From the pen of Ellen White

[Jack]

You might remember that scripture Jack, seeing you quote it so often......remember it for yourself because nobody is calling you a fool, so you weren't calling others a fool, why are you quoting it?

Evasive!

Matthew 13
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[quietthinker]

Evasive!

Matthew 13
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Not evasive at all Jack but it suits you to call it that because you are unwilling to consider my question......that makes you evasive.

 

[Jack]

Not evasive at all Jack but it suits you to call it that because you are unwilling to consider my question......that makes you evasive.

I answer your questions with Scripture. You should try it. Do you know any Scripture?

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Brakelite]

@Jack
Simply consider again each of those verses you have quoted in the 5 or 6 posts above. Go through them again, one by one, and quote again which ones state explicitly that human sinners are tormented for all eternity.
I can see there is eternal fire. I can see there is Hellfire.
I can see also that there is a lake of fire, into which the devil, the false prophet, and the beast shall be tormented.
You quoted Jesus when He spoke of the burning of the tares. What happens to dry weeds when you burn them Jack? Here's a clue...
KJV Malachi 4:1-3
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[Jack]

@Jack
Simply consider again each of those verses you have quoted in the 5 or 6 posts above. Go through them again, one by one, and quote again which ones state explicitly that human sinners are tormented for all eternity.

I've studied them many times.

I can see there is eternal fire. I can see there is Hellfire.

Good for you!

I can see also that there is a lake of fire, into which the devil, the false prophet, and the beast shall be tormented.

And humans will suffer the exact same fate.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

You quoted Jesus when He spoke of the burning of the tares. What happens to dry weeds when you burn them Jack? Here's a clue...
KJV Malachi 4:1-3
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

No NT? Of course you don't!

John 15:6
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

 

[BarneyFife]

Jesus was warning us how HORRIBLE the everlasting fire will be. Pay attention! It might save you from the eternal Hell fire!

If I'm not mistaken you've made it very clear in the past that your motivation for seeking salvation was largely to escape hellfire, am I correct?

Do you really believe that God's ability to save is so limited that He has to resort to exploiting a base human emotion to convince people that He is worthy of service?

Do you take all of Scripture literally or just the parts that seem to describe final punishment as eternal torment?

What about this one:

"Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world."

Is the LORD Jesus to you a four-legged bovid who saves all of mankind universally?

If not, then what rules do you use to determine which texts are to be taken literally and which figuratively?

 

[quietthinker]

I answer your questions with Scripture. You should try it. Do you know any Scripture?

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Righto Jack, how about we leave the flaming and talk a little about water?
There was Jesus, perched against a well in the middle of the day and he was thirsty . No doubt the Sun was doing a bit of flaming of its own kind but he had no bucket and no rope when along comes this woman with the right equipment.....
Listen to the rest of the story ....
here.... Jesus, the Woman, the Well, and the Water

 

[Jack]

If I'm not mistaken you've made it very clear in the past that your motivation for seeking salvation was largely to escape hellfire, am I correct?

Of course.

Do you really believe that God's ability to save is so limited that He has to resort to exploiting a base human emotion to convince people that He is worthy of service?

Proverbs 9
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,

Do you take all of Scripture literally or just the parts that seem to describe final punishment as eternal torment?

I'm a literalist unless there's absolute reason to not be.

What about this one:

"Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world."

Is the LORD Jesus to you a four-legged bovid who saves all of mankind universally?

Aren't you getting a little ridiculous?

If not, then what rules do you use to determine which texts are to be taken literally and which figuratively?

"I'm a literalist unless there's absolute reason to not be."

 

[Jack]

Righto Jack, how about we leave the flaming and talk a little about water?
There was Jesus, perched against a well in the middle of the day and he was thirsty . No doubt the Sun was doing a bit of flaming of its own kind but he had no bucket and no rope when along comes this woman with the right equipment.....
Listen to the rest of the story ....
here.... Jesus, the Woman, the Well, and the Water

Evasive, again

 

[Jack]

Philippians 2
12 Work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

 

[BarneyFife]

Aren't you getting a little ridiculous?

You mean, like a God who is synonymous with love torturing people for zillions of years for stuff that they got done in less than a hundred? I'm with the atheists on this one, Jack.

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[quietthinker]

Evasive, again

Oh Jack, I get it, your logic trumps all.

 

[Jack]

You mean, like a God who is synonymous with love torturing people for zillions of years for stuff that they got done in less than a hundred? I'm with the atheists on this one, Jack.

Isn't that contrary to the ChristianityBoard Statement of Faith?

 

[Jack]

Oh Jack, I get it, your logic trumps all.

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No logic needed. I have the written Word of God.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[quietthinker]

No NT? Of course you don't!

I s'pose we'll have to blame Jesus for that, he didn't use it either!

 

[Jack]

I s'pose we'll have to blame Jesus for that, he didn't use it either!

Post 114

Who do you think said all that?

 

[quietthinker]

Post 114

Who do you think said all that?

irrespective of what Jesus said, he didn't use the NT

 

[Jack]

irrespective of what Jesus said, he didn't use the NT

Ahh, the truth comes out. Do you believe any of the NT is the written Word of God?

 

[quietthinker]

Ahh, the truth comes out. Do you believe any of the NT is the written Word of God?

Jack, how is it that you have an interest in quoting Jesus' words but have no interest in the spirit of his character?

 

[Jack]

Jack, how is it that you have an interest in quoting Jesus' words but have no interest in the spirit of his character?

His 'character' is revealed in what He said in the NT. Now back to my question, "Do you believe any of the NT is the written Word of God?"