God does not have a timeline.

[Ronald D Milam]

God was not confused when He gave His Word. He told us exactly what He intended to.

Maybe the thought I connected with in your post there was this, that if we start off with the notion that we are going to adhere to the Word itself, we'll more tend to stay on course. But once we get the idea that we can start substuting meanings of words, and ignore the details in passages, the distinctions, we will end up with our own ideas, calling them God's ideas, but not to be found in the text, only in one's imaginations. Not good!

This is true, but in God's prophetic uttering He doesn't tell us things openly for reasons. If God stated Israel was going to rule the whole world under Jesus the Romans would have seen that as treason and killed off the churches who had those writings, thus he said THE WOMAN instead in Rev. 12, and instead of saying Rome or The Whole World (same thing at the time) was going to be Judged, God instead used the 7 Beasts Imagery in place of kingdoms and Babylon in place of the world, Babel is simply confusion, the whole world gets judged in Rev. 17 and 18 but God calls it Babylon, thus the Romans laughed and thought "these nuts think a Dead City is going to be judged". But as we read the bible, we can see who Babylon is, the Whole World who are so confused that they try to fight against their own loving Creator. We can prove this via scriptures.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake/Jesus returns), and the cities of the nations fell(Nations fall): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, God states emphatically that GREAT BABYLON was defeated by Jesus and given the Wine-press of His wrath. So, all we need to do to find out who God sees as Babylon the Great is to go see who Jesus defeated at vial #7. We do that by looking at Vial #6.

Rev. 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, who were killed at Vial #7 ? The Kings of the WHOLE WORLD !! So, God calls everyone who gathers against Him, to try and kill His son Jesus and His Israel peoples "Babylon the Great" its not even that hard to figure this out. This is my calling for 37 years, I see it. There was a reason Jesus talked to his disciples in parables, he told us, so the world hearing and seeing would not understand, but the disciples hearing and seeing would understand.

If God via Jesus talked in parables, He is doing the same thing in the bible, we have to search out His truths, men not of God can read the bible all day long and not get it, they can find contradiction after contradiction, but there are no contradictions in the bible, just people not led by the spirit and people led by the spirit, the former can't see but we can see, if we understand these things.

Of course you are going to have people, of Satan, who try to come in and confuse, I see it all day long. But God's truths are still in the bible, and they are not meant to be obvious in every situation. The good news of Jesus yes is meant to be simple, of course, but TIMELINES, ENTITIES, meanings of Prophetic Utterings have to be searched out.

The 144,000 = 3.5=5 million Jews who repent, just like the 10 virgins = 2 Billion people in Christendom today. Why people can grasp one but not the other is beyond me tbh.

 

[Truth7t7]

As a preacher of 37 years, called unto Prophecy, I have pretty deep insights to what is going on in the word sister.

Smiles!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Ronald D Milam]

These are all thoughts & options brother. God wouldn’t even know the things you speak of.

Advocate for evil and see what happens at the end. Be my guest.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks, but I was not looking for insight, but giving it: Christ is the End his disciples asked about.

Yes Jesus Christ will bring the end, at his second coming in fire and final judgment (The End)

 

[-Phil]

Advocate for evil and see what happens at the end. Be my guest.

When you speak of evil you reveal your ignorance of the very being you’re purporting to know.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

First, the rapture theory was invented by John Darby in the 18th century. Jesus will return once, not 1 1/2 times.
Second, your "infallible" claim of how many is saved and how many is not reeks of Calvinism.

Firstly, Paul told of of this MYSTERY Rapture. Anyone who can't understand the simple Rapture, I would never heed anything you had to say about Eschatology. PERIOD.

Secondly, can you count? In Zechariah 13:8-9 (read it) we are told 1/3 of Israel will repent. We know that 10 million Jews live in Israel and 15 million are alive world wide. So, but using basic math we can understand that 3.3 (3.5 I like round numbers) to 5 million Jews will repent. Its nit my fault you can not discern the scriptures. As per the number of Gentiles, we know that all Christendom has roughly 2 billion people who say they are Christians, well using LOGIC we know this has to be the 10 Virgins Jesus is speaking about because half of them are left behind, so ALL who say they are Christians must be the 10 Virgins. But only 5 of the Virgin brides were ready, so a Billion or so are Raptured and thus a billion or not raptured. Since 5 are left they had to be FAKRES right? Since God counted both FAKES and those really in Christ, that tells us we also have to count ALL Christendom, its simple logic !! Therefore we know Jesus was speaking about all Christendom, and that is currently riughly 2 billion people, thus we know 1 billion will be Raptured. I can not help it if you can not logically deduce these things. That is on you.

Without repentance and an expressed desire to sin no more, absolution is meaningless. You have no clue what absolution means. You say you love Catholic brothers and sisters while bashing us with misrepresentations and lies. That's called hypocrisy. Fortunately for you, we don't hold invincible ignorance against you.

Keep trusting in it, I am afraid you may find out too late you trusted in men over God.

We leave judgement up to God, you have taken judgement of others unto yourself. 37 years of bondage to self. St's Peter and Paul were set free. I know you want to be a good preacher so it would be a good idea to examine the similarities you share with those 2 great pillars. Have a look at post #206 in this thread and maybe you will understand what I am talking about.

I can DESTROY this wrong think brother. We leave condemnation unto God, not Judgment, I can show you multi places throughout the bible where judgment is used, the whole book of Judges. Paul and Peter over and over Judges men. Jesus never told us not to Judge, we are commanded to judge.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Jesus was telling us not to Judge unless we ourselves wanted to be judged, then he says for with what Judgment ye judge, it will be measured unto you. This simply means put on Christ and judge righteously. What parent would tell their kids not to judge? It makes no sense at all, and Jesus never told us not to Judge, that is Satan slipping in his untruths.

Should we tell our young kids, hey when your ball goes across the street DON'T JUDGE if a car is coming, just run and get it. Or when they go to school would we say, hey its OK hang with who you want to, even if they sell drugs or run in rough crowds. No, we have to teach our own kids JUDGMENT every day, God commands us to JUDGE ALSO, in order to go around troubles, to stay clear of trouble, to not hang out with bad influencers etc. etc. Of course we are to judge, we just are not to condemn, any person, even a homosexual, can still make heaven by turning from their sins, BUT.......Just like Jesus told the woman taken in sin, whom he did not condemn (to death), he also told her her whole life's story, before ALL MEN, her different husbands and about some who were not even her husband. THEN he told her go and sin no more. So, Jesus judged her, but did not condemn her, that condemnation comes after death.

You see that perfect example? Jesus did not CONDEMN her at that time, but he did JUDGE HER SINS, and told her to REPENT. Condemnation and Judgment are very, very different, we can never condemn, we do not have that authority, but we are commanded by God to judge the wicked peoples sins, and if we do not warn them, then their blood will be on our hands !! Sometimes I think the lost understand these things more than Christians.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

When you speak of evil you reveal your ignorance of the very being you’re purporting to know.

Too funny......I don't take you serious, so if I do not reply to you , you should know why?

 

[-Phil]

Too funny......I don't take you serious, so if I do not reply to you , you should know why?

I don’t take me seriously either. For what it’s worth, there is an end to the suffering. It requires a little introspection & self-reflection. After 37 years, maybe take a break from your disservice and reconnect with yourself. If you do I guarantee you’ll never regret having done so.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Well, maybe you need to study harder and find out what they are teaching. The Mormons believe we are all gods did you know that? And the Jesus is just one of those gods. The SDA believe we must still work our way to heaven by keeping God's laws. Could there be some who go to those Churches who are real Christians but who don't believe in their beliefs? Maybe, but that is highly doubtful, why go to a church you disagree with?

The biggest problem with our church today is instead of overcoming darkness like the early church did by calking out darkness and evil, we welcome homosexuals to come and we (not me but others) celebrate their life styles. We refuse to call evil out as evil, that is why Molech has returned (sacrifice of babies). I will never allow it to stand, I say openly anyone who advocates for abortion or homosexuality will not make it to heaven without repenting. The bible doesn't tell us DON'T JUDGE anyway, that is another misconception Satan has put out in the arena.

Jesus said Judge not that you be not judge, then say FOR WITH WHAT JUDGEMENT YE JUDGE it will be measured unto, you. The whole taking the plank out of ones eyes is accreting Jesus and turning from darkness. now we can see to take the bord out of our brothers eyes. I want to be Judged because I am in Christ and thus God will see my faith in Jesus and his blood. Now go read Paul over and over and watch how he judges time and again. Oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched you !!

As a preacher of 37 years, called unto Prophecy, I have pretty deep insights to what is going on in the word sister. When you accept an inch of darkness, they will bust the door down and come in in heaps. God told Israel to kill every man, woman and child when they conquered cities in Canaan land, instead they let some live, these same people brought their evil gods unto Israelites and thus they started serving false god, and God refused to give Israel their full promised land. Their real promised land should have been from the Euphrates Rive all the way to a River in Egypt. But they disobeyed God.

I do not accept people who love evil as being of God. Only 50 percent of the Church will make the Rapture, Jesus stated he will have to tell many people, depart from me for I never knew you. So, tell me sister, when is the right time to tell these people they are ni6t of God? Now, or once they are headed to hell, many thinking they were of Gid !! ANYONE who even advocates for homosexual rights and Abortion right CAN NOT ENTER HEAVEN, and no man can give you that salvation. PERIOD.

You make extremely ignorant claims of others and judge off of that. Im sorry, but I just shake my head this.

May you ever grow closer to God.

 

[Illuminator]

WRONG.........The End is the End of the Age, study the actual word there brother. I have been doing this 37 years, I am pretty hip.

Evidently, you are too hip to see a compliment. Have a look at post #206 in this thread and maybe you will understand what I am talking about.

 

[Illuminator]

Secret Strategies of Satan​

Apr 09, 2021 / Post by by Catherine Frakas
Three Secret Strategiesof Satan to Destroyour Children, our Families, our Culture, and our Church
by John-Paul Ignatius, Legion of St. Michael(The first of several essays on the motifs and nature of the post-modern worldview)

Satan has a secret. It is the secret about his three primary strategies to destroy us. If Satan can convince our culture to adopt the philosophy precipitated by these secret strategies he can brainwash our children, disrupt our families, manipulate our culture, and bring apostasy within the Church.
All the problems that we see today in society and in our church can be traced to these three fundamental strategies. It is the basis of the politically correct movement and of the heresy of individualism. These strategies are the fuel that powers feminism, the engine that drives liberalism, and the vehicle of the post-modern worldview that predominates our world today and that contaminates the Church.
These three secret strategies are:

All opinions are equal
Never judge anyone
Never step on toes

No one escapes the sinister tentacles of these devilish doctrines; we are all contaminated by these strategies—every one of us. The question is not whether we are immune from these strategies, for we are not; it is not whether we are indeed contaminated by them, because we are; the only question is what are we going to do about it? How are we to exorcise the contamination of this pervasive worldview from our minds?
This essay will present the first step, which is to recognize the strategies for what they are.

Secret Strategies of Satan

Three Secret Strategiesof Satan to Destroyour Children, our Families, our Culture, and our Church by John-Paul Ignatius, Legion of St. Michael(The first of several essays on the motifs and nature of the post-modern worldview) Satan has a secret. It is the secret about his three primary...

saint-mike.org

 

[JasonTheServent]

It's just rubbish to say God had no timelines. If God had no timeline in His evolution into light than how does time exist when He clearly starts the Bible with In beginning. Yes it translates to in beginning. Man has added "the" to it deceiving you. It was inside of Beginning which is  an entity where He started showing us His evolution. Beginning is an entity in which YHWH's evolution into Jesus began. If God has no timeline than the means genesis is a lie and the light always existed and nothing came forth nor was created. Again just rubbish to think God has no time line. Take off your beliefs from your eyes when you read it because what you believe is clearly blinding you from seeing His time line of His evolution into Jesus. YHWH will evolve again. YHWH became the light. The light became the Lord and the Lord became Jesus Christ and after resurrection Jesus will evolve again and will even be given a new name. GODs time He uses to measure creation is the number of saints. Read revelation. When the number of saints is met its all over and everything will evolve including jesus.ie the new heavens and earth. Jesus will evolve and be given a new name on a white rock which no one will know.

 

[-Phil]

If there really were time we’d not need all these dream clocks.

 

[ScottA]

WRONG.........The End is the End of the Age, study the actual word there brother. I have been doing this 37 years, I am pretty hip.

So sad I just had to quote you Ron'odemus.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

So sad I just had to quote you Ron'odemus.

A quipster who brings nothing, but when he gets destroyed he brings quips. COOL. SMH

 

[ScottA]

It's just rubbish to say God had no timelines. If God had no timeline in His evolution into light than how does time exist when He clearly starts the Bible with In beginning. Yes it translates to in beginning. Man has added "the" to it deceiving you. It was inside of Beginning which is in entity where He started showing us His evolution. Beginning is in entity in which YHWH's evolution into Jesus began. If God has no timeline than the means genesis is a lie and the light always existed and nothing came forth nor was created. Again just rubbish to think God has no time line. Take off your beliefs from your eyes when you read it because what you believe is clearly blinding you from seeing His time line of His evolution into Jesus. YHWH will evolve again. YHWH became the light. The became the Lord and the Lord became Jesus Christ and after resurrection Jesus will evolve again and will even be given a new name. GODs time He uses to measure creation is the number of saints. Read revelation. When the number of saints is met its all over and everything will evolve including jesus.ie the new heavens and earth. Jesus will evolve and be given a new name on a white rock which no one will know.

No one may respond to you because you misspelled eternity.

But, no, your premise is quite unbiblical. God does not "evolve" but "is the same yesterday, today, and forever", and so is the kingdom of God and the new heaven and earth, as it is revealed in the book of Revelation as having "no shadow of turning"--no sunrise, no sunset--no time.

To the contrary, time is "created" and is "passing away."

 

[ScottA]

A quipster who brings nothing, but when he gets destroyed he brings quips. COOL. SMH

No, that was me being graceful.

And no, Nicodemus didn't "destroy" Jesus either--it was the other way around. But it would appear your pride is too great to take a hint.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

No, that was me being graceful.

And no, Nicodemus didn't "destroy" Jesus either--it was the other way around. But it would appear your pride is too great to take a hint.

Well, I have never mentioned Nicodemus, so I have no clue what you talking about tbh. BUT....I have studied words via their origins.

Original 1611 KJV bible

Matthew 24:24:3 ¶ And 1161 as he 846 sate 2521 z5740 vpon 1909 the x3588 mount 3735 of Oliues, 1636 the x3588 Disciples 3101 came 4334 z5656 vnto him 846 priuately, 2596 y2398 x2396 saying, 3004 z5723 Tell 2036 z5628 vs, 2254 when y4219 x4129 shall y2071 z0 these things 5023 be? 2071 z5704 And y2532 x2432 what 5101 [shall be] the x3588 signe 4592 of thy 4674 coming, 3952 and 2532 of the x3588 end 4930 of the x3588 world? 165

So, what is ENDING ? What was the actual question?

unteleia {soon-tel'-i-ah}

from G4931; TDNT - 8:64,1161; n f
—Greek Word Study

1) completion, consummation, end
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G4931; entire completion, that is, consummation (of a dispensation):—end.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
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#0165 αἰών aion {ahee-ohn'}

from the same as G0104; TDNT - 1:197,31; n m
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity
2) the worlds, universe
3) period of time, age
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G0104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, the Disciples wanted to know when the End of the Age was (not the World) and the Age they were referring unto was the promised coming Kingdom Age.

I need tuition fees for this !!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yea, I have just been a preacher for 37 years, I am sure you being a Message Board Warrior are much more informed (SMILE). You might want to try to learn to be cordial to brothers first, until you can learn that discipline I am not sure you can grow in Christ very deeply. One must learn to tame their tongue before they can tame their minds and hearts.

If you’ve been preaching for 37 years - you should be ashamed of yourself.

The things you claimed about Catholic beliefs and practices are patently FALSE – and, as a preacher, you should KNOW what the Bible says about the fate of Liars:

Rev. 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

And if you are going to accuse people of not being “cordial” – perhaps YOU should practice what you preach. Your abominable lies are what sparked MY righteous indignation.

No other man nor church can forgive sins, only God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. The thing you seem focused on is Jesus giving the Holy Spirit unto the Disciples in John 20::20-23. There is no Acts 1:29. So, Jesus gave the "Holy Spirit" unto the Disciples and told them they could remit sins or retain them, but of course Jesus knew they listened to the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit was going to be the one remitting sins or refusing to forgive. That seems to be missed by you !! Jesus was trying to demonstrate this new power of the Holy Spirit unto them. Because he was leaving, he wanted them to know they were not being left all alone, the Holy Spirit would operate just as he did and they could also operate that same way via the Holy Spirit................VIA the Holy Spirit.............. not of themselves !! The Holy Spirit would give the final approval, they still had to listen to God !! But Jesus wanted a SHOW CAUSE so to speak, so that faith could be built upon in men's eyes.

Now, do you think those evil RCC leaders are full of the Holy Spirit LOL, come on man. They are mostly, or 80-90 percent of the flesh, the love everything over God, Politics, Lusts, Greed, the Love of men etc. more than they love God, don't kid yourself.

And YOU judge ALL Catholics and their faith based on some bad leaders??
AGAINN – if you REALLY are a preacher of 37 years – you should know better than that.

Jesus WARNED about bad teachers:
Matt. 7:3-5
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time THERE IS A PLANK IN YOUR OWN EYE? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

If God worked His will through evil men like Pharoah and delivered truth through wicked men like the Jewish pharisees and scribes – WHAT makes you think a few bad priests in His Church are going to be able to destroy it?

READ your Bible:
Matt. 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, AND THE GATES OF HADES WILL NOT OVERCOME IT.

Almighty God is invincible – even if YOU don’t think so . . .
This is as stupid and hypocritical as ME judging ALL Protestants because of the actions of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker.
At least Jim Bakker was humble enough to admit that he was wrong.

Shame on you – if you actually ARE a preacher of “37 years“. . .

Well, you had the scriptures correct I see, I saw Acts 1:29 and there is no Acts 1:29 so it confused me.

It was a TYPO, Einstein.

Stick to the TOPIC . . .

By the way, if you are Roman Catholic, I take up for them all the time, they took the Gospel unto all the world from 400-1400 AD, it is their leaders that are evil. The Pope is not the False Prophet nor is he the coming Anti-Christ, that is ignorance at its finest. The Anti-Christ has to be born in Greece(Dan. 8:9), via an Old Assyrian bloodline(Isaiah 10), and then he must come to power in the E.U.(Dan. 7:7-8).

The RCC [leaders] of the 1300s to 1800s were pure evil go read about them as I have, the Church of England was just as bad, torturing confessions out of people !! If you trust in the RCC to absolve your sins then you might not make it brother. Trust in Jesus alone, remember, Jesus needed to leave a STRONG Church in order to gain converts early on, thus he left men he himself discipled !! He knew them, he trusted them, I doubt very much he trusts or even knows 90 percent of the RCC leaders, now the Priests may have a higher rate of salvation, but I doubt 50 percent of the Priests are of God tbh. Pssttt, only 5 of the 10 Virgins make the Pre Trib Rapture !! So, only 50 percent of the Church are even "real Christians" who are of God. Only 33 percent (1/3) of the Jews will repent, narrow is the road sir, thinking you can just join a church (RCC or any Church) and be absolved of your sins by men is wrong think, and will led many people to hell via a false belief. THE DIFFERENCE? The Disciples followed the Holy Spirit, most RCC leaders have no idea what that actually means.

I do not doubt the people who are Roman Catholics, but they make a huge mistake, if like Nancy Pelosi or others they think they can push abortion and homosexuality and get absolved from their sins, that sir is a fantasy. We must REPENT and thus TURN from sin before Jesus will pardon our sins. That's a fact, no church can absolve you nor I from sins. Your RCC leaders are not the Apostles whom Jesus trusted heard the Holy Spirit, most would sell salvation to a rich man for a huge donation.

You rave on about Catholic leaders from 500 years ago – yet you believe (and apparently TEACH) the UNBIBLICAL 19th century Darby-an invention of a Pre-Trib” Rapture”?
You just lost ALL credibility . . .

As to your Scriptural ignorance with regard to the Church’s power to forgive sins in Jesus’ name – dust off your Bible and turn to John 20:21.
Jesus (who is God) breathes out the Holy Spirit on the Apostles as he is giving them this power:
John 20:21-23
(Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, SO I SEND YOU."
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained."

WHAT did the Father “send” the Son to do?
To bring about the FORGIVENESS of sins.

The fact that Jesus breathed on the Apostles when entrusted them with this ministry is highly significant because he doesn’t do this anywhere else in the New Testament. In fact, there are only TWO times in ALL of Scripture where God breathes on man:
The first is when he breathed life into Adam. The second is here in John’s Gospel when he is giving them the power to forgive or retain sins.

Three times in the Gospels (Matt. 16:19, 18:18 and John 20:23), we read where Jesus gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins or to hold them bound. This is NOT something that Jesus took lightly.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Those books mentioned all come from the "Heretical" Alexandrian school, the same place the Arian heresy came from, they were not admitted to the Cannon of scripture for good reason, Origen and Arius from Alexandria were "Heretics"

And WHO decided that they the didn't belibg in the Canon of Scripture - God's Holy and inerrant Word??