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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Rocky Wiley, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. Rocky Wiley

    Rocky Wiley Active Member

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    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


    Beginning to think that there is more here than just creation.

    God doesn't create something without form and void. So it had to become that away. A previous earth with people that was destroyed by the works of Satan. This would explain the bones of humans and animals that go back thousands of years. Why not, it would agree with scientist that put the age back that far. I feel sure that God would not create something that he made to look like something it isn't.

    Believing the above does not take away anything we already know, it expands it.
     
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    Except that it implies that God's works are not perfect, that He failed once in His creative work and had to try again, and once again His "supposed" perfect works were thwarted by the Adversary.

    Radio carbon dating is only reliable for about 50,000 years beyond that it is guess work, not to mention the fact that when scientist preform these dating practices what they are actually dating is not the bones themselves, but the sediments found in and around the bones.

    Since we know that the earth itself is billions of years old so too we imagine the sediments which make up its composition, thus the idea of accurately dating fossilized bones is speculative at best.
     
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    Addressing the OP, God's work is, "PERFECT", and complete, and good, it's just us who can not obtain. but have Patience. because more we read, the more we gain KNOWLEDGE of God.

    for God is Wisdom and we have his WISDOM in the Christ who he is in Power and that Wisdom. if one allow the Holy Spirit to TEACH you instead of men, one will learn a lot. this is why the book of Genesis is written to give "UNDERSTANDING". it how one is guided in that KNOWLEDGE. I'm just about to the end in the topic "Revelation Explained", and I'll devote more time here on Genesis, for it have much to offer and eliminate many false doctrine and beliefs.

    so yes, there is much to learn, and the bring down of stronghold is our Job in Christ jesus.

    PICJAG.
     
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    So, we do know the earth itself is billions of years old. Good, now it is not much of a stretch to believe human bones are older than just a few thousand years.

    When it makes sense, it is generally correct.
     
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    I see it this way

    God created the heavens and the earth

    In its origional state, the earth was without form and void..

    God then spends the rest of the creation account telling us in detail how he ok this void earth and made i into a living inhabitants land with everything mankind needed to survive.
     
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    Good job on posting the KJV translation. I
    believe it should be Heaven singular.

    I personally believe that God only created *one* of the Three Heavens at that point, which means our Universe didn't even exist yet, much less Earth.

    This is why Earth was 'without form and void'. Earth was literally just a sea of Chaos or Abyss.

    In other words, God created Heaven and Hell in Genesis 1:1.

    The rest of Genesis is about creating the other Two Heavens.

    I agree.

    I tried for a long time to make the Gap Theory work, but I ultimately gave up as it just didn't fit the rest of the Bible.
     
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    If God can create Adam and Eve with age, why not Earth?
     
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    the creation days are not 24 hr days. each day was over a thousand years to give plants time to grow and reproduce, animals to do the same and people to reproduce.

    It only makes sense


    As for Adam and Eve who were formed in Gen 2, days and years of their life and children are noted in scripture.
     
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    This makes no sense at all

    It limits the power of God.
     
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    That description is akin to a potter taking a lump of clay to form a beautiful piece of pottery. Before the pottery is created the clay has no form and is devoid of any etching.

    And so it was with creation. The globe of the earth was not perfectly spherical and the surface of the earth was devoid of everything. It does not imply that something was destroyed and had to be fixed.
     
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    Now you are simply contradicting the Bible. Every day is defined by *evening and morning* which translates into a literal 24 hour day. This is confirmed in the Ten Commandments.
     
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    this is correct, Genesis chapter 2 give detail account of chapter. now let me throw a curb ball into this conversation regarding chapter 2 vs men thinking, and teaching. man, the first Adam was formed on DAY #3. and Eve was made on Day 6.

    and here's something to note, the first man and woman had children in the Garden before they sin and was removed out of it. and how long they was having children inside the garden before they was kicked out no one knows only God. they could have been having children for hundreds, thousand, or millions of years before they was set out of the garden.

    that's something to chew on. so from that you can tell I'm not a Pre-Adamic gap theorist believer.

    PICJAG.
     
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    nope
    Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
    Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;


    Gen_5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

    Gen_5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.


    that's ok

    PICJAG.[/QUOTE]
     
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    2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    χίλιοι
    chilioi
    khil'-ee-oy
    Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.

    Unknown affinity
     
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    [/QUOTE]
    smile, thanks for the reply, yes, it's all there let's see it first, in Genesis chapter 1. Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
    Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day".

    the grass herbs and trees were brought forth on day 3 right. NOW THIS,
    Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
    Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
    Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
    Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul".

    BEFORE the plants, BEFORE the grass grew, BEFORE the herbs was in the earth, and get this, BEFORE the mist watered the ground. so from the dust God "FORMED" MAN and breathed into his nostrils the breath of "LIFE". WHEN? .... BEFORE the grass grew, BEFORE the plants grew, and BEFORE the herbs was put into the earth, and BEFORE the mist went up. and all that happen, according to chapter 1, on DAY 3.

    read it again and see for yourself.

    let me say it again, as to what is written, man was "FORMED" on day 3, and MANKIND, (the male and the female) was made on Day 6.
    we suggest you read it for yourself. take off your blinders for a second, and READ. remember, Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children".

    PICJAG.
     
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    Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
    Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
    Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
    Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul".

    read it again and see for yourself.

    let me say it again, as to what is written, man was "FORMED" on day 3, and MANKIND, (the male and the female) was made on Day 6.
    we suggest you read it for yourself. take off your blinders for a second, and READ. remember, Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children".

    PICJAG.[/QUOTE]

    God created the heavens and the earth Gen 1:1

    the field is a part of the earth not the whole earth, it is where a farmer would work
    Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
    a farmer would till the ground

    Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
    Adam is in a garden, which we think of as being on a farm.

    Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;
    beast of the field - farm animals cattle, horses, chickens, etc.

    Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him

    Adam was not told to go and replenish the earth, he would be a farmer in a field where the LORD God placed him.
     
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    Context! Context! Context! This has no application to creation, but this does:

    THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY
    For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:11)
     
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    People quoting 2 peter 3:8 out of context is exactly what you get when scripture is interpreted by inductive reasoning. They start with a scripture, a specific observation that to them claims that time operates differently in heaven or to God, and so based on that observation, the conclusion is that a day doesn't actually mean a day. When the book says something happens in a day, it must mean thousand's and billion of years. Proper exegesis, which is based on deductive reasoning starts with a general premise to reach a specific conclusion that may or may not prove the premise to be false. This is what many Christians claim to do but in practice, they really don't.

    God is not constrained by time, if he wants something done in a day or in a moment, he'll get it done. Based on this premise, one can then continue searching the scriptures to actually prove it. It for example, did not take him thousands of years or days to turn a stick into a snake. It didn't take God thousands of years to hit Egypt with the ten plagues. It didn't take God thousands of years to part the red sea. It didn't take thousands of years to raise Jesus from the dead. When the book says he rose in three days, it meant exactly that. And if God wants to change us, to grant us immortality, it won't take him thousands of years or days to do it, but instead, it is prophesied to occur within the twinkling of an eye.

    All these examples conclusively proves the premise that God is not constrained by time. He is not the weakling many Christians try to portray him to be.
     
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    Since man only arrived on the earth 6000 years ago any speculation about fossilized bones being older than that is just that, speculation.

    And yes we agree with you that the creative days consisted of thousands of years each, and being as order is heavens first law it only seems logical that as the seventh creative day is seven thousand years long the previous six creative days were of the same equal length.

    Thus although we agree with the estimated age of the earth (the physical globe) at about 4.5 billion years of age the creative work in which the Lord began preparing the earth for the arrival of man is now only a little over 49,000 years old and will soon reach the 50th thousand year and the Great Gran Jubilee.

    God has set things up on a particular cycle of 7X7 not only in relation to the literal days of the week, but likewise in respects to the creative week itself.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all.
    Thank you for posting this, Exodus 20:11. I asked another poster this question, “is God still in his seventh day rest?”. I didn’t get an answer, so maybe we can get an answer now. In Exodus 20:11 the command for the people of God was to remember the Sabbath day which is God’s pattern of rest after the creation of days, (six) … right … right. and for the “work”, The people of God were to work for six solar days, (your point of argument, correct), which is clearly found at Exodus 20:9. and then rest on the seventh solar day, (again, your point of argument), is found at Exodus 20:10, again correct…. right … Right. If it can be determined that God’s seventh day of rest in Genesis 2:1-3 extends beyond the scope of a single solar 24hr. day, then the correspondence between the “day” (yowm) of God’s rest and our “day” of observance would be analogical, and not identical. other words if the seventh day is still continuing then the comparison to the other six days (yowm) fall apart also, in a actual 24hr day (yowm) scenario, correct. Good, let’s see if this holds water. for the scriptures states, test the spirit by the Spirit. PROVE all things, and HOLD FAST to that which is GOOD. so lets see if God is still in his “REST”

    the bible is clear, his rest, the 7th "DAY", meaning God is still at rest as we speak, and has been on going, and from Genesis chapter 2, why? because #1. there is no evening and the morning which ended it… Right…. Right, go back and check Genesis chapter 2: verses 1-3. as was with the six days in chapter 1 thwere was evening and the morning and ANOTHER DAY. (side note: this confirm my understanding of the Eight King on the Eighth "DAY" in God rest, (on the topic Revelation Explained). so lets see if he’s at “REST”.

    supportive scripture, Hebrews 4:4 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
    Hebrews 4:5 "And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
    Hebrews 4:6 "Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
    Hebrews 4:7 "Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
    Hebrews 4:8 "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (that EIGHTH DAY, (BINGO).
    Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
    Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
    Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief".

    so … “TODAY”, yes “TODAY” right NOW, God is still in his REST. so those six days, (yowm), to labor are not in “ACTUAL" 24hrs. Days in comparison to his, (GOD'S), “DAYS” of creation. those DAYS of creation are “L O N G", had to stretche it out a bit, you get the picture, real LONG, more than a 24hr. solar day, (yowm) . so those six days, (yowm), in Genesis chapter 1, as (you think) are NOT literal six solar days, (yowm), as you "THINK" in belif. that LIE, (the 24hrs literal), for a six "DAY" creation have fallen flat on it face. we suggest you "RE-NEW your MIND.

    we keep telling you the 24hr. solar day is for us and not God.

    so the Exodus 20:11 scripture are literal 24hrs solar days FOR MEN, but not to be compared “ACTUALLY” to the six day of God’s creation in equal comparison. those six literal days are only an “Analogy” to the six day in creation.

    I hope some … “Light” has shined into your hearts.

    PICJAG.
     
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