GEN 1:1-2 SPEAKS MORE THAN CREATION!

[reformed1689]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Beginning to think that there is more here than just creation.

God doesn't create something without form and void. So it had to become that away. A previous earth with people that was destroyed by the works of Satan. This would explain the bones of humans and animals that go back thousands of years. Why not, it would agree with scientist that put the age back that far. I feel sure that God would not create something that he made to look like something it isn't.

Believing the above does not take away anything we already know, it expands it.

Just curious, and I think this may be the crux of your problem, what do you think without form and void actually means?

 

[101G]

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth”.

here in verse 26, we see, “US”, and the term, “OUR”. now this, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them”.

here in verse 27, we see “HIS”, and the term, “HE”. so how did God from being “US” and “OUR”, to being a “HE” and “HIS” in Just one verse?

because God is a “HE” one PERSON, when he made man. and when the fullness of time came, he “shared” himself in flesh as the diversity of himself with the title “son”. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come”.

this nullifies any thoughts of a trinity at creation, or anywhere else . as the topic states, “GEN 1:1-2 SPEAKS MORE THAN CREATION!”, that’s on point.


PICJAG.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The water under the crust of the earth as well as that of the sky itself water boarded all life, and the firmament is defined as the sky according to the creation account.

Look at the definition of the word. Not all of the firmament is the sky.

It is proven there is a great watery core which the earths crust rides on. It was this water that burst forth with such great velocity it ripped the crust open split the continents created the mountains and flooded the earth

 

[reformed1689]

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth”.

here in verse 26, we see, “US”, and the term, “OUR”. now this, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them”.

here in verse 27, we see “HIS”, and the term, “HE”. so how did God from being “US” and “OUR”, to being a “HE” and “HIS” in Just one verse?

because God is a “HE” one PERSON, when he made man. and when the fullness of time came, he “shared” himself in flesh as the diversity of himself with the title “son”. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come”.

this nullifies any thoughts of a trinity at creation, or anywhere else . as the topic states, “GEN 1:1-2 SPEAKS MORE THAN CREATION!”, that’s on point.


PICJAG.

Off topic

 

[Dcopymope]

Look at the definition of the word. Not all of the firmament is the sky.

It is proven there is a great watery core which the earths crust rides on. It was this water that burst forth with such great velocity it ripped the crust open split the continents created the mountains and flooded the earth

The "firmament" is called heaven in the account, the same heaven birds fly in. At what point are the fountains of the great deep referred to as heaven?

(Genesis 1:20) "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Are the fountains of the great deep above the earth or below it?

 

[Dcopymope]

Yeah, this whole thread is based on a complete misunderstanding of terms.

Yeah, the Bible really isn't that hard to comprehend, its not rocket science. It only becomes difficult when people inject their own personal interpretations into it without any justification.

 

[101G]

Off topic

Nope, on topic... we suggest you look at what the topic really say.

now unless you have something constructive to say on the topice and instead of me. you're muite.

PICJAG.

 

[Enow]

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth”.

here in verse 26, we see, “US”, and the term, “OUR”. now this, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them”.

here in verse 27, we see “HIS”, and the term, “HE”. so how did God from being “US” and “OUR”, to being a “HE” and “HIS” in Just one verse?

because God is a “HE” one PERSON, when he made man. and when the fullness of time came, he “shared” himself in flesh as the diversity of himself with the title “son”. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come”.

this nullifies any thoughts of a trinity at creation, or anywhere else . as the topic states, “GEN 1:1-2 SPEAKS MORE THAN CREATION!”, that’s on point.

PICJAG.

In regards to creation, from the request made in the plural sense and when doing the act in the singular sense, this is where the Three Persons in the One God makes sense, because for that One God to establish a word in creation, He needs 2 or 3 other Witnesses to do it as God. 2 Corinthians 13:1

Let us look at the prayer system that God has set up with Christ being the Only Mediator between God and men. We make intercessions, the Holy Spirit makes silent intercessions for why Christ knows the mind of the Spirit to give His silent intercessions to the Father, and the Son makes His own intercessions also so that He presents all intercessions to the Father ( John 14:6 ). When the Father says "yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayer so that the Father may be glorified in the Son ( John 14:13-14 ). The Holy Spirit plays a part in establishing that testimony of the answers to prayers but gives all credit to the Son to glorify the Son for answers to prayers. ( John 16:13-15 )

So if you understand the prayer system that has been set up by God, that is how it was for creation of man when Jesus before His incarnation, made all things per the agreement of the Father and the submission & agreement of the Holy Spirit in establishing a word in creation as well as for the creation of man in "our" image when the request was made for how God as the One God created man in His image when performing the act..

 

[101G]

In regards to creation, from the request made in the plural sense and when doing the act in the singular sense, this is where the Three Persons in the One God makes sense, because for that One God to establish a word in creation, He needs 2 or 3 other Witnesses to do it as God. 2 Corinthians 13:1

First thanks for the reply, I see what you're trying to say but it want work here.

second, not saying that you’re right or wrong, but consider this. if the Lord Jesus who he himself cannot lie states that God is the “HE” a single Person at Genesis 1:26 then you should believe him correct? .... Good now this,
Matthew 19:4 "when our Lord was speaking to the Pharisees concerning divorcement" , he said this, listen. “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female”.
notice our Lord said “he”, not them or “our” or “us”.he said “he”, meaning GOD, and NO OTHER WITNESS . now if you are not clear as to who the “he” is the book of Mark makes it very clear that God is the “he” in Matthews 19:4. same conversation, now recorded by Mark, listen, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female”. (BINGO), Mark confirm that God in Genesis 1:26 is a “he”, and he was by HIMSELF.

so there is no “us” nor “our” at Genesis 1:26 to witness anything. unless you’re in the position to call the Lord Jesus a lair?
are you willing to do that? I hope not. so now you and any other Trinitarian will have to go back to the drawing board and try another approach. or else the simple way is to confess to the truth, which is much safer. oh well your choice.

PICJAG

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The "firmament" is called heaven in the account, the same heaven birds fly in. At what point are the fountains of the great deep referred to as heaven?



Are the fountains of the great deep above the earth or below it?

It would be best to have you read what changed my view. If your open and will read it

Taken from the hydro plate theory By dr Walt brown


Expanse or Firmament (raqia). The key Hebrew word in Genesis 1: 6–8a is raqia ((ayqirf). It is translated “firmament” in the King James Version and “expanse” in most Hebrew dictionaries and modern translations. While its original meaning is uncertain, its root, raqa ((qarf), means to spread out, beat out, or hammer as one would a malleable metal. It can also mean “plate.” This may explain why the Greek Septuagint translated raqia 16 out of 17 times with the Greek word stereoma (stere&wma), which means “a firm or solid structure.” The Latin Vulgate (A.D. 382) used the Latin term “firmamentum,” which also denotes solidness and firmness. So, the King James translators in A.D. 1611 coined the word “firmament.” Today, “firmament” is usually used poetically to mean sky, atmosphere, or heavens. In modern Hebrew, raqia means sky or heavens. However, originally it probably meant something solid or firm that was spread out. Indeed, Isaiah 42:5 says the earth was “spread out.”

Finally, if raqia were related to a canopy, it seems strange that other Hebrew words, often translated as “canopy,” were not used in Genesis: sukkah (Psalms 18:11 and II Samuel 22:12), chuppah (Isaiah 4:5), and shaphrur(Jeremiah 43:10).


Why then, does Genesis 1: 8a state, “And God called the expanse heaven” ? Here are two interpretations:

a. “The expanse” meant the atmosphere or outer space.

b. “The expanse” meant “heaven”—where God dwelt—the original paradise. Recall that God “walked” and “talked” with Adam (Genesis 3:8–9), so heaven was originally on the Earth—on the Earth’s crust.

If “heaven” meant atmosphere or outer space, then the Septuagint and Vulgate translators incorrectly associated solidness with it. Notice also that the similarities of raqia ((ayqirf) with baqia ((ayqib@f) and raqa ((qarf) support the second interpretation. [See page 534.] If raqia (expanse or firmament) always means atmosphere or outer space, five questions, or apparent textual contradictions, arise.

Question 1: Why was the word raqia followed by the phrase “of the heavens” in Genesis 1:14, 15, 17, and 20? That would be redundant.

Question 2: If raqia implies a canopy, why wasn’t one of the three Hebrew words that clearly means “canopy” used?

Question 3: Genesis 1:1 says that the heavens were created on the first day.19 However, if raqia always means “heaven” (atmosphere or outer space), then Genesis 1: 8a says heaven was created on the second day. Also, Genesis 1: 8a defines heaven after the word “heavens” was first used in Genesis 1:1. Normally, a word’s meaning is understood from the context of its first usage.


Question 4: Genesis 1: 9 states, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear.” Obviously, these are Earth’s surface waters. If “heaven” meant atmosphere or outer space and if “expanse” meant a canopy surrounding the Earth, why would Genesis 1:9 not read, “Let the waters below be gathered into one place”? That would have been sufficient, clear, and consistent with the phrasing of Genesis 1:7, which relates the water’s two locations to the expanse. It would also make clear that the expanse (raqia) is above—not below—the surface waters. Instead, the text reads, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place.” The words “the heavens” apparently were added to make clear that surface waters were gathered into one place.

Question 5: Genesis 1:14 says the Sun, Moon, and stars (which fill the universe) were placed in the raqia of the heavens, and Genesis 1:7 says liquid water was placed above the raqia (as opposed to the raqia of the heavens).Does this mean that the raqia is the universe, and liquid water surrounded the universe? 21

After struggling to understand Genesis 1:8a for 30 years, I described several possible interpretations of Genesis 1:8a in the 7th edition (2001) of this book. In 2005, I received independent letters from two pastors proposing an explanation.22 Before Adam’s fall, Earth was a paradise; in a sense, it was “heaven on Earth.” Therefore, God called the firmament (Earth’s crust) heaven. (Notice: God did not call heaven “the firmament.”) Each pastor provided different biblical reasons for his view, but both maintained that our difficulty in understanding Genesis 1:8a results largely from our inability to imagine the original paradise. If man had not fallen, no one would have difficulty with the fact that God called the Earth “heaven.”

Confirmation of this is in Randy Alcorn’s outstanding book, Heaven (2004).23 His case is so detailed, voluminous, and strong that any attempt to summarize it here would not do justice to his work. As Alcorn points out, nonbiblical stereotypes of heaven have crept into our Christian culture. I believe this accounts for much of our confusion over Genesis 1:8a. (Every Christian should study what the Bible actually says.) Earth was created with the intention that it would be heaven. The fall temporarily delayed that plan, and the Earth was cursed. Alcorn also discusses the future “new Earth.”

Those who reject this proposed understanding of expanse and Genesis 1:8a should carefully weigh the two choices


Vail’s case for a canopy rested largely on the mythology of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and other ancient cultures. He argued that a real canopy, millions of years ago, produced these myths. Vail wrote,

I have been told again and again that the canopy idea is weak because it is founded on mythology. I can only protest that it is not founded on mythology. On the contrary mythology is largely founded on the canopy, fossilized in human thot [thought]. The canopy as a watery heaven close to the Earth existed for untold millions of years before a myth ever germinated.24

We can all agree with Vail that ancient mythology and today’s canopy theories are linked. But which came first: myth or canopy? If the best canopy theory cannot overcome the scientific problems mentioned earlier, then a canopy did not produce or precede the ancient myths. Myths probably produced canopy theories.

 

[Enow]

First thanks for the reply, I see what you're trying to say but it want work here.

second, not saying that you’re right or wrong, but consider this. if the Lord Jesus who he himself cannot lie states that God is the “HE” a single Person at Genesis 1:26 then you should believe him correct? .... Good now this,
Matthew 19:4 "when our Lord was speaking to the Pharisees concerning divorcement" , he said this, listen. “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female”.
notice our Lord said “he”, not them or “our” or “us”.he said “he”, meaning GOD, and NO OTHER WITNESS . now if you are not clear as to who the “he” is the book of Mark makes it very clear that God is the “he” in Matthews 19:4. same conversation, now recorded by Mark, listen, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female”. (BINGO), Mark confirm that God in Genesis 1:26 is a “he”, and he was by HIMSELF.

so there is no “us” nor “our” at Genesis 1:26 to witness anything. unless you’re in the position to call the Lord Jesus a lair?
are you willing to do that? I hope not. so now you and any other Trinitarian will have to go back to the drawing board and try another approach. or else the simple way is to confess to the truth, which is much safer. oh well your choice.

PICJAG

Explain the plurality in Genesis 1:26 then.

It's not like we are saying there is no One God, we are, but the make up of that One God is Three Persons/Witnesses for God to do what He commands of men to do in establishing a testimony or judging any one; Deuteronomy 17:6 & Deuteronomy 19:15 As God commands of men, so does He do, and so the only way He can do that in according to His words, is that there are Three Witnesses within the One God.

Explain the plurality in Jesus's words in relations to the Father.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

The explain how He signifies the Person of the Holy Spirit as a separate Person from the Father & the Son that also will dwell within us.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

We acknowledge the verses of the One God, but you are not acknowledging the verses testifying to the plurality within that One God.

Even the word for God in Hebrew ( elohiym ) is in the plural form.

HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

"plural of ''elowahh' (433); gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty."

So yes, there is One God, but even the Hebrew word from which God was derived from is plural in relations to that One God and that is because there are 3 Witnesses within that One God.

 

[101G]

Explain the plurality in Genesis 1:26 then.

It's not like we are saying there is no One God, we are, but the make up of that One God is Three Persons/Witnesses for God to do what He commands of men to do in establishing a testimony or judging any one; Deuteronomy 17:6 & Deuteronomy 19:15 As God commands of men, so does He do, and so the only way He can do that in according to His words, is that there are Three Witnesses within the One God.

Explain the plurality in Jesus's words in relations to the Father.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

The explain how He signifies the Person of the Holy Spirit as a separate Person from the Father & the Son that also will dwell within us.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

We acknowledge the verses of the One God, but you are not acknowledging the verses testifying to the plurality within that One God.

Even the word for God in Hebrew ( elohiym ) is in the plural form.

HTML Bible Index - King James Version - Strongs Concordance - Frames Version

"plural of ''elowahh' (433); gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty."

So yes, there is One God, but even the Hebrew word from which God was derived from is plural in relations to that One God and that is because there are 3 Witnesses within that One God.

first thanks for the reply, second, let's put an end to this witness for God at Genesis 1:26. LISTEN CAREFULLY. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

#1. he, God was alone. #2. he, God was by himself. (so he didn't go through anyone else). #3. he MADE ALL THINGS, including us, and he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF".

Now, do you know what "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF", means? there is not anyone else around. that's clear as day.

Now if you have a good reason to contridict the scriptures please post it, else no need for any discussion.

PICJAG.

 

[marksman]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Beginning to think that there is more here than just creation.

God doesn't create something without form and void. So it had to become that away. A previous earth with people that was destroyed by the works of Satan. This would explain the bones of humans and animals that go back thousands of years. Why not, it would agree with scientist that put the age back that far. I feel sure that God would not create something that he made to look like something it isn't.

Believing the above does not take away anything we already know, it expands it.

The billions of years of so-called scientists is nothing more than pure conjecture. NO ONE knows how old the earth is because it says that when God created it, it was without form and void. It does not say and no one knows how long it was without form and void and anyone who says they do are jumping to conclusions without any evidence.

And who's to say that God does not create something without form and void. He can and will do what he wants to do and we have no say in it. Until we know the purpose behind the without form and void and we don't, like all those scientists out there all we can do is conjecture. I would rather spend my time studying or knowing all about the wonders of creation that did eventuate than worry about what did or did not happen as it will change nothing at all.

Who knows that God DID create heaven and earth without form and void and then he said to Jesus "Hey son, got any ideas for the next stage?"

And Jesus replies "I don't know Dad. We could do a million things and make it sensational. We could have a real ball with the end result being something we would never consider possible. I tell you what. You write down all your ideas and I will write down all my ideas and then we can compare notes."

A minute later, Jesus had a thousand ideas and God had a thousand ideas.

"Now let me see," said God as he went over Jesus' ideas.

"Now let me see," said Jesus as he looked at God's ideas.

"This is going to take some time sorting all this out so how about you go and make the coffee and I will bake the biscuits"

"OK Dad, this will be one big miracle putting all this together."

"What's new Son?"

 

[marksman]

This makes no sense at all

It limits the power of God.

All the evidence I have is that God can speak and it happens in a moment. He does not need time. I remember a woman who was taken to heaven for a while and she was asked by an angel what she would like to see and she said flowers. In a moment of time she could see flowers as far as the eye could see.

You will notice that God so often performs miracles in a moment of time not years. i.e The blind man who could see.

 

[n2thelight]

Except that it implies that God's works are not perfect, that He failed once in His creative work and had to try again, and once again His "supposed" perfect works were thwarted by the Adversary.

Oh,but it was perfect

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

There are two bodies mentioned in this verse; the heaven and the earth. It simply stated a fact and left the time factor out. The verse not only did not say when, but left it totally to our imagination, as to the eternal span of time, and how the creation took place.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

Who is that Spirit of God? He is the Holy Spirit, and it is God's Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters.

In the Hebrew translation of the word, "was", as used in this verse "...the earth was without form,..."; in the original text it reads "became without form...". This same mistranslation of the word "became", and turning it into the word "was" is also present in Genesis 2:7. It should read there; "..and man became a living soul."

was
1961 hayah
hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare OT:1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):KJV - beacon, altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, follow, happen, have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, use.

void
922
bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:
KJV - emptiness, void.
The correct Hebrew translation from the Massoretic Hebrew text for the words, "without form" is "tohu-va bohu" in the Hebrew Strong's dictionary. So we see that the earth was not "created without form", but it "became [tohu] without form and void". Lets go to Strong's Hebrew dictionary, reference number 1961 to verify the word "was", that we read in this verse. "Yahah, haw-yaw; a prime root, to exit; to become, or come to pass." [#1961]


Excerpt from The Companion Bible Appendix 8:

The word "without form" (Hebrew tohu) is used of a subsequent event which, we know not how long after the Creation, befell the primitive creation of Genesis 1:1. It occurs in Genesis 1:2. Deuteronomy 32:10. 1Samuel 12:21 (twice). Job 6:18; 12:24; 26:7. Psalm 107:40. Isaiah 24:10; 29:21; 34:11; 40:17, 23; 41:29; 44:9; 45:18, 19; 49:4; 59:4. Jeremiah 4:23.
The Hebrew bohu, rendered "void", means desolate, and occurs in Genesis 1:2. Isaiah 34:11. Jeremiah 4:23. The two words together occur in Genesis 1:2. Isaiah 34:11. Jeremiah 4:23.
In Isaiah 45:18; "For thus saith the Lord That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: "I am the Lord; and there is none else."

This is God speaking as Isaiah is writing it down, and He is telling us that when He created the earth, it was not in vain. "Vain" is the same Hebrew word that we saw in Genesis 1:2, which was given as "void". God created this earth to be lived on, and to be inhabited. Genesis 1:1 told us that God created the earth to be inhabited. The "Tohu", the "destruction", was not part of the creation plan of verse one, but came after the fall of Satan when one third of all the souls followed Satan in the first earth age, in verse two.

 

[n2thelight]

Jeremiah 4:22; "For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge."

How many people really know God's Word? There are very few that can quote you anything from the Bible, except those parts that can give them personal gain. The translators were kind to use the word "sottish", for the word means just plain "stupid", or "silly". The nature of mankind today is to "make a buck any way that you can". Their minds are evil constantly, as they were in the days of Noah. However, in the ways of goodness, and doing right, there is a void.

Jeremiah 4:23; "I beheld the earth, and, lo it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."

Here we get back to the same word that we saw earlier in Genesis 1:2; The Hebrew word "Tohu" for "void". In other words, God is saying, "I destroyed the first heaven and earth age." There simply was no life form existing on this earth at the close of the first earth age in any form.

Jeremiah 4:24; "I beheld the mountains, and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly."

This is why the magnetic north is 90 miles off true north? God shook the earth and everything moved from its foundations at the time the destruction "tohu" took place.

Jeremiah 4:25; "I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled."

Did you get that? No man, no animals, and not even the birds were left alive. The earth was covered with water, and life could not exist. There was no boat floating around on the surface, for the span of time could have been for thousands of years, or a much greater time.

Jeremiah 4:26; "I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger."

In this flood there wasn't a tree or a blade of grass left with life in it. However, what about these "cities" that once existed? Yes there were cities at that time, and God's anger and fury against Satan, and the third of God's children that followed Satan, caused God to destroy that entire earth age, and all that was part of it.

That is what God meant in Hebrews 11:7 when He said, "I shook her once and know I'll shake her again." The only thing that will be left standing then, is that which is unshakeable, and it will only be those who have repented, and have Jesus Christ in their heart. They are those souls that were sealed in their minds, and did not bow to the Antichrist, his system, or take his name, nor his number.

Jeremiah 4:27; "For thus hath the Lord said, "The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end."

God allowed the waters of the first earth age to recede, and from it came a condition whereby we can live in this second earth age. Each soul, or God's child, will pass through this flesh earth age once, and we have the choice to chose either light or darkness; Jesus Christ or Satan. When God created each soul and gave it free will, He cannot force that soul to love Him. You cannot buy love, or it will be a false love. God is looking for your tender love; from within your free soul. It is your choice.

genesis1

 

[n2thelight]

Had satan not rebelled the earth would not had been destroyed and we not have been made flesh..

the bible is clear, his rest, the 7th "DAY", meaning God is still at rest as we speak, and has been on going, and from Genesis chapter 2, why? because #1. there is no evening and the morning which ended it… Right…. Right, go back and check Genesis chapter 2: verses 1-3. as was with the six days in chapter 1 thwere was evening and the morning and ANOTHER DAY. (side note: this confirm my understanding of the Eight King on the Eighth "DAY" in God rest, (on the topic Revelation Explained). so lets see if he’s at “REST”.

God created Adam after the 7th day so I would say He is not still at rest .

Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made."

Adam has yet to be created

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The word "formed" is used [molded as clay] to describe the making of Adam. When man was formed he became a living creature. In the Hebrew it is "eth-ha-adham", which refers to the particular person "Adam", (not a generic form for man). The "Ha-Adham" [Adam] is the man that Christ will come forth through. Matthew 1:1-17, and Luke 3:23-38 both give us our documentation that this is true and did come to pass. Paul states in I Corinthians 15:21-23 that sin came into the world by the first Adam, but by the second Adam [Christ} all shall be made alive. Christ is the first fruits [to come out of the grave to everlasting life], and then "they that are Christ's at His coming". There was death by the first Adam, and salvation by Christ Himself.

 

[Enow]

first thanks for the reply, second, let's put an end to this witness for God at Genesis 1:26. LISTEN CAREFULLY. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

#1. he, God was alone. #2. he, God was by himself. (so he didn't go through anyone else). #3. he MADE ALL THINGS, including us, and he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF".

Now, do you know what "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF", means? there is not anyone else around. that's clear as day.

Now if you have a good reason to contridict the scriptures please post it, else no need for any discussion.

PICJAG.

I have not forgotten Genesis 1:27 to the Genesis 1:26 that spoke of the plurality within the One God in verse 27.

That same Redeemer of Isaiah 44:24 also said that the Lord God and His Spirit sent Him.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

So Who is the Lord God and His Spirit that sent the Lord God Our Redeemer that taught us the way to go?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And that prophesy in Isaiah 48:16-17 was fulfilled at Jesus's water baptism when God the Father spoke from Heaven and the Holy Spirit alighted on the Son, thus having 2 Witnesses from Heaven regarding the Son to make the Father's witness of the Son true that He is also God of the One God.

So again, I acknowledge the verses testifying to the One God but you have yet to acknowledge the verses testifying to the plurality within the One God.

When the One God establishes a word in creation or judge any one like at the tower of Babel, it is done by the Three Witnesses within the One God.

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[Enow]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Beginning to think that there is more here than just creation.

God doesn't create something without form and void. So it had to become that away. A previous earth with people that was destroyed by the works of Satan. This would explain the bones of humans and animals that go back thousands of years. Why not, it would agree with scientist that put the age back that far. I feel sure that God would not create something that he made to look like something it isn't.

Believing the above does not take away anything we already know, it expands it.

If you read Day 2 creation account, that was the beginning of the earth being formed that did not exist at all by becoming a water planet with the upper atmosphere on day 2.

Day 3, the one large land mass appeared on planet earth with vegetation growing with maturity of seeds and fruits.

Day 4, that was when the heavens were created with the sources of the lights as God filled in the gap of its lights to shine on the "completely now formed " earth that day.

So the earth was indeed without form and void.. not there at all in the beginning. Void has been used by modern man to make empty, but void as it is used in the verse means nothing when the earth was without form.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Beginning to think that there is more here than just creation.

God doesn't create something without form and void. So it had to become that away. A previous earth with people that was destroyed by the works of Satan. This would explain the bones of humans and animals that go back thousands of years. Why not, it would agree with scientist that put the age back that far. I feel sure that God would not create something that he made to look like something it isn't.

Believing the above does not take away anything we already know, it expands it.

Or...a dark abyss was formed when God cast Satan from His presence, and then God shone in that darkness and created, and the darkness can never overcome the Light.

The beginning of the gospel of John leads us to the beginning of Genesis.