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    Wow lots of things I picked up in this thread, good one!:study:
     
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    Great post whirlwind...except for one thing. It is not possible for Cain to marry a sister because he was banished from Adam & Eve.Genesis 4:14 - Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
    Hi Jag....I hope you had a terrific Christmas and New Year.The reason I said it was possible for Cain to have married a sister is that it didn't state when he married. It could have been before his banishment. I personally don't believe that is what happened but it is a possibility.In the book Sargon the Magnificent the author laid some really interesting groundwork for the possiblity of Cain being Sargon where he ruled over those of that area. If he had superior knowledge, etc. it would have been very easy for him.I too believe he married into another group....those of the sixth day creation. If Cain was, as I believe, the son of Satan and Eve then he had attributes of the other offspring of fallen angels. That would certainly account for his evil ways.........Whirlwind
     
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    To address some of these points First of all God never changed his laws he fulfilled many of them after he died on the cross. In Gen he had not died yet. Second too take the stand that God had changed and said incest was OK is blashemy If thats true why was it not OK to comitt murder God hadnt yet told us murder was a sin anymore than he had yet told uus incest was a sin that doesnt chane the facts MURDER was a sin same as INCEST was a sin.God did not start the world with sin.
     
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    Great post whirlwind...except for one thing. It is not possible for Cain to marry his sister because he was banished from Adam & Eve.Genesis 4:14 - Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
    Hi Jag....I hope you had a terrific Christmas and New Year.The reason I said it was possible for Cain to have married a sister is that it didn't state when he married. It could have been before his banishment. I personally don't believe that is what happened but it is a possibility.In the book Sargon the Magnificent the author laid some really interesting groundwork for the possiblity of Cain being Sargon where he ruled over those of that area. If he had superior knowledge, etc. it would have been very easy for him.I too believe he married into another group....those of the sixth day creation. If Cain was, as I believe, the son of Satan and Eve then he had attributes of the other offspring of fallen angels. That would certainly account for his evil ways.........Whirlwind[​IMG] We agreed that Cain did marry another group. The possisbility for a possible chance of Cain marrying his sister for me is 0% chance. Not only because the scripture did not say it, it is also because the world itself confuses me as I don't understand the world. I only understand what God is saying.Yes, I did have a nice New Year. Christmas...I'm not that fond of for a reason...but it was ok. Thanks for asking. Hope yours have a great holiday.Love you so much Whirlwind.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.(kriss;29303)
    To address some of these points First of all God never changed his laws he fulfilled many of them after he died on the cross. In Gen he had not died yet. Second too take the stand that God had changed and said incest was OK is blashemy If thats true why was it not OK to comitt murder God hadnt yet told us murder was a sin anymore than he had yet told uus incest was a sin that doesnt chane the facts MURDER was a sin same as INCEST was a sin.God did not start the world with sin.
    Bingo Kriss, As God did not sin. (ie Christ) It is common sence that He did not start the world with sin. I thank God for giving us common sense to know Truth.
     
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    After God rested he found he had no one to till the soil (what does a farmer do?)Plant seeds)So he created a special man differnt Hebrew Word used for this man than in the sixth day this was a differnt kind of man called THE MAN he put him away from the rest of the world into a Garden where he would be protected from the rest of the races he then tookwhat in Hebrew is a curve (most likely DNA not a rib) and made him a helpmateand called her Eve.Adam and Eve were the first in the in the Bloodline of which Christ would comeNow let me ask you all this do you have to have belief in Christ to be living if one does not have Christ as your savior are you not spiritual dead? So how could any of us be living with out Adam and Eve to bring forth the Blood line of the one that gives us lifeThis is the meaning of Mother of all livingNot that she was the mother of all the 6th day creation.
     
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    His wife could have been a sibling or she could have been from the 6th day creation. Who was the "everyone shall slay me?" Also he "builded a city" and that would require more residents than his immediate family.
    His wife could have been an alien from another planet. If we say what we believe it means and not what the Word of God says it means then all we have are opinions, we only have what we think it means. Is this acceptable with God?Can you please show me scripture where it says his wife could have been from the "6th day creation?" I can't find it in my Bible.God bless you,Agape
     
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    His wife could have been a sibling or she could have been from the 6th day creation. Who was the "everyone shall slay me?" Also he "builded a city" and that would require more residents than his immediate family.
    His wife could have been an alien from another planet. If we say what we believe it means and not what the Word of God says it means then all we have are opinions, we only have what we think it means. Is this acceptable with God?Can you please show me scripture where it says his wife could have been from the "6th day creation?" I can't find it in my Bible.God bless you,AgapeThe question is...Who did Cain marry if there is only three people left on Earth, and he was banished from Adam & Eve?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    His wife could have been an alien from another planet. If we say what we believe it means and not what the Word of God says it means then all we have are opinions, we only have what we think it means. Is this acceptable with God?Can you please show me scripture where it says his wife could have been from the "6th day creation?" I can't find it in my Bible.God bless you,Agape
    Can you show me scripture showing me he married some illusionall sister??can you show me why he had to have a mark to be reconized??can you show me where incest wasnt a sin and if so why wasnt murder alright to??Can you show me scripture telling me who lived in this city??can you show me scripture telling me why if you are right Cain is not listed in Adams Geneology? If Cain's son was the offspring of Cain and a sister they would fully be Adam and Eves offspring so why isnt Cain listed in Adams geneology??? And show me scripture telling me who Cain was afraid of for if incest was not a sin niether was Murder.No you have no answers only mens guess speculations that it not supported by Gods wordit is foolish babble by men that God started the World on sin I tell you all stop listening to guess's and babble of men and come to Gods words free of your preconceived non sense that men have filled your heads with
     
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    His wife could have been an alien from another planet. If we say what we believe it means and not what the Word of God says it means then all we have are opinions, we only have what we think it means. Is this acceptable with God?Can you please show me scripture where it says his wife could have been from the "6th day creation?" I can't find it in my Bible.God bless you,Agape
    God Himself tells us there was a 6th day creation. He Himself tells us that Adam was formed sometime after His 7th day of rest. He Himself tells us that Cain was banished, was afraid others would kill him, that he had a wife and that he built a city.......It wasn't necessary to tell us, his wife could have been from the 6th day creation. Those things couldn't have been done if they were the only people on earth.Consider too that Adam was the first of the line that led to Christ. Perhaps there were other 8th day creations too. We know that mankind, all the races, were created on the 6th day.....what if Adam was the first of the "ruddy" humans but others were also created. (complete speculation on my part but would answer some questions as to the Adamic line remaining pure)The Bible is about Christ and His family and how events in the world pertain to Him. It isn't a history book about mankind but about the salvation of mankind. By that I mean there were other races, other populated areas of the world, etc. but this story isn't about them. I believe it is completely accurate in all ways including when mankind was created but it doesn't detail their story except as it relates to Christ and His family.As far as incest I believe the first time God tells us of that is when Ham "uncovered his father's nakedness".....Then it was Noah that cursed the offspring of that union. Why he didn't curse Ham I'll never understand. I feel that was something learned from the fallen angels. One of the reasons for the flood!........Whirlwind
     
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    God Himself tells us there was a 6th day creation. He Himself tells us that Adam was formed sometime after His 7th day of rest. He Himself tells us that Cain was banished, was afraid others would kill him, that he had a wife and that he built a city.......It wasn't necessary to tell us, his wife could have been from the 6th day creation. Those things couldn't have been done if they were the only people on earth.Consider too that Adam was the first of the line that led to Christ. Perhaps there were other 8th day creations too. We know that mankind, all the races, were created on the 6th day.....what if Adam was the first of the "ruddy" humans but others were also created. (complete speculation on my part but would answer some questions as to the Adamic line remaining pure).
    God made Adam and Eve some time after the 7th day, so how can you say that the woman Cain married could have been from the 6th day creation? He did not create anyone else. Adam and Eve had children other than Cain, Abel and Seth. Everything you are saying is what you think or believe and not what the Word of God teaches. I explained it all in my post. Please read:The ONLY persons available for the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve to marry were each other. Cain married his sister, as did Abel, Seth and the other children. In our day the bloodlines have become so contaminated that intra-family marriage is forbidden by law as too many undesirable characteristics come out with close in-breeding of humans. But Adam's children could only marry each other.The sons of Adam married their own sisters. If we had pure bloodstreams, we could marry our sisters. The reason we are not allowed now to marry our sisters is that the impurities in our blood would cause complications in the following generations.Because of purer blood people lived long lives as the earlier Biblical records tell. Some people explain early man's longevity by saying their years weren't as long as ours. But time then was the same as now. The reason for such longevity was that their blood so contaminated, so impure. Marriage and sin eventually began to produce weaker people who, therefore, died at an earlier age.According to Genesis 4:16 Cain dwelled in the city of Nod and there he "knew" (had physical relations with) his wife (sister) and she bore a son called Enoch. The Bible does not say that Cain met his wife in Nod. It says that he went to Nod and then “knew” his wife and she conceived and bore Enoch. More likely, Cain was already married before he went to Nod.When Adam was 130 years old another son was born to him and Eve who was named Seth. He, too, took a sister for his wife, and they had children and many grandchildren. The generations of Adam under the line of Seth called on the name of the Lord (Gen. 4:25-26).Recorded in the book of Genesis, chapter 5 are the generations of Adam, beginning with Seth (Genesis 5:3) all the way to Lamech, who lived one hundred and eight-two years and had a son, called Noah (5:30-32).Genesis 5:1 --- This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness [image] of God made he him;The line of Cain is not specified in Genesis 5 because Cain did not call on the name of the Lord. The line of Seth is recorded it was from his bloodline or progeny that Christ, the Messiah, would be born.Genesis 5:2 --- Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.Genesis 5:3 --- And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:Genesis 5:4 --- And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:Verse 4 is not saying that Adam did not have sons and "daughters" until 800 years after he had Seth. It says "and the days" of Adam, after he had Seth, was 800 years. Within the 930-year time period Adam lived, he had sons AND daughters. This tells us that Adam had many other sons and daughters who are not specifically named in the Scriptures. These "daughter" became the wives for the "sons" of Adam.Scripture makes it clear that mankind is the offspring of Adam, the first man. Who did Cain marry? Whom did Cain marry? He married his sister. Finding a mate was no problem, because as Genesis 5:4 says ---"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.God bless you,Agape
     
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    God made Adam and Eve some time after the 7th day, so how can you say that the woman Cain married could have been from the 6th day creation? He did not create anyone else. Adam and Eve had children other than Cain, Abel and Seth. Everything you are saying is what you think or believe and not what the Word of God teaches. I explained it all in my post. Please read:The ONLY persons available for the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve to marry were each other. Cain married his sister, as did Abel, Seth and the other children. In our day the bloodlines have become so contaminated that intra-family marriage is forbidden by law as too many undesirable characteristics come out with close in-breeding of humans. But Adam's children could only marry each other.The sons of Adam married their own sisters. If we had pure bloodstreams, we could marry our sisters. The reason we are not allowed now to marry our sisters is that the impurities in our blood would cause complications in the following generations.Because of purer blood people lived long lives as the earlier Biblical records tell. Some people explain early man's longevity by saying their years weren't as long as ours. But time then was the same as now. The reason for such longevity was that their blood so contaminated, so impure. Marriage and sin eventually began to produce weaker people who, therefore, died at an earlier age.According to Genesis 4:16 Cain dwelled in the city of Nod and there he "knew" (had physical relations with) his wife (sister) and she bore a son called Enoch. The Bible does not say that Cain met his wife in Nod. It says that he went to Nod and then “knew” his wife and she conceived and bore Enoch. More likely, Cain was already married before he went to Nod.When Adam was 130 years old another son was born to him and Eve who was named Seth. He, too, took a sister for his wife, and they had children and many grandchildren. The generations of Adam under the line of Seth called on the name of the Lord (Gen. 4:25-26).Recorded in the book of Genesis, chapter 5 are the generations of Adam, beginning with Seth (Genesis 5:3) all the way to Lamech, who lived one hundred and eight-two years and had a son, called Noah (5:30-32).Genesis 5:1 --- This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness [image] of God made he him;The line of Cain is not specified in Genesis 5 because Cain did not call on the name of the Lord. The line of Seth is recorded it was from his bloodline or progeny that Christ, the Messiah, would be born.Genesis 5:2 --- Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.Genesis 5:3 --- And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:Genesis 5:4 --- And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:Verse 4 is not saying that Adam did not have sons and "daughters" until 800 years after he had Seth. It says "and the days" of Adam, after he had Seth, was 800 years. Within the 930-year time period Adam lived, he had sons AND daughters. This tells us that Adam had many other sons and daughters who are not specifically named in the Scriptures. These "daughter" became the wives for the "sons" of Adam.Scripture makes it clear that mankind is the offspring of Adam, the first man. Who did Cain marry? Whom did Cain marry? He married his sister. Finding a mate was no problem, because as Genesis 5:4 says ---"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.God bless you,Agape
    Try reading Genesis 1:26-28 and Genesis 1:31JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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    We are told that sin was introduced into the world by Adam. (Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned)But wait! Cain's wife must've been sinless, correct? Since she wasn't "from Adam." And not just her, but all of the "sixth day people".... all those other races.. all sinless.Wow. So much for "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." [​IMG]
     
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    God made Adam and Eve some time after the 7th day, so how can you say that the woman Cain married could have been from the 6th day creation? He did not create anyone else. Adam and Eve had children other than Cain, Abel and Seth.
    The 6th day creation were around much longer than Adam's family. Cain (probably) married one of the those. Of course Father created others. All the races couldn't come from one man. I agree in that Adam and Eve had children other than those mentioned.
    Everything you are saying is what you think or believe and not what the Word of God teaches. I explained it all in my post. Please read:
    His Word does teach that. Usually once these facts have been brought to someone's attention they become very obvious and answer many questions that were unanswerable before.
    The ONLY persons available for the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve to marry were each other. Cain married his sister, as did Abel, Seth and the other children. ....{snip}
    That isn't written. We don't know.
    according to Genesis 4:16 Cain dwelled in the city of Nod and there he "knew" (had physical relations with) his wife (sister) and she bore a son called Enoch. The Bible does not say that Cain met his wife in Nod. It says that he went to Nod and then “knew” his wife and she conceived and bore Enoch. More likely, Cain was already married before he went to Nod.
    That is a strong possibility but we don't know...that isn't written.
    When Adam was 130 years old another son was born to him and Eve who was named Seth. He, too, took a sister for his wife, and they had children and many grandchildren. The generations of Adam under the line of Seth called on the name of the Lord (Gen. 4:25-26).
    Who Seth married isn't written but we do know that as he is the ancestor of Christ that his line was pure. When men began to call upon the name of the Lord was when they "began to call upon their gods or 'began profanely to call upon the name of the Lord'. Enos mentioned here (son of Seth) went the "way of Cain." ~ E.W. Bullinger
    Recorded in the book of Genesis, chapter 5 are the generations of Adam, beginning with Seth (Genesis 5:3) all the way to Lamech, who lived one hundred and eight-two years and had a son, called Noah (5:30-32).Genesis 5:1 --- This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness [image] of God made he him;The line of Cain is not specified in Genesis 5 because Cain did not call on the name of the Lord. The line of Seth is recorded it was from his bloodline or progeny that Christ, the Messiah, would be born.
    That isn't correct. As shown above, "calling on the name of the Lord," wasn't a good thing. They were calling on other gods or prophaning our Lord. The line of Cain wasn't listed in the genealogy of Adam because he was not the son of Adam. :eek:
    Verse 4 is not saying that Adam did not have sons and "daughters" until 800 years after he had Seth. It says "and the days" of Adam, after he had Seth, was 800 years. Within the 930-year time period Adam lived, he had sons AND daughters. This tells us that Adam had many other sons and daughters who are not specifically named in the Scriptures. These "daughter" became the wives for the "sons" of Adam.
    It is clearly stated that Adam had "sons and daughters" but not that they were or were not the wives.....we don't know as it isn't written. Remember, there is a possibility of others being created when Adam was (8th day) or of another "ruddy" complected race created in the 6th day. We don't know....it isn't written!
    Scripture makes it clear that mankind is the offspring of Adam, the first man. Who did Cain marry? Whom did Cain marry? He married his sister. Finding a mate was no problem, because as Genesis 5:4 says ---"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.God bless you,Agape
    To me, scripture clearly shows that mankind was created on the 6th day while Adam was formed on the 8th day. He was the first man in the line of Christ.God bless you too Agape :angel3:.........Whirlwind
     
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    Agapebelive whatever you like but we aready know the story that man guess's and speculates happened its just not what God says unless you can produce scripture saying differnt there no need to keep reapting the same old thing that scripture doesnt say.
     
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    We are told that sin was introduced into the world by Adam. (Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned)But wait! Cain's wife must've been sinless, correct? Since she wasn't "from Adam." And not just her, but all of the "sixth day people".... all those other races.. all sinless.Wow. So much for "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." [​IMG]
    Adam was the line to the Son of God. He was special. When he was formed it was to "till the ground." The ground, the earth is the field and the field is the world. He and his progeny were to plant seeds of truth in the world. They were to prepare the ground so the seed could grow. From Adam came God's chosen people....the twelve tribes and in turn came our Saviour.Those of the 6th day creation (all races) were here much longer than the family of Adam. Did God give them rules other than what is written? We don't know but it appears that His order to them was to be blessed and, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.......and, behold, it was very good."Biblically the first restriction or commandment placed on man was His instruction to Adam to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So....if there was no law or commandment to break was it possible to sin? Not that it was right but would God consider it a sin? Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:13.(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.I believe that scripture tells us that those that have not heard the word of God will be judged on their actions:Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.13.(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.14.For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:Each soul knows right from wrong, whether they know the letter of the law or not and will be judged accordingly......Surely it was that way with the 6th day creation as well..........Whirlwind
     
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    We are told that sin was introduced into the world by Adam. (Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned)But wait! Cain's wife must've been sinless, correct? Since she wasn't "from Adam." And not just her, but all of the "sixth day people".... all those other races.. all sinless.Wow. So much for "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." [​IMG]
    Exactly you got it there was no sin until Satan arrived not Adam and he didnt care about the sixth day creation he only cared about destroying the Bloodline Christ would come through. It also worth considering that Adam being thespecial Man the hebrew alludes too could have been the first with free will(though I admit the free will part is speculation on my part)
     
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    Adam was the line to the Son of God. He was special. When he was formed it was to "till the ground." The ground, the earth is the field and the field is the world. He and his progeny were to plant seeds of truth in the world. They were to prepare the ground so the seed could grow. From Adam came God's chosen people....the twelve tribes and in turn came our Saviour.Those of the 6th day creation (all races) were here much longer than the family of Adam. Did God give them rules other than what is written? We don't know but it appears that His order to them was to be blessed and, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.......and, behold, it was very good."Biblically the first restriction or commandment placed on man was His instruction to Adam to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So....if there was no law or commandment to break was it possible to sin? Not that it was right but would God consider it a sin? Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:13.(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.I believe that scripture tells us that those that have not heard the word of God will be judged on their actions:Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.13.(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.14.For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:Each soul knows right from wrong, whether they know the letter of the law or not and will be judged accordingly......Surely it was that way with the 6th day creation as well..........Whirlwind
    So you believe there could've been an entire group of sinless people prior to the flood? And even after if I'm not mistaken because I thought some (not sure about you personally) believe that the flood was not global.So we could still have sinless people around today?
     
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    Exactly you got it there was no sin until Satan arrived and he didnt care about the sixth day creation he only cared about destroying the Bloodline Christ would come through. It also worth considering that Adam being thespecial Man the hebrew alludes too could have been the first with free will(though I admit the free will part is speculation on my part)
    I didn't consider that Kriss...."no sin until Satan arrived." That and Adam being the first with free will gives one a lot to consider.........Whirlwind
     
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    So you believe there could've been an entire group of sinless people prior to the flood? And even after if I'm not mistaken because I thought some (not sure about you personally) believe that the flood was not global.So we could still have sinless people around today?
    I never said the flood wasnt world wide I only said the sixth day creation were without sin originally until Satan came to Adam and Eve to try to destroy the Bloodline of Christ. After the fall is when Satan and his fallen angels began to mate with the daughters of men the world became full of sin. Only Noahs Bloodline was left pure so God brought the flood. To save the bloodline of Christ
     
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