God Commands Righteous Violence

[Matthias]

(sorry....from page 7 when I just HAVE to say something)

Let's just "cut to the chase" eh?
These pacifists are:

"IDOL WORSHIPERS"

Before you jump on his bandwagon -



He’s writing, in part, against this man. Believe what you will, but think it over real good.

 

[Jay Ross]

Maybe it is you who sadly deny the parables of the Minas and Talents is about divine justice?

Perhaps/maybe/undeniably, it is you has no understanding of the message in the parables of the Talents and the Minas.

Both parables were told by Jeus, the Parable of the Minas on Jesus' journey from Jericho to Bethany six day before the Passover and the Parable of the Talents two days before His crucifixion.

Jesus foretold us that Satan and the other rebelling heavenly hosts will be judged and kicked out of heaven and that they along with the judged kings of the earth will be imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. Isaiah 24:21-22 describes the events of the Armageddon judgement and that the judged entities, i.e. the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years during the Summer Season of the harvest of Souls.

Luke 14 tells us that the Israelites will attempt to rebuild the Temple, that shortly afterwards, that a King will make war, i.e., judge the kings of the earth and that the nation of Israel will determine if they have the means to overcome the King making battle with the kings of the earth and come to the conclusion that instead of fighting this King, that they should seek His terms of peace.

It is my view that we have already seen the signs and wonders that will draw the kings of the earth towards gathering at Armageddon, some 44 years before they do. Armageddon will result in the Covenant of Peace that God has promised the nation of Israel after He has removed all of the heavenly beasts and hosts from the face of the earth for a season.

We see Jesus being mentioned in Luke 14, but He is not found mentioned in the Luke 19 Parable of the Minas.

Both parables are not about Divine Justice, but about how Satan intends to oppose the establishment of, during the time of those kings, His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth.

Perhaps it is you who needs to take a deeper dive into what these two parables teach instead of the shallow dive that you already have which has led you to the wrong understanding.

Shalom

 

[Lambano]

Jesus is going to destroy his enemies when he returns.

...And those advocating violence contrary to Jesus's own teachings may well be included among them.

 

[Matthias]

Thoughts?

“As long as we keep thinking that peace can be achieved by getting rid of our enemies, we remain trapped in the world of violence and hatred.” - Henri Nouwen

The state can’t afford to think that way; followers of Jesus can’t afford not to.

 

[Wrangler]

...And those advocating violence contrary to Jesus's own teachings may well be included among them.

Jesus taught violence and will model more violence than any human in history; what are you talking about? The absurdity of the pacifist argument is the use the most violent person of all time as the ultimate standard of pacifist ideology,

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus taught violence and will model more violence than any human in history; what are you talking about? The absurdity of the pacifist argument is the use the most violent person of all time as the ultimate standard of pacifist ideology,

That just is not so. Jesus never taught His followers to retaliate with violence. Speaking to Pontius Pilate, He said:

NKJV Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here."

The apostle Peter wrote about Jesus:

NKJV 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
1Pe 2:22 "WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH";
1Pe 2:23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;

In Acts, we read a lot about the apostles and other Christians being persecuted, and some even killed, but not once are we told that any of them retaliated with violence.

 

[NayborBear]

"My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here."

............YET!
Psalms 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
This should show a difference between "servants OF Jesus Christ of Nazareth"
AND?
Servants OF "He who sits ON His throne!"
Right?

Is just that the pacifistic servants of Jesus Christ?
Have NO NEED FOR the Servants of He who SENT Jesus Christ of Nazareth WITH the GOOD NEWS!
EH?

 

[David Lamb]

............YET!
Psalms 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
This should show a difference between "servants OF Jesus Christ of Nazareth"
AND?
Servants OF "He who sits ON His throne!"
Right?

Is just that the pacifistic servants of Jesus Christ?
Have NO NEED FOR the Servants of He who SENT Jesus Christ of Nazareth WITH the GOOD NEWS!
EH?

Psalm 110 doesn't mention "servants of Christ" being violent.

 

[NayborBear]

Psalm 110 doesn't mention "servants of Christ" being violent.

So? What DOES Psalms 110:1 mention?
Perhaps something like:
"Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Lemme "attempt" to get you wise to a thing or 3 here.
Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes

So as you can read (which doesn't in any WAY mean understand) you see those "violent acts and actions" of the "elect" as enemies! What you DON'T see, is that these "acts of violence AND CONTENDINGS" for the "faith" ARE the "FATHER'S" acts of HIS "Servants and Priests" as "Making a FOOTSTOOL of Christ's enemies" BEFORE the Father sends Christ BACK at the "end/BEGINNING" of this current "slice of Eternity", into the NEXT "slice of Eternity" which is by general consensus, called "the Millennium!"

Which brings us to THIS!:
2 Timothy 2:10

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

What one's such as yourself, and many others DON'T realize, is that many of these "elect?"
Are ALREADY obtained salvation IN Christ Jesus!
Which is recorded HERE!:
Revelation 20:6

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests OF God AND of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Yet? Instead of cheering the Father's servants on?
You're in constant denial of what the Father's TRYING to DO!
And WORSE?
Claiming that we are PROMOTING EVIL!
Which causes this poster in wondering?
"Do y'all REALLY WANT the Christ TO return?"
Which begs the question?:
"Who's SIDE are y'all REALLY on?"

Jez a "note in passing" given for those "counting down" the "Rapture theory?" (jez for reference)
Pre Trib is already past!
And about 3/16ths INTO "Mid Trib!"

 

[David Lamb]

So? What DOES Psalms 110:1 mention?
Perhaps something like:
"Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Yes, that is God the Father speaking to God the Son saying that He, God, will make Christ's enemies His footstool. Notyhing about Christians being violent to their enemies.

Lemme "attempt" to get you wise to a thing or 3 here.
Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes

So as you can read (which doesn't in any WAY mean understand) you see those "violent acts and actions" of the "elect" as enemies! What you DON'T see, is that these "acts of violence AND CONTENDINGS" for the "faith" ARE the "FATHER'S" acts of HIS "Servants and Priests" as "Making a FOOTSTOOL of Christ's enemies" BEFORE the Father sends Christ BACK at the "end/BEGINNING" of this current "slice of Eternity", into the NEXT "slice of Eternity" which is by general consensus, called "the Millennium!"

First, although Romans 11:28 mentions the word "enemies", there is no indication that the Christians to whom Paul is writing are to be violent to their enemies. Here is that verse in the context of the surrounding verses:

NKJV Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "THE DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF ZION, AND HE WILL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB;
Rom 11:27 FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Which brings us to THIS!:
2 Timothy 2:10

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

What one's such as yourself, and many others DON'T realize, is that many of these "elect?"
Are ALREADY obtained salvation IN Christ Jesus!
Which is recorded HERE!:
Revelation 20:6

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests OF God AND of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Yet? Instead of cheering the Father's servants on?
You're in constant denial of what the Father's TRYING to DO!
And WORSE?
Claiming that we are PROMOTING EVIL!
Which causes this poster in wondering?
"Do y'all REALLY WANT the Christ TO return?"
Which begs the question?:
"Who's SIDE are y'all REALLY on?"

Paul saying that he endures all things for the elects' sake does not mean that he was violent towards those who opposed him. We never read of Paul reacting violently to those who persecuted him.

I don't understand where you get the idea that I am in constant denial of what the Father is doing (not "trying to do" - God does things: He doesn't try to do things. Also, where have I claimed that you are promoting evil? Where have I even suggested that I don't want Christ to return?

Jez a "note in passing" given for those "counting down" the "Rapture theory?" (jez for reference)
Pre Trib is already past!
And about 3/16ths INTO "Mid Trib!"