genesis question...

[whirlwind]

(Peacebewithyou;29367)
So you believe there could've been an entire group of sinless people prior to the flood? And even after if I'm not mistaken because I thought some (not sure about you personally) believe that the flood was not global.So we could still have sinless people around today?
No, I don't believe that at all. What I am saying is they will be judged on what they did during their lifetime but whether or not God considers it sin before the formation of Adam....I don't know. It appears from the scripture quoted in Romans that it is not.God doesn't tell us anyone is sinless....quite the opposite. But if they haven't heard the law they aren't judged by the law:Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;So...to answer your question, no one is sinless. But, I believe once Adam was formed things changed and that was way before the flood of Noah. There were NO sinless people before the flood which is why there was a flood. I agree with you....I don't believe Noah's flood was global. There was a world wide flood but it was what ended the first earth age before Genesis 1:2, when.....And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and this present age began.........Whirlwind

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29372)
I never said the flood wasnt world wide I only said the sixth day creation were without sin originally until Satan came to Adam and Eve to try to destroy the Bloodline of Christ. After the fall is when Satan and his fallen angels began to mate with the daughters of men the world became full of sin. Only Noahs Bloodline was left pure so God brought the flood. To save the bloodline of Christ
Except time wise that doesn't make sense.. why was Satan trying to destroy the bloodline of Christ? It wasn't until after Adam's fall that God tells he will send a Savior. (Gen 3:15) Satan is not all-knowing. How would he know that was God's plan?

 

[whirlwind]

(Peacebewithyou;29378)
Except time wise that doesn't make sense.. why was Satan trying to destroy the bloodline of Christ? It wasn't until after Adam's fall that God tells he will send a Savior. (Gen 3:15) Satan is not all-knowing. How would he know that was God's plan?
Satan 's rebellion and being condemned to perdition took place before this age, before Adam was placed in the garden of Eden. However, he has a job to do and God allows it.Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations.There are other examples of God giving power to Satan so he must know some of God's plan but apparently he thinks he can actually win!Both Satan and Christ were in the garden of Eden (the Tree of Life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) so some of God's plan has to be known to him. What wasn't known was how the free will of Adam and Eve would react to the temptation of Satan........Whirlwind

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(whirlwind;29386)
Satan 's rebellion and being condemned to perdition took place before this age, before Adam was placed in the garden of Eden. However, he has a job to do and God allows it.Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations.There are other examples of God giving power to Satan so he must know some of God's plan but apparently he thinks he can actually win!Both Satan and Christ were in the garden of Eden (the Tree of Life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) so some of God's plan has to be known to him. What wasn't known was how the free will of Adam and Eve would react to the temptation of Satan........Whirlwind
Where are we told in Scipture that Christ was in the Garden of Eden?

 

[whirlwind]

(Peacebewithyou;29391)
Where are we told in Scipture that Christ was in the Garden of Eden?
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.3:22 And the Lord God said, "Behold, the man is become as one of Us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever: _"24. So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.As the serpent was the devil and the tree of knowledge of good and evil...so was Christ the tree of life........Whirlwind

 

[Christina]

Do you know anything about Satan he has never changed he alway wanted to God why do you think he is Antichrist he still wants to be God Satan was who Christ conquered defeated on the cross Sin, death are all names for Satan it was Satan who intoduced sin

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(whirlwind;29395)
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.3:22 And the Lord God said, "Behold, the man is become as one of Us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever: _"24. So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the garden of Eden cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.As the serpent was the devil and the tree of knowledge of good and evil...so was Christ the tree of life........Whirlwind
Christ was a tree? Sooooooo don't see it ... ? Could you explain how you get that? Why would God put angels around Christ to protect him? Christ is God - He doesn't need angels to protect him at all. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29397)
it was Satan who intoduced sin
Not according to the Bible. Sin was introduced into the world through Adam: Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[Christina]

(Peacebewithyou;29405)
Not according to the Bible. Sin was introduced into the world through Adam: Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
My heavens peacebewithyou Who did Adam and Eve sin with? who convinced them to eat of the tree ?????????

 

[Christina]

If you dont know who the enemy is how you gonna keep from following antichrist?

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29408)
My heavens peacebewithyou Who did Adam and Eve sin with? who convinced them to eat of the tree ?????????
I know it was Satan who tempted - but I am told in Romans 5:12 that sin entered into the world through Adam. How do you explain Romans 5:12?

 

[Christina]

Yes all sin entered thru Adam because he was the first man who sinned he introduced sin into the world thats why he fell But it was Satan who instigated him to fall because Satan was the one rebelling againt God not Adam until he sinned. Satan was always behind it. Satan wanted Adam and Eve to fall because he knew they where the beginning of the plan (christ) to defeat him. Satan knew if Christ was born it meant his death. thats why he has always been behind the scenes working against Gods plan.Even now Satan knows he has but a short time for Christs death on the cross conquered him he knows he is doomed so God will use him to seperate the good figs from the bad or the wheat from the shaff but Satan is already condemed to death and he knows it

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29415)
Yes all sin entered thru Adam because he was the first man who sinned he introduced sin into the world thats why he fell But it was Satan who instigated him to fall because Satan was the one rebelling againt God not Adam until he sinned. Satan was always behind it. Satan wanted Adam and Eve to fall because he knew they where the beginning of the plan (christ) to defeat him. Satan knew if Christ was born it meant his death. thats why he has always been behind the scenes working against Gods plan.Even now Satan knows he has but a short time for Christs death on the cross conquered him he knows he is doomed so God will use him to seperate the good figs from the bad or the wheat from the shaff but Satan is already condemed to death and he knows it
How is Christ the Tree of Life and what's with the last verse in that chapter.. why the angels to protect Him?

 

[Jordan]

(Agape;29343)
(thesuperjag;29338)
(Agape;29336)
God made Adam and Eve some time after the 7th day, so how can you say that the woman Cain married could have been from the 6th day creation? He did not create anyone else. Adam and Eve had children other than Cain, Abel and Seth.Everything you are saying is what you think or believe and not what the Word of God teaches. I explained it all in my post. Please read:The ONLY persons available for the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve to marry were each other. Cain married his sister, as did Abel, Seth and the other children. In our day the bloodlines have become so contaminated that intra-family marriage is forbidden by law as too many undesirable characteristics come out with close in-breeding of humans. But Adam's children could only marry each other.The sons of Adam married their own sisters. If we had pure bloodstreams, we could marry our sisters. The reason we are not allowed now to marry our sisters is that the impurities in our blood would cause complications in the following generations.Because of purer blood people lived long lives as the earlier Biblical records tell. Some people explain early man's longevity by saying their years weren't as long as ours. But time then was the same as now. The reason for such longevity was that their blood so contaminated, so impure. Marriage and sin eventually began to produce weaker people who, therefore, died at an earlier age.According to Genesis 4:16 Cain dwelled in the city of Nod and there he "knew" (had physical relations with) his wife (sister) and she bore a son called Enoch. The Bible does not say that Cain met his wife in Nod. It says that he went to Nod and then “knew” his wife and she conceived and bore Enoch. More likely, Cain was already married before he went to Nod.When Adam was 130 years old another son was born to him and Eve who was named Seth. He, too, took a sister for his wife, and they had children and many grandchildren. The generations of Adam under the line of Seth called on the name of the Lord (Gen. 4:25-26).Recorded in the book of Genesis, chapter 5 are the generations of Adam, beginning with Seth (Genesis 5:3) all the way to Lamech, who lived one hundred and eight-two years and had a son, called Noah (5:30-32).Genesis 5:1 --- This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness [image] of God made he him;The line of Cain is not specified in Genesis 5 because Cain did not call on the name of the Lord. The line of Seth is recorded it was from his bloodline or progeny that Christ, the Messiah, would be born.Genesis 5:2 --- Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.Genesis 5:3 --- And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:Genesis 5:4 --- And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:Verse 4 is not saying that Adam did not have sons and "daughters" until 800 years after he had Seth. It says "and the days" of Adam, after he had Seth, was 800 years. Within the 930-year time period Adam lived, he had sons AND daughters. This tells us that Adam had many other sons and daughters who are not specifically named in the Scriptures. These "daughter" became the wives for the "sons" of Adam.Scripture makes it clear that mankind is the offspring of Adam, the first man. Who did Cain marry? Whom did Cain marry? He married his sister. Finding a mate was no problem, because as Genesis 5:4 says ---"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.God bless you,Agape
Try reading Genesis 1:26-28 and Genesis 1:31JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.I have read Genesis 1:26-28 and Genesis 1:31. And.... what is your point?The whole point is that I pointed it out. You said that there was no one existed before Adam and you also mention that he was created sometimes after the 7th day, I pointed it out that there was the 6th day creation (people)JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(thesuperjag;29422)
The whole point is that I pointed it out. You said that there was no one existed before Adam and you also mention that he was created sometimes after the 7th day, I pointed it out that there was the 6th day creation (people)JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
This whole other race of people though - through Cain - they would've died off at the flood anyhow. Only Noah's family survived the flood.

 

[Christina]

Most did die off but at least two of every race were on the ark There were only 8 of Noahs bloodline(adamic souls) on the ark but God says that two of eveything with the breath of life in it were on the ark (the races had the breath of life in them) there was the races on the arkBut the bible is the story of Christ not the other races It much like saying the smith family took a cruise now there are others on the cruiseship but we are only concerned with the Smiths.We know this to be true because we have differnt races alive still

 

[Jordan]

(kriss;29430)
Most did die off but two of every race were on the ark There were only 8 of Noahs bloodline(adamic souls) on the ark but God says that two of eveything with the breath of life in it were on the ark(the races had the breath of life in them) there was the races on the arkBut the bible is the story of Christ not the other races It much like saying the smith family took a cruise now there are others on the cruiseship but we are only concerned with the Smiths.We know this to be true because we have differnt races alive still
Amen Kriss. :blessyou:JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29430)
Most did die off but two of every race were on the ark There were only 8 of Noahs bloodline(adamic souls) on the ark but God says that two of eveything with the breath of life in it were on the ark(the races had the breath of life in them) there was the races on the arkBut the bible is the story of Christ not the other races It much like saying the smith family took a cruise now there are others on the cruiseship but we are only concerned with the Smiths.We know this to be true because we have differnt races alive still
Nope - not a chance. Just read all of chapter 6 & 7 and nowhere does it mention other people - in fact, God does say every breathing thing but then he goes onto give a detailed description of the beasts, birds, crawling things.Nowhere does He mention for Noah to take other people of other races. Nowhere. Besides, God is destroying the wicked - why would he want the so-called evil line of Cain to carry on? That makes zero sense.I smell a doctrine of man.

 

[Christina]

Again read what it says not what you belive or have been toldGenesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."Take note of the fact that each race of the sixth day creation are also flesh, and "after their kind", extends to them also. God stipulates "one male and one female". This is so each race can start over, and each of these persons aboard the ark then was covered under the covenant that God made with Noah.The flood was destroy all the wicked that doesnt mean some were not just average sinners

 

[Peacebewithyou]

(kriss;29440)
Again read what it says not what you belive or have been toldGenesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."Take note of the fact that each race of the sixth day creation are also flesh, and "after their kind", extends to them also. God stipulates "one male and one female". This is so each race can start over, and each of these persons aboard the ark then was covered under the covenant that God made with Noah.
Both, after their kind & male/female refer to the animals. You quoted v. 19 - the following verse elaborates.. 19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. 20Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. No mention of gathering other races - none at all. WHY would he want the evil Cain people on the ark when the whole point was to destroy the wicked? Your theory is WAY beyond what is written. It's just not there.