God the Holy Spirit - third person of the Godhead

[Heart2Soul]

yes? at least that is my guess :)

LOL

 

[Heart2Soul]

This thread is about the Bible support for the personhood and Deity of the Holy Spirit.

John 16
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All thin 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are onegs that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


Matthew 28
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

1 John 5
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one


Matt 12
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled,

Rom 8
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Acts 13
2 As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away.

Heb 3
7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,



Did you see my response that nobody is claiming that "God is sexually a male and does not procreate"?? And yet is still "a person"??

That a "person" is what is referenced when in Acts 15 they said "it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay no further burden on you than this...".

That it is "A person" that is the "additional comforter as was Christ" another helper -- in John 14 and John 16.

That we do not say "it seemed good to the telephone and to us to tell the truth to you today"?

That in Matthew 12 blasphemy against Christ is forgiven but not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - ??



Indeed - teacher. paraklete

A person... not "the telephone" or a paper weight.
"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us " Acts 15.
"the Holy Spirit said..." Hebrews 3... not "that rocking chair said"




again... pointing to him as a person in the masculine even though nobody argues that the Holy Spirit is by gender or sex -- a male.



And of course we do not claim that "another advocate" like Christ -- would require us to argue that He is "not a person as-if Christ was not a person", because no one has yet come to the point of arguing that Christ is not a person.

Details matter


You are speculating. Speculation proves nothing.

Context and detail - prove everything.



From the standpoint of sex and gender - God is God and not "male" as we all know so then "HE" is not entirely accurate.

Still he is a person

The point remains.

Isaiah 55. …my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways…. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways. and my thoughts than your thoughts
Job 11:6-8
6 and disclose to you the secrets of wisdom, for true wisdom has two sides. Know then that God exacts from you less than your iniquity deserves. 7Can you fathom the deep things of God or discover the limits of the Almighty? 8They are higher than the heavens—what can you do? They are deeper than Sheol—what can you know?…

Cross References
Romans 11:33
O, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable His ways!

Job 22:12
Is not God as high as the heavens? Look at the highest stars, how lofty they are!

Job 33:12
Behold, you are not right in this matter. I will answer you, for God is greater than man.

Job 33:13
Why do you contend with Him that He answers nothing a man asks?

Job 36:26
Indeed, God is great--beyond our knowledge; the number of His years is unsearchable.

Most of what you are debating is from the carnal mind and it will never come to know or understand the Mysteries of God.....just believe....have faith...He will reveal to us what we need to know at the appointed times.

 

[bbyrd009]

word.

Now i would have to agree that there is a creature there, as God's Word does not return to Him void. When God speaks, something is going to be created, whereas we are more inclined to destroy i guess.

God's Spirit is One, whereas our spirits are many, bc we are easily possessed by other spirits, so the analogies only work to a point. But of course who wants to admit that they can be possessed by other spirits right

 

[BobRyan]

Isaiah 55. …my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways…. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways. and my thoughts than your thoughts
Job 11:6-8
6 and disclose to you the secrets of wisdom, for true wisdom has two sides. Know then that God exacts from you less than your iniquity deserves. 7Can you fathom the deep things of God or discover the limits of the Almighty? 8They are higher than the heavens—what can you do? They are deeper than Sheol—what can you know?…


..
Job 36:26
Indeed, God is great--beyond our knowledge; the number of His years is unsearchable.

Most of what you are debating is from the carnal mind and it will never come to know or understand the Mysteries of God.....just believe....have faith...He will reveal to us what we need to know at the appointed times.

Yep - God is infinite.

So our job is to believe His Word. Not debate against it.

 

[bbyrd009]

my position exactly, yes.

And if you don't agree with me--no, wait; "us"--well then you just don't love Jesus as much as i do! We do, i mean. ya, ya.

still ntmy tho, see ya manana

So our job is to believe His Word. Not debate against it.

they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

The hard part is choosing not to reject the clear and obvious text. The hard part is choosing not to stick our own bias in "instead". The hard part is to not let our tradition and conditioning dictate what we read -- and what we think.

ha, you're really just messing with us huh Bob

 

[bbyrd009]

But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"

logic is brutal, innit?

 

[Nancy]

Then my friend......... you have obviously not read many of his posts in the many other different threads !!

Glad I missed all that, lol. Do not even know this fish guy!

 

[Nancy]

Ha! Knowledge is POWER! Let that sink in!

And ignorance is bliss, lol! Who knows, maybe ignorance just might save some

 

[Nancy]

word.

Now i would have to agree that there is a creature there, as God's Word does not return to Him void. When God speaks, something is going to be created, whereas we are more inclined to destroy i guess.

God's Spirit is One, whereas our spirits are many, bc we are easily possessed by other spirits, so the analogies only work to a point. But of course who wants to admit that they can be possessed by other spirits right

It seems possible to allow ourselves to be controlled by other spirits if we allow unhealthy thoughts to enter our minds like, hated, bitterness, jealousy, self pity, etc. All of these things are sin and grieve the Holy Spirit who lives within us. Possessed though? Mmm, dunno bout dat..

 

[faithfulness]

It seems possible to allow ourselves to be controlled by other spirits if we allow unhealthy thoughts to enter our minds like, hated, bitterness, jealousy, self pity, etc. All of these things are sin and grieve the Holy Spirit who lives within us. Possessed though? Mmm, dunno bout dat..

Possessed though? Ditto
Six areas of demon work:
deceiving
tempting
vexing
depressing
oppressing
possession
But if you have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. James3:14

 

[Heart2Soul]

But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"

logic is brutal, innit?

Now "innit" is Okie slang so you are telling....ha!

 

[bbyrd009]

The hard part is choosing not to reject the clear and obvious text. The hard part is choosing not to stick our own bias in "instead". The hard part is to not let our tradition and conditioning dictate what we read -- and what we think.

i know the furnace is rough, Bob, i hope you understand i mean you no ill will ok, and ttfn

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

The answer to every post cannot possibly be a bit of creative writing and some random texts.

For bbyrd009 it is. Look at the track record. You're better off, responding to those with actual content bro. BobRyan. Save yourself the wasted time.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

These verses help me see God.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Deuteronomy 6:5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Just as we are a triune being, so is God, and just as I am one person with a mind, spirit and body, they also are one complex being that is everywhere at once. When the Word became Jesus, He emptied Himself. But after His ministry He asked the Father to glorify Him again with the glory He had before. He is now glorified, and they all are one again. All are omnipresent,omniscient and omnipotent.

It's not like you can pray to one, and the others don't hear.

 

[brakelite]

Unlike most here, I do not see the trinity, (of any hue or shape, for there are many) as being essential Christian doctrine. Because the doctrine of trinity is based on implicit teachings, it is an assumed doctrine. There is nothing explicit in scripture that theologically describes the nature of God. What we are given regarding the identity of the Godhead (not the nature) and that I personally believe indispensable, among a few others, are the following....
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (Joh 17:3 AV)
"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor. 8:6)
" But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." (Romans 8:9,10) Note that this is also concerning the identity of the holy Spirit, not the nature. The Spirit spoken of here belongs to God and the Son...a shared Spirit which they share with us. The nature of God I believe is beyond any of our pay grades to understand beyond what has been explicitly revealed, for example the human nature of the Son. I do not deny that the Spirit in some way has a personality...it speaks, hears, is grieved; however it is clear that the holy Spirit is not a person in the same sense we know God or Jesus as persons. At least in our human reasoning what we describe as 'persons'. )
"That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ" (1 John 1:3)
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."
(1 John2:22-24)

I would like to make one further very important point. Because someone doesn't accept the formal formulation the church calls 'trinity', this in no way necessarily denies the deity of Christ, nor does it mean a denial of the Godhead.
God begat a Son. He sent this Son to become flesh. He died and was raised which gives us hope of being raised also, on condition of our acceptance of the atonement made and our willingness to become obedient to all His commandments. God sends His Spirit to assist us in our walk with Him. Need I prostrate myself before Athanasius in order to be saved?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I would like to make one further very important point. Because someone doesn't accept the formal formulation the church calls 'trinity', this in no way necessarily denies the deity of Christ, nor does it mean a denial of the Godhead.

Now, I'm confused in your reasoning of not believing in the Trinity. By saying "deity of Christ" who is Christ, the Son or the Father? Is Jesus, God? If Jesus is God, who is the Father? Are their two gods? Is Jesus, the Father? If the Father is Christ, why call Jesus, the Christ?

 

[brakelite]

Now, I'm confused in your reasoning of not believing in the Trinity. By saying "deity of Christ" who is Christ, the Son or the Father? Is Jesus, God? If Jesus is God, who is the Father? Are their two gods? Is Jesus, the Father? If the Father is Christ, why call Jesus, the Christ?

Why do you need to ask all these superfluous questions? Accept scripture simply for what it says. There is one God. The Father. The Father had a Son, Jesus Christ, through Whom the Father created all things, therefore the Son existed before the incarnation. Being the Son of God, He has received from the Father an inheritance befitting a prince. His Father's name. God.
God is Spirit. The Son has the spirit of the Father... His Father's life, thought patterns, mind, character. The Son shares that same spirit, which is holy, with all who come to Him. That same spirit brings life and power to us as we believe... It is the spirit of God after all.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Why do you need to ask all these superfluous questions? Accept scripture simply for what it says. There is one God. The Father. The Father had a Son, Jesus Christ, through Whom the Father created all things, therefore the Son existed before the incarnation. Being the Son of God, He has received from the Father an inheritance befitting a prince. His Father's name. God.
God is Spirit. The Son has the spirit of the Father... His Father's life, thought patterns, mind, character. The Son shares that same spirit, which is holy, with all who come to Him. That same spirit brings life and power to us as we believe... It is the spirit of God after all.

You don't need to be condescending. I just want to know from what you've said, am I to believe you do NOT believe Jesus is God. Can you make that statement or not?

 

[brakelite]

You don't need to be condescending. I just want to know from what you've said, am I to believe you do NOT believe Jesus is God. Can you make that statement or not?

I am not being condescending. My answer is the very post you quoted...yor question, "Is Jesus God", and my answer …

Why do you need to ask all these superfluous questions? Accept scripture simply for what it says. There is one God. The Father. The Father had a Son, Jesus Christ, through Whom the Father created all things, therefore the Son existed before the incarnation. Being the Son of God, He has received from the Father an inheritance befitting a prince. His Father's name. God.

...can be found from scripture. Of course Jesus is God. All the evidence we need of Jesus deity is found in the fact that He is God's Son. The fact of His Sonship and the revelation thereof given to Peter is the foundation (rock) upon which the church is built. Not the trinity. Thus any further deductions regarding trinities and all its offshoots are superfluous.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I am not being condescending. My answer is the very post you quoted...yor question, "Is Jesus God", and my answer …

Why do you need to ask all these superfluous questions? Accept scripture simply for what it says. There is one God. The Father. The Father had a Son, Jesus Christ, through Whom the Father created all things, therefore the Son existed before the incarnation. Being the Son of God, He has received from the Father an inheritance befitting a prince. His Father's name. God.

...can be found from scripture. Of course Jesus is God. All the evidence we need of Jesus deity is found in the fact that He is God's Son. The fact of His Sonship and the revelation thereof given to Peter is the foundation (rock) upon which the church is built. Not the trinity. Thus any further deductions regarding trinities and all its offshoots are superfluous.

So you believe in a duity, leaving off the Spirit? Only the Father and Son are God?