BarneyFife
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The majority of Sabbath-keepers who have posted here never force (how could they?) or belittle. Augustine wisely said that no belief system should be judged by its abuse.
God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week
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@BarnyFife,
I'm very much aware of Ezekiel 36. In fact I've used it many times to refute those that say they can be saved by confessing the Lord Jesus with their mouth, and by believing and accepting Jesus, which is a works gospel that people do.
I don't see the point you are trying to convey.
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I'm very much aware of Ezekiel 36. In fact I've used it many times to refute those that say they can be saved by confessing the Lord Jesus with their mouth, and by believing and accepting Jesus, which is a works gospel that people do.
I don't see the point you are trying to convey.
To God Be The Glory
BarneyFife
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I express it very plainly. Perhaps you don't want to see it.
Your symbolic interpretation of Matthew 28:1 is misguided.
The first part of your statement I disagree with and is FALSE! Matthew 1:21 reads: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins."
And in another place of the Bible Jesus said, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me and I will lose none of them." [paraphrased].
You said: "Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world" it merely means, that in all of the world Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God, is the only one that can take away sins.
Scripture and verse please.
There is only one everlasting covenant! The Old Testament believers looked forward to Jesus Christ while the New Testament believers look back to Jesus Christ. ONE COVENANT!
ONLY TO THOSE WHO ARE REPROBATES THAT HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER OF MATTHEW 28:1
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Well, what do want me to "see" that I have not already explained?
Is it because you do NOT understand that Jesus spoke in parables and without a parable He did not speak: that seeing they may see, and NOT perceive; and hearing they may hear, and NOT understand?
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BarneyFife
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I'll make sure to consult you to interpret all of Scripture as parable for me.
What does this parable mean?
Mark 2
9Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? 10But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) 11I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
9Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? 10But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) 11I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
BarneyFife
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GEN2REV
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BarnyFife said:
BarnyFife said:
JC, you are twisting scripture so badly that it's really hard to accept that you truly believe what you are claiming.
You have relentlessly claimed in this thread that Matt 28:1 is some end-all, be-all proof of Sunday Sabbath, or Bible-commanded worship on the 1st day of the week.
Literally … ALL that Matt 28:1 states is that one day ended (the Sabbath) and another one began (the 1st day of the week).That is clear for anybody to see.
You claim that Jesus is speaking in parable in Matt 28:1, but Jesus is not even speaking there. The author of the book of Matthew is narrating a historical event. There is very minor debate over who wrote Matthew, but traditionally it is accepted by most that it was the apostle Matthew.
There is absolutely zero debate that it is NOT Jesus speaking in that verse.
About your parables claim: Yes, Jesus spoke in parables when He was before crowds and His disciples asked Him about this ...
Matthew 13:10 "Why do you speak TO THEM (the people, the crowds) in parables?"
...but when He got His disciples away from the crowds, He spoke very clearly explaining what the parables meant.
Matthew 13:36 "Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."
It is silly to claim that Jesus always spoke mysteriously. That doesn't follow any scriptural theme at all. And Jesus would not do anything to encourage the kind of confusion that you are claiming and perpetuating. He is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33
Also, there is no scripture that God included in His Word (The Bible) that He intended only for certain people to understand. 2 Peter 1:20 No scripture was intended for private interpretation. If He didn't want certain information revealed, He wouldn't allow it to be written - just as He told Daniel and other prophets not to write certain things.
Please don't mock me or I might put you under Proverbs 20:1. You know very well [or do you know] that there is none that ever lived on this earth that includes the Apostles, who has a perfect understanding of Scripture!
My, my. Couldn't you have picked a harder parable? BTW, this event of healing the man with the palsy can also be found in Matthew 9:2-8 which is more detailed, if you care to look.
Every time we read about people being healed in the Bible, with their illnesses or someone with a withered hand for example and becomes whole again, it is a picture of physical and spiritual healing, in the sense that a dramatic miracle has happened to the man with palsy. Not only was his palsy physically healed but in his spiritual essence, we also see a dramatic picture of his sin sicked soul being healed as Jesus pronounced "Thy sins be forgiven thee,"
We also see this dramatic event at the cross as the Lord Jesus said to the thief, "Today thou shalt be with me in Paradise. A miracle of salvation right before our eyes.
If you are trying to equate verse 11 which has something to do with the Sabbath, I say you are barking at the wrong tree.
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The "MAN" He has "CHOSEN" is a far cry from the "MAN ORDAINED." This "MAN" is called JESUS [who is the second person of the Holy Trinity], also said: "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2: 19, 21.
I don't know what Bible you read but my Bible does NOT have a Book called Jubilee, therefore the bible you are reading is NOT inspired nor does it speak of a Great Sabbath of one thousand years, and therefore not credible![/QUOTE]
JunChosen,.... I'm aware of the weekly Sabbath as a shadow in which the reality that is to come is the Lord Jesus, but NEVER as the one thousand years from the day Adam ate of the forbidden fruit as you suggest.
G2R responds..... The reality of the weekly sabbath, is the seventh day, and the day in which Jesus who has been chosen as my King and high priest will rule this world for a thousand years. The seventh day from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in 'THAT DAY' at the age of 930.
[QUOTE="GtoR, post: 1101572, member: 12786"]Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which He shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a 'MAN' He has 'CHOSEN'. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that 'MAN' from death[/QUOTE]
JunChosen,..... The "MAN" He has "CHOSEN" is a far cry from the "MAN ORDAINED." This "MAN" is called JESUS [who is the second person of the Holy Trinity], also said: "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2: 19, 21.
G2R responds..... And you think that the words, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up,” were the words of Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, other than what he was commanded to say by the Lord God our saviour.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.
Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."
Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised Moses that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.
Jesus spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by the Lord God our savior.
Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus, the temple of the Lord, which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord who had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”
They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” who raised the body of Jesus, the earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.
Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.
1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.
2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
So now you can see that it was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, [WHO I AM] who said through the mouth his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke in ‘HIS NAME;’ “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”
JunChosen..... I don't know what Bible you read but my Bible does NOT have a Book called Jubilee, therefore the bible you are reading is NOT inspired nor does it speak of a Great Sabbath of one thousand years, and therefore not credible!
G2R responds..... How did Luke, (In 3: 35-36) know that Shelah is the son of Cainan/Kainam? You will not find that in Jerome’s translation of the Hebrew scriptures, your OT.
Now let me tell you from which bible I am quoting, “The Good News Catholic Study Edition.”
May the Lord God our saviour lead you into all truth.
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BarneyFife
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You just parroted the Scripture; you gave no parabolic interpretation.
And no, I wasn't alluding to the Sabbath; I just picked some words Jesus said that weren't part of a proper parable.
BarneyFife
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Jesus spoke plainly to his followers, it was only to the outers that he spoke in parables.
Matthew 13:34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
Mark 4:33-34 With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.
Mark 4:10-13 When he was alone, the Twelve and 'THE OTHERS' around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'" Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?
Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
Matthew 13:10-15 10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
Matthew 13:3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed.
To those who believe that Jesus only speaks to them in parables, reveal that they are not within the inner circle of Christ, but are among the outers, whose eyes have been made blind so that they cannot see, and whose ears have been made deaf so that they cannot hear, and their minds have been made so dull, that even if they could see, and hear, they would not have the mental capacity to understand what they had seen and heard.
Matthew 13:34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.
Mark 4:33-34 With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.
Mark 4:10-13 When he was alone, the Twelve and 'THE OTHERS' around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'" Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?
Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
Matthew 13:10-15 10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
Matthew 13:3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed.
To those who believe that Jesus only speaks to them in parables, reveal that they are not within the inner circle of Christ, but are among the outers, whose eyes have been made blind so that they cannot see, and whose ears have been made deaf so that they cannot hear, and their minds have been made so dull, that even if they could see, and hear, they would not have the mental capacity to understand what they had seen and heard.
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The Gospel of Luke, which states that Shelah is the son of Arpachshad, was written almost 300 years before the catholic canon which comprises of a few Books of the scriptures from which Jesus and his apostles taught, even came into existence.
And the Septuagint was a Greek translation of the then existing Hebrew scriptures some 300 years before Jesus.
The Septuagint Genesis 11: 12; And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and begot Cainan/Kainam.
The English Christian Old Testament, translated from Jerome’s erroneous Latin translation of the Hebrew bible that still existed in his day; Genesis 11: 12; “When Arpachshad was 35 years old he had a son, ‘Shelah’.
Jubilees[Chapter 8] 1 In the twenty-ninth jubilee, in the first week, [1373 A.M.] in the beginning thereof Arpachshad took to himself a wife and her name was Rasu’eja, the daughter of Susan, the daughter of Elam, and she 2 bare him a son in the third year in this week, [1375 A.M.] and he called his name Kainam. And the son grew, and his father taught him writing, and he went to seek for himself a place where he might seize for 3 himself a city. And he found a writing which former (generations) had carved on the rock, and he read what was thereon, and he transcribed it and sinned owing to it; for it contained the teaching of the Watchers in accordance with which they used to observe the omens of the sun and moon and 4 stars in all the signs of heaven. And he wrote it down and said nothing regarding it; for he was 5 afraid to speak to Noah about it lest he should be angry with him on account of it. And in the thirtieth jubilee, [1429 A.M.] in the second week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Melka, the daughter of Madai, the son of Japheth, and in the fourth year [1432 A.M.] he begat a son, and 6 called his name Shelah; for he said: ’Truly I have been sent.’
So, where do you think that Luke, almost 300 years before your sacred canon even existed, received the truth, that Arpachshad was the father of Cainam/Kainam, who was the father of Shelah.
But I suppose your holy mother church who sits on the seven hills has told you not to eat any spiritual food, except for that which she has provided for you. "BEWARE, THERE'S POISON OUT THERE."
Enoch is mentioned only three times in the Christian Scriptures; Genesis 5: 23; Hebrew 11: 5; and the third time that Enoch is mentioned is in the Epistle of Jude, who is also called Thomas Didymus Jude [The Twin], and who was born to the house of Mary the mother of Jesus and her husband, the carpenter, See Matthew 13: 55; Jude quotes ‘VERBATIM’ from the book of Enoch, again, some 300 years before your limited canon was even created.
The writings of Enoch were held in great reverence by the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Origen and Tertullian, and were cherished by the early Christians, up until the fourth century, when, they were banned by dogmatic Roman authorities such as Hilary, Jerome and Augustine, and by the end of the fourth century, they were condemned as being heretical, and they finally passed out of circulation by the middle of the fifth century (550 A.D. See Imhotep) and were thought lost for millennia.
The Stone that the builders of the Christian churches have rejected, turns out to be the most important stone of all.
365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the ANOINTED one, who was taken to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation at the age of 365 is the unblemished Lamb of God.
The Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good, who belong to the generation of the light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honor as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved my ‘Holy Name,’ and I will seat each one on the throne of his honor, and they shall be resplendent for times without number.”
But don't you worry about that mate, because it's not in Your holy canon.
I'm not a bit worried mate, cause anything that is written and not included in the Bible is a sure sign it does not belong in the Bible. God is the Author of His Word and He will see to it what books will be included or not included in His Holy Writ.
Yes mate, I assure you I'm not a bit worried!
Oh! You can make fun of me anytime you wish, only don't make fun of Scripture, that would be blasphemous!
And Jerome was the author of your erroneous OT, and the small collection of writings from which he created the limited Catholic canon, which included Jude, who quoted verbatim the words of righteous Enoch, which Jerome and his ignorant cronies accused as being heretical.
Peter speaks of the Day of the Lord, which will come like a thief. On that Day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth with everything in it will vanish.
From where did Peter, who lived 300 years before Jerome the author of your holy canon, receive the teaching that the heavens and earth (This universe) are to burn up and vanish? Not from your limited canon that's for sure
Peter could not have received this information other than from the writings of Enoch, who was carried to the ends of this period of universal activity, where he witnessed the heavens burn up and fall as massive columns of fire, beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss (Black Hole), which Enoch’s escorting angel described as the prison of all the stars and the host of Heaven.
You might not be worried, but if you wish to restrict yourself to the catholic canon. you must continue to remain Ignorant to the truth of God's word.
Did you know that Moses, while in Egypt studied from the words of righteous Enoch?
BarneyFife
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Thanks, but I was taught not to mix the sacred and the common/profane long before you came along.
Not to mention forum rules.
It's a good thing we have you here to straighten us all out.
Actually, I think I've had about enough of your pompous horn-blowing. Don't expect much response from me in the future. I've said more than I've needed to say to you directly, I think, at least in this thread.
Wait! Did you say I could make fun of you anytime I wish?!!! lol
Not from Enoch but from God as 2 Peter 1:21 reads:
"But the prophecy came not in old time, by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
There is no "Star Trek" theology in the Bible, and Enoch never wrote a book and ji he did and was inspired, then it would have been written also in the Bible.
[QUOTE="GtoR, post: 1102302, member: 12786"]Did you know that Moses, while in Egypt studied from the words of righteous Enoch?[/QUOTE]
Really? How come this event is not recorded in the Bible? Oh, I see, because it was not inspired.
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Not all just you! I believe this is what Jesus would have said to the Pharisees and Scribes.
Good! One down and - - - - to go?
Wait! Did you say I could make fun of you anytime I wish?!!! lol
Yes! And you can laugh all the way to ...... ?
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