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There are problems both with the symbols used in freemasonry and the union of faith which goes against the christian faith. What do you know of the ancient symbols or the path that they teach all religions leading to the one true God?I have looked alot at the masons on the surface it all appears good to the world but the teachings are corrupt for it is not built on truth and men will lose their souls not gain reward and life. For even the jewish covenant would not support such things.Faithful :pray3:
===Masonry uses many methods of instruction. One tool is the use of symbols. There are a number of symbols, in Masonry. Let's examine a couple:The Square. the Square teaches Masons to square our actions, and to practice the highest standards of ethics, morality, and honesty, both in our dealings with brother Masons, and with all mankind.The Compass. The Compass teaches Masons to circumscribe our passions, and to keep them in due bounds. Self-improvement, education, Brotherly love- These tenets are taught in our assemblies. If you find these topics offensive, or the use of symbolism in our teachings to be at variance with your views, then you should leave Masonry alone.
 

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If you are that high up shouldnt you know who is the god of your organization is. where there is smoke there is fire and there are many rumores that allah is the god at the top that is ultimultly worshipped. I remember when I was a kid and my dad would bring homes hats that resembled arab hats. they used in cermonies at shriner or masons.
===I am not high up in Masonry. I am only a member. I currently belong to two lodges, one in Kentucky and one in New York. I am only a member, and not an officer. I am also a member of the Alexandria VA Scottish Rite. I am not an officer in this organization.There is only one God. The great "I AM". Masonry does not create a "god" or worship any other "god". Masonry is not a religion, and therefore does not worship any Deity. Each individual member is thus encouraged to worship, in the manner of his own choosing, and according to the dictates of his own conscience.Do not believe rumors. Although there are Muslims who are Masons, (our organization is non-denominational, and inter-faith), Masonry as an organization does not worship Allah, nor any other Deity.In the Shrine (not a masonic organization, but an organization of men who are Masons), the official headgear is the "fez", which is a red, brimless hat, that was first worn in Turkey. The Shrine has an "arabian nights" theme, but it is NOT an Arabian organization, nor is it Islamic.
 

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I have read reports of people much higher than you who have left the Masons because they discovered that at the highest levels they were sworn to lie to other Masons and to use them to achieve the goals of the inner circle. They are sworn to secrecy of course, and you world never know if you were being used or lied to. I have also read about the ceremony in which a Christian took part which was a black mass. It was also at the highest levels. Outwardly, Masons are supposed to be neutral toward religion, but the person who was being sworn in said that he had taken part in many such ceremonies before and it had never occurred to him the significance of some of the symbols, until he had them said over himself as he was advancing to this very high level.The fact that Masons are sworn to secrecy and to lie would be reason enough to avoid them. How can we even believe what we would be told by a Mason, you included?I wish that I still had the article. If I find it I will post it. I know that the ceremony took place in Washington at a secret location and that it was palatial.I read a book awhile ago about the building of London. Many of the architects including Christopher Wren were Masons. They built into the city lots of mystical symbols related to Egypt. They had the proportions down to duplicate the Great Pyramid of Giza for example. Much of it was traced back to the Crusades and the Knights Templar. It seems that some of the Templars escaped the persecution and fled to Scotland. This is where many of the secrets and the Scottish rite came from. The Templars took their guidance from the architect of the Temple in Jerusalem. It is said that they found secrets there when they were in the Holy Land, some too terrible to share. Add to this the notion that existed in the UK up until the 20th century that Britons believe that they were genealogically related to the lost tribes of Israel plus the belief that St. Paul visited the isle, then you can see the reason why this was fertile ground for the Free Masons.It was fascinating reading, but what was disconcerting was the way that they built this into the reconstruction of London. Even King James was in on it and is said to be a Mason. A lot of the buildings contained Satanic symbols related to Egypt which has a very dark and demonic religion. How the occult came to be mixed with Christianity is a shame and I fear that the Masons are directly involved.I have also read that the Jack the Ripper killings were the work of Masons. The story comes from a reporter at the time. He published his stories, but was he lost his job and faded into obscurity, supposedly due to the pressure put upon the paper in question.His story is that the heir to the thrown was bisexual and he frequented brothels in the east end of London. The women who were murdered were supposedly blackmailing the royal family. The murders were ritualistic which is what drew the reporter to the connection with the Masons. There was much symbolism that was Masonic. The doctor to the royals and the head of Scotland Yard at the time were both high order Free Masons. They were the ones who the reporter attributed the crimes to. They wanted to not only end the threat but to do it in such a way that it would horrify the public, distracting them from the growing scandal. In this it succeeded. After the last woman was killed the ritual murders stopped.If true, Masonry has a black history, indeed.Blessings,Dunamite
 

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This is not the exact same article but it is similar, found at:http://www.delusionresistance.org/christian/jim_shaw.html Dear Friend, Membership in the Masonic Lodge has in many cases become a family tradition, with young men often joining because their fathers and grandfathers belong. Because of their admiration for certain friends or relatives, these men join the Lodge without hesitation, certain that the Order is based on noble aspirations. This was the case with me. From the time I was a little boy, my mother encouraged me to become a Mason some day like my uncle whom she greatly admired. Her impression of Freemasonry was that of a club where good men met to plan on helping those in need. When I grew up, I married a fine woman who was a member of the Eastern Star and whose father was a Mason. Although her father would never talk to me about the Lodge, I was nevertheless proud of him. Surrounded by people I loved who were Masons, I finally decided to join the lodge myself. Upon applying for membership in Indianapolis, I received a letter from the Lodge within two weeks telling me I had been accepted. I was instructed to be present at the Lodge at 6:30 p.m. on a particular day to receive my first degree. When the time came, I went to the Lodge and paid my dues for the first, three degrees after which I was told to follow a man who they said was the Senior Steward. He took me to the Preparation Room where he told me to remove my clothes and put on a pair of white pants (like pajama pants) and a white jacket. Before long, a man referred to as the Junior Deacon came in and told me to follow him. He took me to a door and put a blindfold on me. He also rolled up the left leg of my pants and turned back the collar of my shirt exposing my left breast. Being hoodwinked, I could not see, but I could sure feel! Something hit my left breast (it hurt). A man's voice said, "Jim Shaw, you are received into this Lodge on the sharp points of the compass, which (and he jabbed me again) is to teach you never to reveal any of the secrets of an Eternal Apprentice Mason to anyone unless he be a Brother Mason. I had come to the Lodge that evening expecting merely to be told what a Mason was supposed to do. However, by the end of the ceremony I had become disgusted. With it was over, my friend told me it was something that all Masons had to endure; so I put it out of my mind. After one year I was appointed Senior Deacon. This was a big jump for me as I had bypassed three chairs. I had told the Worshipful Master that I did not want to be a 'chair warmer' but wanted to be of service to the Lodge and go through all the chairs. I also joined the Scottish Rite, and had become Prelate in the Lodge of Perfection, studying for Master of the 4th degree. About this time I received word from an old Army friend encouraging my wife and I to move to Florida where he was living. I didn't want to leave my job with the Post Office, but my friend told me he could get me a Civil Service job in Florida. My wife loved the idea of living there. So between the two of them begging me, I finally agreed to make the move. My Lodge membership was transferred from Indianapolis (which belonged to the Northern Jurisdiction) to my new Lodge in Florida (which belonged to the Southern Jurisdiction). Although the Ritual between the two jurisdictions varies somewhat, I found that the essence of the Lodges was still the same. The Lodge in Florida was in need of good officers' and I soon progressed to the position of Worshipful Master. I had to be elected to this particular office, but that was no problem. I worked with Lodge members in my Civil Service job, and there were numerous officers of the Scottish Rite who were also City Officials. In fact, I had a part in the initiation of the Mayor of the city. It was in the Skull lecture I gave in the 30th degree. He paid close attention. Soon I had served in many chairs and was given the Degree of K.C.C.H (Knight Commander of the Court of Honor). I had this degree for four years when I, quite literally, entered the darkest period of my life. My sight began to deteriorate rapidly as I was developing a cataract on my left eye. A friend of my wife recommended I visit an ophthalmologist who said she was very good. I took her advice. After examining my eyes the ophthalmologist informed me that I had to have an operation on one eye and possibly on the other eye as well at a later time. He told me he had to see me every day for a week before he could operate because of an infection in my eyelid which had to be treated. During these visits he began to share with me about Jesus Christ and even read some verses to me out of the Bible. Although I knew of many ministers and preachers who were Masons, particularly those affiliated with the National Council of Churches, I had been trained by my family to stay away from churches. My stepfather said they were full of hypocrites and no one in his house was ever go go to church. And here I was. with a doctor who was working on my eyes trying to read the Bible to me. On my job I began speaking with a few people who I knew to be Christians, and they also told me about Jesus. One went so far as telling me that no Christian should ever be a Mason. In the meantime, the doctor continued to share with me while he was working on my eyes. I tried not to listen, but deep inside I knew he was right. Just one day after I had returned to work following my operation, I received a letter from The House of the Temple in Washington, D.C. I had been chosen to receive the 33rd degree and was to report to Washington in one week to accept the honor. Two men from the Scottish Rite who were 33rd degree masons decided to go along with me to share in my time of joy. I remember being impressed by the size and beauty of The House of the Temple. It was at least four timea as large as our Scottish Rite Temple. After I had received the 33rd degree along with my white hat and ring, we all had a big feast and drank wine. It was all so much fun. Yet throughout this time I kept thinking about the passages the doctor had read to me from the Bible. Soon after returning home I received a call from the Secretary of the Scottish Rite telling me to prepare for the upcoming Maundy Thursday services prior to Easter. I can tell you that the Lodges always make a mockery of Christian Holy Days. Now I was Master of all degree work and had to conduct the service. In the meantime my wife and I had begun attending church with the ophthalmologist. He was still helping me understand the Bible and did not like the idea of me being a Mason. He told me he didn't think I understood just how evil the Lodge really was, and he urged me to read thoughtfully the books of John and Galatians. I studied these books and was on the verge of accepting Christ. But to become fully convinced I had yet to go through the Maundy Thursday ritual itself. We were all in our places for the Maunday Thursday Rose Croix service to begin, each of us dressed in black robes. I stood and clapped my hands three times, and everyone rose to their feet. I began to speak, "My brothers, we meet this day to commemorate the death of our most wise and perfect Master - NOT as inspired or divine, but as at least the greatest of humanity." At that point I had to stop for a moment to think about what I had just said. I was denying the fact that Christ was inspired or divine, saying he was merely a human master no greater than Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius or other religious figures. I felt a tear run down my face, but I had to go on. I walked out to the menorah and lit the candle. The next speaker said his part and lit a candle on the menorah. All spoke and lit candles. I was feeling sad and bewildered, wondering I could go on; but I did. We had the Black Mass, drinking wind from a skull and eating a piece of bread, passing it around the table saying to each man, "take, drink, and give to the thirsty. Take, eat, and give to the hungry." Then we all went back to our stations. As I got up, my knees were shaking. I knew what fear was, and I had never felt anything like this since being shot at in the Army. I stood and began to recite the closing words. "We now close this commemoration of the death of our master. MOURN!! LAMENT!! CRY ALOUD!! HE IS GONE!! NEVER TO RETURN!! MOURN!! LAMENT!!" The candles were extinguished one at a time. I closed the ceremony by saying, "it is over, we must depart." I hurried to the disrobing room and got out of the black robe and into my street clothes. Some men came around and asked me if I was sick. I just said, "yes, I've got to go!" The very next day I wrote letters to the Blue Lodge, the Shrine and the Scottish Rite saying that I had attended my last meeting. I was a Christian now and would not be back. That was 25 years ago. I have never regretted my decision. During my 19 years as a Mason, I witnessed and participated in numerous disturbing events, but the single most important reason causing me to leave was the fact that Jesus Christ was not the one being worshipped. Many gods in the Scottish Rite are revered and many religions taught, but never is the Blessed Name of Jesus Christ allowed. One is not even allowed to close a prayer in the name of Jesus, but instead must use a vague reference to God, which could mean anyone or anything. Teaching of the Kabbalah, Zend Avesta, and the Gnostics are used along with astrology and the doctrines of ancient false gods such as Osiris, Semiramis, Isis and Krishna. The Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are also given reference as deities. But whenever Christ was mentioned, it was only in the form of a mockery. For these reasons I left the Masonic Order. If you are currently a Mason, I urge you from the bottom of my heart to do likewise. It is the only right thing to do. In Christian Love Jim Shaw.
 

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I have read reports of people much higher than you who have left the Masons because they discovered that at the highest levels they were sworn to lie to other Masons and to use them to achieve the goals of the inner circle. ***This assertion is bogus. The goals and objectives of Freemasonry, are published in books and on the internet. There is no "secret agenda". Each of the Grand Lodges in the 50 states is autonomous, there is no national Grand Lodge.They are sworn to secrecy of course, and you world never know if you were being used or lied to. I have also read about the ceremony in which a Christian took part which was a black mass. It was also at the highest levels. ***Again, bogus. Masons are enjoined to practice the highest standards of brotherly love and truth. Masons meet "on the level", and we are required to be honest and square-dealing with all mankind, most especially brother Masons.There are no "black masses" in Masonry. That is absurd. I have been a Mason for 25 years, and I have visited lodges in 11 states, Washington DC, and three foreign countries. I am visiting a lodge in Fort Wayne Indiana tonight. There will be no satanic services, only a group of men, working towards charity and self-improvement.Outwardly, Masons are supposed to be neutral toward religion, but the person who was being sworn in said that he had taken part in many such ceremonies before and it had never occurred to him the significance of some of the symbols, until he had them said over himself as he was advancing to this very high level.***Masons are NOT to be neutral towards religion. Masonry is NOT a religion in itself, but nevertheless, masonry serves often to enhance and improve the individual Mason's religious experience and beliefs. Masons are enjoined to seek an individual religious experience, and to practice the faith of their own choosing, according to the dictates of their individual conscience. NO atheist can be made a Mason.The symbolism of Masonry is exactly that. There are certain symbols, that are used in ethical and moral instruction. All of these symbols are harmless, and none are religious. For example, the beehive is used to teach teamwork and industry.The fact that Masons are sworn to secrecy and to lie would be reason enough to avoid them. How can we even believe what we would be told by a Mason, you included?***Masons are required to keep the secrets of Masonry, this is true. Masons are NOT required to lie; quite the opposite. Masons are required to practice brotherly love, relief, and truth. Honesty, ethical and moral conduct, truth; these are the cornerstones of our lives. Masonry makes no effort to intercede between God and man. Masonry's sole concern is the relationship between man and his fellow man.You are free to believe what I tell you on this board. You are free to believe (or not believe), what you read on masonic websites, and in masonic books. This is left to your own discernment. As for myself, I have been telling the truth about Masonry for so long, that it has become a habit. I have no reason to lie.I wish that I still had the article. If I find it I will post it. I know that the ceremony took place in Washington at a secret location and that it was palatial.***I live in the Washington DC metro area. (I work in Iraq now). I have visited many different masonic buildings and masonic halls and museums and libraries in the area. There are no secret masonic locations anywhere in the DC area. All of the masonic structures are clearly marked, and easy to locate.I read a book awhile ago about the building of London. Many of the architects including Christopher Wren were Masons. They built into the city lots of mystical symbols related to Egypt. They had the proportions down to duplicate the Great Pyramid of Giza for example. Much of it was traced back to the Crusades and the Knights Templar. It seems that some of the Templars escaped the persecution and fled to Scotland. This is where many of the secrets and the Scottish rite came from. ***Not so. True many architects are masons. Some of the public buildings and cathedrals in London have a masonic influence, and some of the architectural themes can be traced back to Egypt. The Scottish Rite of Masonry (I am a member) started in France, where many masons from Scotland had fled due to persecution. The Templars took their guidance from the architect of the Temple in Jerusalem. It is said that they found secrets there when they were in the Holy Land, some too terrible to share. Add to this the notion that existed in the UK up until the 20th century that Britons believe that they were genealogically related to the lost tribes of Israel plus the belief that St. Paul visited the isle, then you can see the reason why this was fertile ground for the Free Masons.It was fascinating reading, but what was disconcerting was the way that they built this into the reconstruction of London. Even King James was in on it and is said to be a Mason. *** King James was not a Mason. A lot of the buildings contained Satanic symbols related to Egypt which has a very dark and demonic religion. How the occult came to be mixed with Christianity is a shame and I fear that the Masons are directly involved.***The occult is not mixed into Christianity. The Masons are not involved in any such conspiracy. Modern Freemasonry started in London, in 1717, when four lodges joined together to start the Grand Lodge of England.I have also read that the Jack the Ripper killings were the work of Masons. ***Totally bogus. See the film "From Hell". This conspiracy theory is totally off the wall. BTW- I thoroughly enjoyed the film. It has a performance of the first degree (Entered Apprentice), that is spot-on authentic. The story comes from a reporter at the time. He published his stories, but was he lost his job and faded into obscurity, supposedly due to the pressure put upon the paper in question.His story is that the heir to the thrown was bisexual and he frequented brothels in the east end of London. The women who were murdered were supposedly blackmailing the royal family. The murders were ritualistic which is what drew the reporter to the connection with the Masons. There was much symbolism that was Masonic. The doctor to the royals and the head of Scotland Yard at the time were both high order Free Masons. They were the ones who the reporter attributed the crimes to. They wanted to not only end the threat but to do it in such a way that it would horrify the public, distracting them from the growing scandal. In this it succeeded. After the last woman was killed the ritual murders stopped.If true, Masonry has a black history, indeed.***Well my friend, it is NOT true. Masonry has a splendid history. Check outwww.masonicinfo.com for more our history.Blessings,Dunamite
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This is not the exact same article but it is similar, found at:http://www.delusionresistance.org/christian/jim_shaw.html Dear Friend, Membership in the Masonic Lodge has in many cases become a family tradition, with young men often joining because their fathers and grandfathers belong. Because of their admiration for certain friends or relatives, these men join the Lodge without hesitation, certain that the Order is based on noble aspirations. This was the case with me. From the time I was a little boy, my mother encouraged me to become a Mason some day like my uncle whom she greatly admired. Her impression of Freemasonry was that of a club where good men met to plan on helping those in need. When I grew up, I married a fine woman who was a member of the Eastern Star and whose father was a Mason. Although her father would never talk to me about the Lodge, I was nevertheless proud of him. Surrounded by people I loved who were Masons, I finally decided to join the lodge myself. Upon applying for membership in Indianapolis, I received a letter from the Lodge within two weeks telling me I had been accepted. I was instructed to be present at the Lodge at 6:30 p.m. on a particular day to receive my first degree. When the time came, I went to the Lodge and paid my dues for the first, three degrees after which I was told to follow a man who they said was the Senior Steward. He took me to the Preparation Room where he told me to remove my clothes and put on a pair of white pants (like pajama pants) and a white jacket. Before long, a man referred to as the Junior Deacon came in and told me to follow him. He took me to a door and put a blindfold on me. He also rolled up the left leg of my pants and turned back the collar of my shirt exposing my left breast. Being hoodwinked, I could not see, but I could sure feel! Something hit my left breast (it hurt). A man's voice said, "Jim Shaw, you are received into this Lodge on the sharp points of the compass, which (and he jabbed me again) is to teach you never to reveal any of the secrets of an Eternal Apprentice Mason to anyone unless he be a Brother Mason. I had come to the Lodge that evening expecting merely to be told what a Mason was supposed to do. However, by the end of the ceremony I had become disgusted. With it was over, my friend told me it was something that all Masons had to endure; so I put it out of my mind. After one year I was appointed Senior Deacon. This was a big jump for me as I had bypassed three chairs. I had told the Worshipful Master that I did not want to be a 'chair warmer' but wanted to be of service to the Lodge and go through all the chairs. I also joined the Scottish Rite, and had become Prelate in the Lodge of Perfection, studying for Master of the 4th degree. About this time I received word from an old Army friend encouraging my wife and I to move to Florida where he was living. I didn't want to leave my job with the Post Office, but my friend told me he could get me a Civil Service job in Florida. My wife loved the idea of living there. So between the two of them begging me, I finally agreed to make the move. My Lodge membership was transferred from Indianapolis (which belonged to the Northern Jurisdiction) to my new Lodge in Florida (which belonged to the Southern Jurisdiction). Although the Ritual between the two jurisdictions varies somewhat, I found that the essence of the Lodges was still the same. The Lodge in Florida was in need of good officers' and I soon progressed to the position of Worshipful Master. I had to be elected to this particular office, but that was no problem. I worked with Lodge members in my Civil Service job, and there were numerous officers of the Scottish Rite who were also City Officials. In fact, I had a part in the initiation of the Mayor of the city. It was in the Skull lecture I gave in the 30th degree. He paid close attention. Soon I had served in many chairs and was given the Degree of K.C.C.H (Knight Commander of the Court of Honor). I had this degree for four years when I, quite literally, entered the darkest period of my life. My sight began to deteriorate rapidly as I was developing a cataract on my left eye. A friend of my wife recommended I visit an ophthalmologist who said she was very good. I took her advice. After examining my eyes the ophthalmologist informed me that I had to have an operation on one eye and possibly on the other eye as well at a later time. He told me he had to see me every day for a week before he could operate because of an infection in my eyelid which had to be treated. During these visits he began to share with me about Jesus Christ and even read some verses to me out of the Bible. Although I knew of many ministers and preachers who were Masons, particularly those affiliated with the National Council of Churches, I had been trained by my family to stay away from churches. My stepfather said they were full of hypocrites and no one in his house was ever go go to church. And here I was. with a doctor who was working on my eyes trying to read the Bible to me. On my job I began speaking with a few people who I knew to be Christians, and they also told me about Jesus. One went so far as telling me that no Christian should ever be a Mason. In the meantime, the doctor continued to share with me while he was working on my eyes. I tried not to listen, but deep inside I knew he was right. Just one day after I had returned to work following my operation, I received a letter from The House of the Temple in Washington, D.C. I had been chosen to receive the 33rd degree and was to report to Washington in one week to accept the honor. Two men from the Scottish Rite who were 33rd degree masons decided to go along with me to share in my time of joy. I remember being impressed by the size and beauty of The House of the Temple. It was at least four timea as large as our Scottish Rite Temple. After I had received the 33rd degree along with my white hat and ring, we all had a big feast and drank wine. It was all so much fun. Yet throughout this time I kept thinking about the passages the doctor had read to me from the Bible. Soon after returning home I received a call from the Secretary of the Scottish Rite telling me to prepare for the upcoming Maundy Thursday services prior to Easter. I can tell you that the Lodges always make a mockery of Christian Holy Days. Now I was Master of all degree work and had to conduct the service. In the meantime my wife and I had begun attending church with the ophthalmologist. He was still helping me understand the Bible and did not like the idea of me being a Mason. He told me he didn't think I understood just how evil the Lodge really was, and he urged me to read thoughtfully the books of John and Galatians. I studied these books and was on the verge of accepting Christ. But to become fully convinced I had yet to go through the Maundy Thursday ritual itself. We were all in our places for the Maunday Thursday Rose Croix service to begin, each of us dressed in black robes. I stood and clapped my hands three times, and everyone rose to their feet. I began to speak, "My brothers, we meet this day to commemorate the death of our most wise and perfect Master - NOT as inspired or divine, but as at least the greatest of humanity." At that point I had to stop for a moment to think about what I had just said. I was denying the fact that Christ was inspired or divine, saying he was merely a human master no greater than Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius or other religious figures. I felt a tear run down my face, but I had to go on. I walked out to the menorah and lit the candle. The next speaker said his part and lit a candle on the menorah. All spoke and lit candles. I was feeling sad and bewildered, wondering I could go on; but I did. We had the Black Mass, drinking wind from a skull and eating a piece of bread, passing it around the table saying to each man, "take, drink, and give to the thirsty. Take, eat, and give to the hungry." Then we all went back to our stations. As I got up, my knees were shaking. I knew what fear was, and I had never felt anything like this since being shot at in the Army. I stood and began to recite the closing words. "We now close this commemoration of the death of our master. MOURN!! LAMENT!! CRY ALOUD!! HE IS GONE!! NEVER TO RETURN!! MOURN!! LAMENT!!" The candles were extinguished one at a time. I closed the ceremony by saying, "it is over, we must depart." I hurried to the disrobing room and got out of the black robe and into my street clothes. Some men came around and asked me if I was sick. I just said, "yes, I've got to go!" The very next day I wrote letters to the Blue Lodge, the Shrine and the Scottish Rite saying that I had attended my last meeting. I was a Christian now and would not be back. That was 25 years ago. I have never regretted my decision. During my 19 years as a Mason, I witnessed and participated in numerous disturbing events, but the single most important reason causing me to leave was the fact that Jesus Christ was not the one being worshipped. Many gods in the Scottish Rite are revered and many religions taught, but never is the Blessed Name of Jesus Christ allowed. One is not even allowed to close a prayer in the name of Jesus, but instead must use a vague reference to God, which could mean anyone or anything. Teaching of the Kabbalah, Zend Avesta, and the Gnostics are used along with astrology and the doctrines of ancient false gods such as Osiris, Semiramis, Isis and Krishna. The Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are also given reference as deities. But whenever Christ was mentioned, it was only in the form of a mockery. For these reasons I left the Masonic Order. If you are currently a Mason, I urge you from the bottom of my heart to do likewise. It is the only right thing to do. In Christian Love Jim Shaw.
==========================================This letter was posted by Jim Shaw. Mr. Shaw was never made a KCCH Mason, and his entire masonic experience is totally fabricated. Check out this link:http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/SRpublicatio...os-chapter5.htm
 

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Am not sure what all is true and what is myth about Freemasons. aaaaa***This is a difficult task for anyone. There are a number of myths and falsehoods floating around about this organization. Winnowing out the truth, is a daunting task. This is why Masonry invites examination, and close inspection by the public. Everything we do, everything we stand for, is broadcast out to the public in books and on the internet. You can contact any Masonic lodge, or the Grand Lodges of the 50 states, and they will gladly explain to you everything that is done in Masonry.A good place to start:http://www.masonic-renewal.org/freemasonry_explained.htmAt least partially that is because it is a secret society. ***NOT true! Masonry is not a secret society. Masonic buildings are clearly marked. Masonic lodges have websites. Individual masons wear rings, belt buckles, baseball caps, tie-tacks, etc. I introduced legislation to get Masonic vehicle license plates in Kentucky. Masonry makes no effort to conceal or hide its existence, quite the opposite, Masonry keeps its existence out in public!It does seem that a common theme of everything said about them in regards to religion or faith (whether God centered or not), even from themselves, suggest a promotion of the idea in Freemasonry that all religions are equal. ***NOT True! Masonry, being a secular man-made organization, makes no stand at all with respect to religion. Masons are enjoined to practice their individual religion, according to the dictates of their individual conscience. A man MUST believe in God, prior to petitioning for Freemasonry. NO atheist can be made a mason. Masonry has never taken a stand, that Religions are equal. Masonry does teach that all MEN are equals.The Christian can neither accept that as being true or by belonging to such an organization promote that idea to others.***This statement is meaningless. Masonry is not a religion, and therefore does not conflict with the theology nor practice of any religion. In the USA, most Masons are Christians. The idea of a united brotherhood for the good of all men is noble. But if that means compromising what is true, the end does not justify the means. ***Masonry makes no compromise with Truth. Masons are required to practice the highest standards of truth, rectitude of conduct, and moral uprightness. No religion claims a monopoly on these virtues. I believe that you are starting to see the light about Masonry. A united brotherhood, for the good of mankind, is truly a noble objective. So even if we take what seems to be the worst things being said about it (and if true certainly justifies condemnation from all) and ignore all that to look at the Freemasons in the best possible light, that is uniting men, it is still wrong.***There are horrible, scurrilous lies being promulgated about Masonry. A Christian (or anyone) should not believe these lies. Freemasonry is an organization that teaches the Brotherhood of Man, and the Fatherhood of God. Charity, forebearance, tolerance of differing views, Freedom of conscience, Personal ethics, morality, Philanthropy, relief to the poor, the sick, the widow, and the orphan- These are the cornerstones of the Gentle Craft. If anyone finds these precepts and practices to be outside of the bounds of his conscience, then he should leave Freemasonry alone.
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Am not sure what all is true and what is myth about Freemasons. ***This is a difficult task for anyone. There are a number of myths and falsehoods floating around about this organization. Winnowing out the truth, is a daunting task. This is why Masonry invites examination, and close inspection by the public. Everything we do, everything we stand for, is broadcast out to the public in books and on the internet. You can contact any Masonic lodge, or the Grand Lodges of the 50 states, and they will gladly explain to you everything that is done in Masonry.A good place to start:http://www.masonic-renewal.org/freemasonry_explained.htmAt least partially that is because it is a secret society. ***NOT true! Masonry is not a secret society. Masonic buildings are clearly marked. Masonic lodges have websites. Individual masons wear rings, belt buckles, baseball caps, tie-tacks, etc. I introduced legislation to get Masonic vehicle license plates in Kentucky. Masonry makes no effort to conceal or hide its existence, quite the opposite, Masonry keeps its existence out in public!It does seem that a common theme of everything said about them in regards to religion or faith (whether God centered or not), even from themselves, suggest a promotion of the idea in Freemasonry that all religions are equal. ***NOT True! Masonry, being a secular man-made organization, makes no stand at all with respect to religion. Masons are enjoined to practice their individual religion, according to the dictates of their individual conscience. A man MUST believe in God, prior to petitioning for Freemasonry. NO atheist can be made a mason. Masonry has never taken a stand, that Religions are equal. Masonry does teach that all MEN are equals.The Christian can neither accept that as being true or by belonging to such an organization promote that idea to others.***This statement is meaningless. Masonry is not a religion, and therefore does not conflict with the theology nor practice of any religion. In the USA, most Masons are Christians. The idea of a united brotherhood for the good of all men is noble. But if that means compromising what is true, the end does not justify the means. ***Masonry makes no compromise with Truth. Masons are required to practice the highest standards of truth, rectitude of conduct, and moral uprightness. No religion claims a monopoly on these virtues. I believe that you are starting to see the light about Masonry. A united brotherhood, for the good of mankind, is truly a noble objective. So even if we take what seems to be the worst things being said about it (and if true certainly justifies condemnation from all) and ignore all that to look at the Freemasons in the best possible light, that is uniting men, it is still wrong.***There are horrible, scurrilous lies being promulgated about Masonry. A Christian (or anyone) should not believe these lies. Freemasonry is an organization that teaches the Brotherhood of Man, and the Fatherhood of God. Charity, forebearance, tolerance of differing views, Freedom of conscience, Personal ethics, morality, Philanthropy, relief to the poor, the sick, the widow, and the orphan- These are the cornerstones of the Gentle Craft. If anyone finds these precepts and practices to be outside of the bounds of his conscience, then he should leave Freemasonry alone.
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I personally don't see too much wrong with the masons.The only huge problem they have is making the masons a secret society. Because when you make something into a secret society imaginations get out of control. I don't agree wth thier religous viewpoint, christianity services shouldn't mix with other religous ceremonies. To me that would be the same as worshipping another God,There is nothing wrong with christians becoming associated with people of other religons, but when you start practicing your religon in the same cerimony with them I see a problem with it.So as a christian I would not join the masons So Yes I see Masonry as flawed , but We are blowing it way out of porportionyour brother in christRyan Fitz
 

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I personally don't see too much wrong with the masons.***I am glad to see this response. I feel that if most people would give Masonry half a chance, they would see that is totally harmless, and no threat to Christianity, nor any other religion.The only huge problem they have is making the masons a secret society. Because when you make something into a secret society imaginations get out of control.***I agree. That is why masonry is NOT a secret society. Nothing in Masonry is secret, and members openly display jewelry, etc. to advertise their memberships. The only secrets in Masonry, are the modes of recognition (handshakes, passwords,etc.) and even these have been published in books for several hundred years. I don't agree wth thier religous viewpoint, christianity services shouldn't mix with other religous ceremonies. ***Masonry, being a non-sectarian, and secular organization, makes no statement with respect to religion, and has no religious viewpoint. Such a viewpoint does not exist. Masonry has NO religious ceremonies. In masonic meetings, there are lessons, and instructional dramas, but no religious ceremonies of any kind. There is nothing in the instructional dramas that is offensive to Christianity.To me that would be the same as worshipping another God,There is nothing wrong with christians becoming associated with people of other religons, but when you start practicing your religon in the same cerimony with them I see a problem with it.So as a christian I would not join the masons.***NO worship of any kind is ever conducted in a Masonic lodge. There is only one God, the great "I AM". True, there is nothing wrong with associating with men of other religious backgrounds. All men of good will, can find common cause, in charitable and philanthropic activities. No religion has a monopoly on service to our fellow man. If associating with good men, of many different backgrounds, and helping charities, like crippled children's hospitals is offensive to you, then you should leave Freemasonry alone.If providing college scholarships to deserving students is offensive to you, then stay away from Masonry.If supporting medical research into Atherosclerosis, Schizophrenia, Diabetes, heart disease, and a host of other diseases is disgusting to you, then leave Masonry alone.If supporting a network of 100 speech/hearing/language disorder clinics, where thousands of children are treated for free is mortifying to you, then by all means, do not let your shadow touch a mason.If running a national system of free burns clinics for burned children is a problem, then stay away from MasonryIf supporting a national system of free surgeries for children with cleft lip and palate is a sin for you, then do not go near Masonry.If running a national network of Masonic widow's homes, where widow can live their lives in dignity is horrible to you, then by all means leave Masonry alone.If supporting a national network of youth groups (Order of the Rainbow, Job's Daughters, Order of the DeMolay), where young men and young ladies, can meet in wholesome, family-centered activities, and be given alternatives to drug use, and hanging out on the streets is offensive to you, then let the Masons alone.If an organization that practices the highest standards of morality, and relief to the poor, the sick, the widow, and the orphan is such a sin to you, then by all means walk away and never go near Masonry. So Yes I see Masonry as flawed , but We are blowing it way out of porportionyour brother in christRyan Fitz
Masonry is a human institution, and has flaws. If Christians would examine the organization, and its charities, I feel they would find a lot to admire.
 

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upon reviewing what you said in earlier post I was mistaken.I thought you said there was a non denominational serviceinstead all it was is a prayer.( prayer and service how in the heck do I get those confused
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)I still disagree with it as the christians, the muslims, the budhist, and every other religon has a different God. and the "great I Am" sounds like a combination of all those gods.and the only God I will ever pray to is the one I know is real.there is no compromise when it comes to two seperate religons. correct me if I'm wrong about " I am"your brother in christ
 

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Every Mason is required to believe in God, prior to petitioning (applying) for membership in the fraternity. If a mason later turns atheist, then he is expelled from the fraternity. This is a policy, similar to the Boy Scouts, which has been taken through the court system.At the opening and closing of each lodge meeting, there is a simple non-denominational prayer. Each individual is encouraged to seek God in his own way, silently, reverently, and personally. The individual religion of the individual mason, is a matter of extreme privacy. No religion is held to be superior, and none is held inferior. Masonry, being a secular organization, stays out of all religious discussion. This is to ensure that peace and harmony prevail in the lodge assembly.The great "I AM", is a description of God, often found in the Old Testament. There are many descriptions of God in the English language: such as Deity, the Creator, Father God, "Abba" (See the Gospel of Matthew), Jehovah, etc. Since Masonry is open to the Jew, the Muslim, the Christian, the Unitarian, the Mormon, and all men who believe in God; the individual name ascribed by the individual mason, is again, a matter of extreme privacy.
 

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so let me get this straight you tell seperate prayers to your seperate Gods, and don't say the prayers out loud.and " I AM" is the title you use because it is the title of God all religons(I in the masons) haveThanks for explainingyour brother in christ.Ryan Fitz
 

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so let me get this straight you tell seperate prayers to your seperate Gods, and don't say the prayers out loud.and " I AM" is the title you use because it is the title of God all religons(I in the masons) haveThanks for explainingyour brother in christ.Ryan Fitz
***Not exactly. Upon the opening and closing of lodge meetings, a simple non-denominational prayer is offered. Just like when the US Congress or the Supreme court is opened. Each individual Mason may then approach God, individually; according to the dictates of his own conscience. The Jewish person, the Christian, the Unitarian, etc. offers his own prayer, in his own mind. Silently and reverently.Masonry uses no specific title for God, because Masonry is NOT a religion. The different (monotheistic) religions of this world have assigned many different names for God. Masonry stays (wisely) out of this debate.
 

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Cemab4y,Am confused, in a post response to me you claimed Freemasonry is not a secret society, yet to another post you claimed it is true that Masons are required to make a vow to keep secret certain Masonic secrets. If there are secrets to be kept, then in some sense it is a secret society and hence the mystique and myths that I refered to. How can it be both not a secret society and require members to keep society secrets?Furthermore, the point I made originally still stands. According to you a Mason believes (you said holds) that no religion is superior or inferior. That is just another way of saying all religions are equal. Granted you caveat that with a requirement to belivie in God, that athiest cannot be members of a Masonic lodge. But if that caveat includes say, Hindus, Buddist and Mormons, then we are not at all sure what is really meant when a Mason says "I believe in God". I believe in God could mean anything from gods, god is everything, or I am God.The non-demonational prayer is meant as a public acknowledgement and proof of that consent (that all religions, all faiths are equal). So as a Christian, knowing the Truth of The Way, we would have to believe that path to God superior to any other. Afterall it was God Himself that gave us The Way. So how can we also say in taking a vow to such an organization as this or stand publically with fellow "brothers" and thereby be implicitly understood by our consent/presence/standing to profess something as true which we know to be false?
 

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And with that Drbubbalove has put it in a nutshell what is wrong it is one worldism which is Satans religion and its not allowed on this site any more free Mason threads will be deleted
 
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