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freewill is bogus

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by DPMartin, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. bbyrd009

    bbyrd009 Groper

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    the two are likely =
     
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    DPMartin Active Member

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    intellectual prowess isn't required, faith is required which includes morons, and moron is a relative word in this case. a man isn't a fool because he's in the dark, he is a fool because he doesn't acknowledge the Light. and the faithful don't have issues in that area, usually its the intellectuals that have the difficulty acknowledging the Light of God.
     
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    Hi aspen,

    James 5:16 says we can confess our sins to each other. John 20 gave the power to forgive sins to the apostles and logically by apostolic succession it was given to other men. Neither say anything about being approached by Christ first.

    Are you sure we have to confess our sins to Christ? Scripture seems to say otherwise.

    What is the tree of life?

    Curious Mary
     
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    Really? Faith is required? Faith in what?

    Curious Mary
     
  5. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    1. Yes. Christians can confess their sins to each other and forgive the sins of others because of Christ within them. If you could do this before Christ ‘knocks at the door’ we could save ourselves.

    2. The Tree of Life was in the Garden and the way was blocked from fallen humanity - we cannot approach it - Christ must approach us first.
     
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    please read some of the postings to get the gest of the conversation. if you don't know then you're ignorant of the subject at hand.
     
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    Why would the Good Samaritan have done what he did, sans knowing Jesus, in that case? And certainly would not have been interested in knowing Him, had the priest crossed the road to tell him?
     
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    "behold, I stand at the door and knock."
     
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    Hi aspen,

    I don't understand the "Christ must approach us first" theory. Christ is available at all times and always. Just like His father.

    How does Christ approach us?

    IHS...Mary
     
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    there is nothing special about the Samaritan helping the victim it happens every day, by those who do care even a drug dealer will help others. and the Samaritan parable was to show the hypocrisy of the Pharisees that many Israelites at that time thought to be righteous.

    the love thy enemies such as turn the other cheek, is simple. in the service to the Kingdom in the finding of those chosen the servant isn't the judge of who and who should not be in the Kingdom. if the servant goes by his own judgement of what is good for himself and anything within his reach he will miss the mark. hence no matter the unpleasantly of a person, this maybe one of the Lord's. the servant merely brings the message and the servant must do what's best for the Kingdom and not himself, which is according to the King of the Kingdom. so the servant brings the message and it's on the Lord to reveal the Truth of God to the hearer of said message. because the Lord walks with His servant, or he isn't a servant of the Lord. no one kicks God's door in and sees God and decides whether or not they want to believe. God sees the heart just as men see each others faces and acknowledges a chosen by revealing the Truth of Himself to that person. and that person acknowledges God through His Son the Word spoken to that person via the servant, in God's Presence. its not the only set of circumstances but the Word must be heard first, and that will come by way of a servant of the Lord.

    so this turning of the cheek is for the sake of the living (as in those who will receive Christ) not the dead.

    a soldier suffers for the kingdom he soldiers for. actually saving lives (souls) in this case, (by the Power of God of course) the methods are according to God's Judgement which is Life, rather than man's judgement which is death. King David fought many battles but he would be the first to tell you that it was the Lord his God who won it, and delivered him. Joshua fought many battles and he didn't even have to tell you by who's Power was the battle won, but he did anyway.

    man doesn't reveal God, God reveals Himself, at His own will, at His own pleasure, and no one acknowledges what they don't know to be. and to know is to experience.
     
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    nice. Could you rephrase this, i'm prolly hearing it wrong ty
     
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