Forgiveness is to those who keep the commandments of the Lord.

[mailmandan]

Which commandments? The Ten or others must you keep? That is the question.

Also, what do people believe it means to "keep" His commandments? Sinless perfect obedience to all of His commandments? Try our best to obey His commandments? Make an effort to obey His commandments? The Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" - Definition: to watch over, to guard.

Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Which commandments? The Ten or others must you keep? That is the question.

Precious friend, Under God's Amazing GRACE, He Has Made it Quite Simple:

(1) believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

Results: all sins Forgiven, Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!

(2) Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

(3) "Study" HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, for "Approval!"
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)

Eternal Results: reward, ruling, and reigning With CHRIST!

Precious friend(s): Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

 

[Wrangler]

It is conditional upon one thing, otherwise the apostle could not have warned God could remove a branch for not continuing in trust.

Continuing to produce fruit, isn’t it?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Continuing to produce fruit, isn’t it?

Well...yes but you could never produce fruit unless you trusted first. You could do some kindnesses for people just as unbelievers do and we SHOULD be be kind. Any fruit you try to produce in your own power is along the lines of filthy rags because our flesh mars it.. So you have to keep trusting God to make you pleasing to Him. So what we concentrate on is all the ways that seem so little in which we do an end run around trust. And when He shows them to us we struggle with the mistrust that caused us to think they were no big deal. There is no way to fruit producing except through radical trust. So He practices us in that for a long time. We learn the obedience of trust.

 

[amigo de christo]

Maybe because you haven't seen the faces he makes, or heard the tones he uses, you don't think he crazy, but you wouldn't say it's "crazy" to believe gays can't repent? 1 Corinthians 6 is explicit that gays have repented! Don't you think it's "crazy" to believe Christians can literally just go around committing murder and still go to heaven!?

Yeah , my advice is dont listen to that man at all . He is off my friend . I heard him say gays cant repent . Not true .
This is not true . I have seen some repent . If we truly come to Christ we become a new creature . We do repent .
we no longer love the evil things we once did . YES they can repent . to answer your question . This stephen andrew
has much hate in his heart . I could barely watch a video of his church . And yes as usual even a brock clock is right twice a day .
SO he can say some truths , but his heart has anger and hatred in it . I could see it very clear .

 

[Wrangler]

Well...yes but you could never produce fruit unless you trusted first.

Trust is an emotion. The command is not emotion based but productivity based.

There really is no point to side step the fact that we have burden to act a certain way, not merely to feel a certain way to prove our faith, is there? Matthew 7:21.

 

[justbyfaith]

Precious friend, Under God's Amazing GRACE, He Has Made it Quite Simple:

(1) believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

Results: all sins Forgiven, Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!

(2) Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

(3) "Study" HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, for "Approval!"
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)

Eternal Results: reward, ruling, and reigning With CHRIST!

Precious friend(s): Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

Of course, the commandments are the specifics of the love of God (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

 

[amigo de christo]

Well...yes but you could never produce fruit unless you trusted first. You could do some kindnesses for people just as unbelievers do and we SHOULD be be kind. Any fruit you try to produce in your own power is along the lines of filthy rags because our flesh mars it.. So you have to keep trusting God to make you pleasing to Him. So what we concentrate on is all the ways that seem so little in which we do an end run around trust. And when He shows them to us we struggle with the mistrust that caused us to think they were no big deal. There is no way to fruit producing except through radical trust. So He practices us in that for a long time. We learn the obedience of trust.

Yep , that used to be me too . I had rotten fruit , i supported sins and did often sin
and yet i still could do good works like helping the poor and so forth .
The key is , DO we have the SPIRIT . And if we do , the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and truth
proving what is acceptable to GOD , not to the ever changing generation , but to GOD .
JESUS said it , YE shall know them by their fruits . And proverbs says the fruit of the wicked IS TO SIN .
SO what SPIRIT do we have , what SPIRIT DO we follow . For a tree is known by its fruits .
YE must be born again . And if we have the Spirit we would sound like those who did .
And they often warned NOT to SIN . TO not let it be once named . They said if a brother or sister is in sin
to not keep company , to have them sorrow to repentance .
SO how come today , many men and leaders of said churches , NO longer warn out against sin and instead just say
hey we all sinners all is fine . That dont sound a thing like JESUS or them apostels . I know , i know , most folks
think i am a hater . Cause i warn , cause i do seperate from brethren who sin and wont repent .
BUT lets look one more time at paul .
What did he tell the corinthains . FIRST he told them i am writing this too you , as a warning per say , so that
i wont have to use the rod . BUT he does say , And i shall bewail those who have sinned and have not repented of such .
I suggest we all get a heavy fat hours a day reading those bibles all over again under our belts .
THEN , perhaps i would not seem as such a hater or etc to so many . Learn them apostels well , learn JESUS WELL .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Trust is an emotion. The command is not emotion based but productivity based.

There really is no point to side step the fact that we have burden to act a certain way, not merely to feel a certain way to prove our faith, is there? Matthew 7:21.

What, you mean like...we have a burden to worry about the outside of our cup?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Trust is an emotion. The command is not emotion based but productivity based.

There really is no point to side step the fact that we have burden to act a certain way, not merely to feel a certain way to prove our faith, is there? Matthew 7:21.

I would not call trust (faith) an emotion.

 

[Wrangler]

What, you mean like...we have a burden to worry about the outside of our cup?

Worry is another emotion.

 

[Wrangler]

I would not call trust (faith) an emotion.

From https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hot-thought/201810/what-is-trust

Trust is an emotional brain state, not just an expectation of behavior.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

From https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hot-thought/201810/what-is-trust

Trust is an emotional brain state, not just an expectation of behavior.

I dont think of faith as an emotion. I think of it as an obedience we learn by the things we suffer.

 

[Wrangler]

I dont think of faith as an emotion. I think of it as an obedience we learn by the things we suffer.

Well, you changed to faith from trust.

Faith = Belief + Action

Jesus is clearly setting the bar of expectation on action, on doing, in Matthew 7:21, right?

 

[GracePeace]

I dont think of faith as an emotion. I think of it as an obedience we learn by the things we suffer.

No, no, no. You can't disagree. He just quoted a bunch of godless people whose profession suffers from twice the suicide rate as the general population. If ANYONE can speak authoritatively on Biblical issues, it's them! How DARE you answer back to the absolute Gospel of psychology by quoting the Bible?

 

[Wrangler]

No, no, no. You can't disagree. He just quoted a bunch of godless people whose profession suffers from twice the suicide rate as the general population. If ANYONE can speak authoritatively on Biblical issues, it's them! How DARE you answer back to the absolute Gospel of psychology by quoting the Bible?

That trust is an emotion is clear enough. I referenced one source. Here is another, https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/dtingley/files/emotionmanipulationm11.pdf

 

[GracePeace]

That trust is an emotion is clear enough. I referenced one source. Here is another, https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/dtingley/files/emotionmanipulationm11.pdf

Trust is obedience according to the Bible.

 

[Wrangler]

Trust is obedience according to the Bible.

What verse is that?

 

[GracePeace]

What verse is that?

Unsurprising you need to be told

John 3
36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Romans 1
5through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith...

Galatians 5
7You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8This persuasion is not from him who calls you.

 

[Wrangler]

Unsurprising you need to be told

In other words, you got nothing! Jumping from the emotion of trust to belief to obedience. In short, contrary to your claim, trust is not obedience according to the Bible.