Ha! Ha! Ha!
you’re opposing the divine tradition and the 2000 year apostolic tradition of the one true church founded by Christ!
still no answer on
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Finished work of Christ?
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Ha! Ha! Ha!
you’re opposing the divine tradition and the 2000 year apostolic tradition of the one true church founded by Christ!
still no answer on
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Ronald Nolette
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This is a complicated issue which has to do with defining laws. A law is a law when it is established to those who must obey it. Adam and Eve live apart from any law, and sinned against the only law imposed on them negatively- to not eat from the tree. Nakedness is not a sin, for they were naked, sin made it a sin.
Ronald Nolette
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Yes I oppose tradition when it opposes the Word of God and it is not apostolic tradition, for the apostles believed in the finished work and that as soon as we recieve Christ we are saved! It is the romanist impostors who developed you can lose your salvation or have to wait until you are dead.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
See I believe God is really really really smart and knows how to convey information to us simply. If He intended to say it is a future thing He would havce inspired the future tense, but He didn't so to hell with your traditions!
Matthew 15:6
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Tradition is divine revelation and the word of God!
1) Tradition!
Divine tradition:
Apostolic tradition:
Inspired human tradition:
Mere human tradition:
Demonic tradition:
2) Explanation:
Tradition means teaching!
Divine tradition: the personal teaching of Jesus Christ to His church of the apostles!
Apostolic tradition: extension of the divine tradition to all time and places
Universal, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to safeguard the truth and teach all nations!
Inspired human tradition: the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to a man who is not an apostle, but is verified by the apostolic tradition!
Mere human tradition: unaided by God!
Demonic tradition: inspiration of satan!
3) Examples:
Divine tradition: only the personal teaching of Christ to the church of the apostles.
Apostolic tradition: an extension of the divine tradition with the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit to safeguard, defend, and teach the faith revealed by Christ in the unity of the church founded by Christ on Peter, & the apostles!
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you…
Inspired human tradition: the gospel of Luke who was not an apostle.
Mere human tradition: 1st Sunday communion, Sunday school, wed night prayer meeting. Etc.
Demonic tradition: the theory of evolution or the communist manifesto.
4) Scripture:
Tradition in general:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Divine tradition:
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!
Apostolic tradition:
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)
Inspired human tradition:
Luke’s gospel and acts of the apostles.
Mere human tradition:
Not scriptural!
Demonic tradition:
Not scriptural!
5) The nature of the church!
The church does not require scripture to know the truths revealed by God! Jude 1:3, 1 Tim 3:15
Church is eternal! Lk 1:32-33
Christ and His apostolic church are one! Matt 5:14 Jn 15:1 Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 1 Tim 3:15
The holy church is a Perfect society founded by Christ for the salvation of all men!
And to Faithfully transmit and saintly safeguard the deposit of faith!
No one has authority from Christ except His church of the apostles to define and declare truth!
Scripture is the possession of the church!
All of divine revelation is the word of God and thee faith given to the church of the apostles by Christ
to safeguard against all error, and
to faithfully teach all nations!
The doctrine of the “Bible alone” is heresy and is opposed by the scriptures. Matt 16:28-19 Matt 18:18 Jn 29:21-23 Acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
The church is an extension of Christ who taught the truth, and the church is commanded to teach all nations these same truths called the deposit of faith! Matt 28:19 Jude 1:3
All scripture came by tradition!
By divine, apostolic, and inspired human tradition that is verified by the apostolic tradition!
The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter & the apostles received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his church!
The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Or the apostolic tradition! Acts 2:42
All men Must be taught, or instructed, Lk 1:4 acts 8:31 and hear the church Matt 18:17 and the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14 , Jn 15:5, Acts 9:4, Eph 5:32
Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church. Matt 28:19
The holy church does not require scripture to know the truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures, and the apostolic authority verified them, declared what is inspired scripture, and what is not the inspired scripture, as an example the gospel of Thomas is not inspired scripture but the gospel of Matthew is inspired scripture.
The deposit of faith, the entire divine revelation and word of God is given to the church of the apostles by Christ to safeguard against all error!
And to faithfully teach all nations!
Jude 1:3, Matt 28:19
The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his apostles!
The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42
Must hear the church Matt 18:17 the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14
Jn 15:5
Acts 9:4
eph 5:32
Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church Matt 28:19
The church does not require scripture to know truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures.
Scripture is the possession of the church! Used for the needs and purposes in the church!
All new testament Scripture was written by the church!
Divine revelation or the word of God! Handed to His church of the apostles by Christ! Jude 1:3
To safeguard against all error!
To faithfully teach all nations!
Matt 28:19
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
and losing your salvation is demonic tradition! it is the very kind of tradition that jesus condemned with the Jews. The bible is a faairly small book and yet romanist Canon law take's up walls.
Scripture can seem non specific if you just concentrate on one verse. But if you take other verses into account then it becomes much clearer.
As I pointed out God created Adam and Eve naked. There was no fear then being naked in the presence of God.
God talked to Adam whiles he was naked (Gen 2:16-17)
God brought animals and birds to Adam to name while he was naked. (Gen 2:19-20)
God created Eve naked and then it is written "And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed." (Gen 2:25).
It would seem to that God walked with them in the "cool of the day" while they were naked (Gen 3:8)
So how can being naked before God be a moral issue?
As I suggested it seems to have been a problem between them, not between them and God. The fear was because they realised that they had disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit, not because they were naked in God's presence.
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