Aspen...
aspen2 said:
So....your answer to my question 'how is it possible to know an unstable, unpredictable god?' Is that I cannot possibly understand because I am not a Christian? Is that like 'taking the fifth?' How convenient and sad.....
S: Heresy is sacrificing HIS sovereignty so that HIS goodness pleases you... is changing the all mighty GOD into corruption like if HE was a man or judge like one!
A: Once again, your relationship with God is fear-based. You sacrifice all aspects of God for His sovereignty. This mentality is what led to the election of Hitler, in Germany. The German people sacrificed everything for protection. What heresy are you referring to? How am I sacrificing God's sovereignty? Corruption is the same as sin - in my worldview, God cannot sin - according to your opinion, God can sin - how am I changing 'GOD into corruption?' Yep. I am judging God by the standard of His own Good nature - how dare you expect anything less from Him!
S: Unstable in your eyes...
A: Emotional stability is required to be predictable and therefore, knowable. If we could not know God, we could not believe in Him or trust Him or have faith in Him. If we were not able to trust God and His promises, all of the sinful, behavior of the people in the OT, which was based on their distrust of God would be justified! Indeed, how can you trust a God that is not faithful to His own character? If God is not trustworthy, we should be busy drinking and eating and making merry, because this is going to be as good as it gets - who knows if we are really saved? God might change His mind, right?? And, who knows, we could be saved and in Heaven one minute and damned the next, based on a godly whim.......
S: you search for a god smaller than a human even... because in your eyes you can change, but god can't.... you have the power to become good or bad, but HE does not...
A: You are terrified, without cause. Small? You mean like, petty? Prone to seeking revenge? Teaching His creation to accept a snake when we ask for a fish and pretending it is good? Why would God teach His lowly creation to be more moral than He is?
S: In other words, you just called yourself unstable.
A: Sinful, unstable, but vulnerable and practicing being faithful according to the sanctification I am receiving from the Holy Spirit.
S: You think God is like a chart that you do "this" a HE does "that"... you do not admit you enslavement nor HIS freedom. HE is not a machine nor a law, HE is ALIVE my friend.
A: Hold on, aren't you the guy that claims a killer doesn't have to kill anyone to be a killer - that he was created a killer and that is what defines Him? So why are you denying that God is Good and therefore incapable of being anything less than what He is?
God's actions have nothing to do with me and I have never claimed otherwise.
Enslavement? Aren't you forgetting that Jesus called us friends? John 15:15
Yes. God is alive - He is also perfect so He is unchanging. Change is a quality of imperfection - movement towards perfection or decay.
S: I didn't fail to explain, you fail to understand for that same reason in 1 Co 2:14... we see differently.
A: I am not sure you can see past your own fear in order to see what my perspective actually is.
Finally, declaring that God can sin because He can do anything is just like arguing that God can create a rock bigger than He can lift - it says more about the limits of human reasoning than God. We cannot fully understand God's omnipotence - so we shouldn't try to defend it at the expense of His mercy and grace and love. The only thing worse than sitting around trying to figure out how God can create a rock bigger than He can lift is wondering if and when He is going to crush us with it.
How convenient? Didn't Christ answered the same to the Jews... even in this you can't believe? Of course not, you think you have free will.
What more can I tell you Aspen? You don't believe anything, even if I show it to you by the bible like I've already done in many ways.
I have shown you all I said by the bible, you just don't believe because it doesn't make sense to you... I have shown you what should be your joy, and instead you refuse all.
All you're asking I've answered more than once, but you still make questions like it's the first time we're talking... GOD's goodness is not man's goodness and HIS justice and righteousness
are not ours, there's where you always fail because after all this you continue to judge HIM as a man.... when you understand this I'll continue, because what I should have shown you I already did, you just didn't believe it, and for that I can't do nothing else.
DAY...
God does not create evil. He does create the the environment (free will) in which it can exist. He permits evil for a time because he knows he can bring something good out of it. In Genesis Joseph told his brothers that what they intended for evil (selling him into slavery), God used for good (saving Egypt from famine). The same goes for Satan in Eden, what Satan intended for evil, God has used to strengthen our characters in His image. He did not need evil to accomplish it, nor did evil force a change in his original purpose in creating us.
Hi Day, well, I guess you know Isaiah ...
I {am} the LORD, and {there is} none else, {there is} no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that {there is} none beside me. I {am} the LORD, and {there is} none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these {things}.
Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! {Let} the potsherd {strive} with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
Woe unto him that saith unto {his} father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, {even} my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isaías 45:5-12
Tell why is this wrong?
Nowhere in the Bible HE says man has free will but the opposite its all over the bible, still everyone preaches free will... in many places HE shows and says directly that HE creates evil, still every one says "HE does not create evil". Why Day?
Let me hear your version too of why this is wrong...