"God won't violate your free will" they said.

[Behold]

These are for those who were chosen and predestined to believe.

No one is predestined to believe., but they are predestined to be "conformed", and "adopted" after they are "IN Christ"

You recite this (predestined to believe)..Hyper Calvinist lie, endlessly, because John Calvinism controls your thinking , and you believe its the Holy Spirit.

Thats what CALVINISM does to its deceived Disciples.

You have a measure of your own faith, which is no faith at al.

The verse does not say its "your own"..

It says "all have the measure of Faith"., because its God given.. Its a direct consequence that is a result of.. being this.. "Let US.. make MAN... in OUR Image""".........and THEY have Faith, and so does everyone who is made in Their Image.

Supernatural faith is a gift from God,

This is one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts that God gives to very very few Christians. And never will He give it to an unbeliever, who is not born again.

Where does God make himself known, by his supernatural rebirth,.. where do you know God and by whose witness?

Where does God make Himself known?

Romans 1 says......In Nature.

I see God :
In Beauty.
IN the Bible.

I understand that Love exists, only because God exists.


And where do i know God?
Its by being Joined to Him, spiritually as "in Christ"

Because God hasn’t brought them to belief in their spirit..

God does cause anyone to have faith......, as if He did that, He would not require our Faith in Christ.

Born Again of imperishable seed, you always leave that out,

Thats the seed of the word, enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

Like this...

Lets say that you are not a Christian.. and i have a conversation with you, about Jesus... about the Cross.. about your sin. ... about getting it forgiven..
And while you are HEARING ME preach This Gospel... the Holy Spirit reveals my words, about Jesus, to your HEART... as TRUE.

That is how God brings a person to see the Light............but the person this has to BELIEVE it.


So.....You tell us that God gave you the new birth first, while you were still in your sin... unforgiven....so that you finally have the faith so that you could Believe in Jesus.

That's impossible.

You unfortunately have no understanding of supernatural faith,

You falsely state that God gives spiritual gifts to unbelievers, to make them have faith.

That can never happen, as God does not cast pearls before swine.. God doed not take HIS Children's Gifts and give them to the Devil's owned.

 

[Ritajanice]

No one is predestined to believe., but they are predestined to be "conformed", and "adopted" after they are "IN Christ"

We are chosen and predestined to become Born Again.

You recite this (predestined to believe)..Hyper Calvinist lie, endlessly, because John Calvinism controls your thinking , and you believe its the Holy Spirit.

You always say that, because you are very limited in your understanding.of what it means to be Born Of The Spirit, therefore you play your Calvin card.

Thats what CALVINISM does to its deceived Disciples.

I’m a disciple for Christ, and Christ alone.

The verse does not say its "your own"..

It says "all have the measure of Faith"., because its God given.. Its a direct consequence that is a result of.. being this.. "Let US.. make MAN... in OUR Image""".........and THEY have Faith, and so does everyone who is made in Their Image.

None of that is biblical, just the same repeated understanding of what you believe Gods word to be saying.

This is one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts that God gives to very very few Christians. And never will He give it to an unbeliever, who is not born again.

I never said he gifted faith to an unbeliever, you said I said that..your lies of others need to be uncovered and that’s what I’m here doing.

Where does God make Himself known?

Romans 1 says......In Nature.

You cannot fully know God’s creation, not until he shows you and walks you through his creation ,in the Spirit.,you must be Born Again of imperishable seed, to be able to see God’s creation, we see his creation with the spiritual eyes he gifted us, when we become Born Of The Spirit.

I see God :
In Beauty.
IN the Bible.

God is a Living Spirit, he doesn’t live in the Bible.

I understand that Love exists, only because God exists.

I only understand Love Of God, because he first loved me in my heart/spirit, that is where we know his Love.

And where do i know God?
Its by being Joined to Him, spiritually as "in Christ"

That is not what God’s word says, we are birthed by the Spirit, then we are spiritually in Christ...you should know God in your heart/spirit, just as his word says.

I ask you again, where does the seed of God remain in us?

God does cause anyone to have faith......, as if He did that, He would not require our Faith in Christ.

Supernatural faith is a gift, you have no understanding of it I’m afraid.we can walk in faith after we have received the supernatural gift of faith..you need to know him in your spirit are you denying this @Behold ?

Thats the seed of the word, enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

Sorry, no, we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

He doesn’t say we are enlightened by the Holy Spirit..we are birthed ,not enlightened...

Like this...

Lets say that you are not a Christian.. and i have a conversation with you, about Jesus... about the Cross.. about your sin. ... about getting it forgiven..
And while you are HEARING ME preach This Gospel... the Holy Spirit reveals my words, about Jesus, to your HEART... as TRUE.

Sorry, that is not how we are birthed in the Spirit...we are Born Again by the Spirit we are not Born Again as you are explaining in your own understanding of God’s word.

That is how God brings a person to see the Light............but the person this has to BELIEVE it.

That is not how we are Born Of The Spirit.

So.....You tell us that God gave you the new birth first, while you were still in your sin... unforgiven....so that you finally have the faith so that you could Believe in Jesus.

That's impossible.

Never said that either, do you actually read posts.

You falsely state that God gives spiritual gifts to unbelievers, to make them have faith.

That’s a lie.

That can never happen, as God does not cast pearls before swine.. God doed not take the Children's Gifts and give them to the Devil's owned.

All of this is from your own theology, man made at that.

 

[Behold]

We are chosen and predestined to become Born Again.

Repeating that lie, that Calvin began, still wont make it true

You always say that, because you are very limited in your understanding.of what it means to be Born Of The Spirit, therefore you play your Calvin card.

You like to pretend you know what you are talking about. while you spread false innuendo.
Nothing new.

I’m a disciple for Christ, and Christ alone.

Christ is not a Calvinist, and never will Christ lead anyone to Calvinism.
He didnt lead you there.

None of that is biblical, just the same repeated understanding of what you believe Gods word to be saying.

Thats, Easy to say, when you cant' actually explain it yourself.

I never said he gifted faith to an unbeliever, you said I said that..your lies of others need to be uncovered and that’s what I’m here doing.

You called it Supernatural Faith, and that is defining it as a Spiritual Gift of Faith.

Try to remember what you wrote., as you wrote it.

You cannot fully know God’s creation,

Sure you can know it.

God says in Romans 1, that the unbeliever is without excuse as God is revealed to them, by Nature, by what is created.

God is a Living Spirit, he doesn’t live in the Bible.

Noone is going to accuse you of loving the word of God, or of knowing it.
No worries.

I only understand Love Of God, because he first loved me in my heart/spirit, that is where we know his Love.

That is you. THat is how you see it.

Whereas.... a Pagan... they know that God exists... they see His Creation, as His Love......
So, their faith is misplaced, as the believe in God's Creation, instead of the Creator... Yet they know that God is the God of Creation.

That is not what God’s word says, we are birthed by the Spirit, then we are spiritually in Christ...you should know God in your heart/spirit, just as his word says.

God's word says that all have the measure of faith, and that God wants us to put our measure of faith in Christ.

He shows us why we need to do it, when we hear the Gospel.. or see it... and the Holy Spirit reveals the Gospel as TRUTH.

This is "coming to the knowledge of the Truth"......and then the person puts THEIR FAITH in this Truth, who is Jesus.....or they choose not to.

I ask you again, where does the seed of God remain in us?

As our born again Spirit.

Supernatural faith is a gift, you have no understanding of it I’m afraid.

Its one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts, that Paul teaches that only the born again may receive.

Sorry, no, we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

We are born again by the Holy Spirit.... (not by water).

He doesn’t say we are enlightened by the Holy Spirit..we are birthed ,not enlightened...

We have to be enlightened.. first.... to understand what to Believe, and why... and then we place our faith in the Gospel, that is the Truth, revealed by the Holy Spirit , or we dont.

.we are Born Again by the Spirit

Only the Spirit of God can perform a spiritual birth.

 

[Behold]

Never said that either, do you actually read posts.

Youve never posted on this forum that God caused you to be born again, so that you could then have Faith?... as you didnt have any to give Him, until you were birthed by the Spirit... and then He gave you FAITH.

So, you are now saying you had that FAITH first, before you were born again?

In that case, you have changed your Testimony... , as its another Brother who told you that you are teaching that you are "born again in Sin". by teaching that you were born again before you had any faith.

 

[Ritajanice]

Repeating that lie, that Calvin began, still wont make it true

You are the one in error.

You like to pretend you know what you are talking about. while you spread false innuendo.
Nothing new.

LOL.

Christ is not a Calvinist, and never will Christ lead anyone to Calvinism.
He didnt lead you there.

Christ is who he says he is, it comes by divine heart revelation.

Thats, Easy to say, when you cant' actually explain it yourself.

I explained it well, like I said you are limited in understanding.

You called it Supernatural Faith, and that is defining it as a Spiritual Gift of Faith.

Try to remember what you wrote., as you wrote it.

Supernatural faith penetrates the spirit.it takes root and will grow, why, because it was planted by Gods seed.

Sure you can know it.

God says in Romans 1, that the unbeliever is without excuse as God is revealed to them, by Nature, by what is created.

Sorry, just explained how the Spirit walks us through his creation.

Noone is going to accuse you of loving the word of God, or of knowing it.
No worries.

The Bible doesn’t love you, the Spirit does.

That is you. THat is how you see it.

Whereas.... a Pagan... they know that God exists... they see His Creation, as His Love......
So, their faith is misplaced, as the believe in God's Creation, instead of the Creator... Yet they know that God is the God of Creation.

Disagree 100%.

God's word says that all have the measure of faith, and that God wants us to put our measure of faith in Christ.

Not biblical.

He shows us why we need to do it, when we hear the Gospel.. or see it... and the Holy Spirit reveals the Gospel as TRUTH.

That’s not how we are Born Of The Spirit.

This is "coming to the knowledge of the Truth"......and then the person puts THEIR FAITH in this Truth, who is Jesus.....or they choose not to.

Not biblical.

As our born again Spirit.

Our spirit is birthed, then it’s Born Again.

Its one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts, that Paul teaches that only the born again may receive.




We are born again by the Holy Spirit.... (not by water).

We are birthed via the Holy Spirit.

We have to be enlightened.. first.... to understand what to Believe, and why... and then we place our faith in the Gospel, that is the Truth, revealed by the Holy Spirit , or we dont.

Not biblical..we are Born Of The Spirit..we aren’t Born Of enlightment.

Only the Spirit of God can perform a spiritual birth.

Only the Spirit can birth our spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Youve never posted on this forum that God caused you to be born again, so that you could then have Faith?... as you didnt have any to give Him, until you were birthed by the Spirit... and then He gave you FAITH.

This is not biblical and is full of confusion, that’s why I refute it.

So, you are now saying you had that FAITH first, before you were born again?

In that case, you have changed your Testimony... , as its another Brother who told you that you are teaching that you are "born again in Sin". by teaching that you were born again before you had any faith.

I’m saying that you are trying to confuse me, because you haven’t a clue what I’m talking about.
.
You are 100% limited in your understanding. You don’t understand any of my posts , that’s why you come back with your own confused understanding of my posts.

You don’t understand supernatural faith and never will not unless God chooses to gift it to you @Behold

You understand your own faith, which is not the same as supernatural faith, that brings our spirit Alive...that’s how we can walk in faith after we have been birthed in the spirit...we then know God in our spirit, and our faith will grow, because it was gifted to us by God...His seed remains in his child, the seed is the Holy Spirit...that is the seed that we are birthed by.a Living seed.our spirit is birthed the seed permanently indwells our spirit.....it doesn’t enlighten our spirit it births it......sounds like you have a different faith to a few on here,..



We grow and mature in the Spirit, because we have been gifted supernatural faith.

I’m still waiting for you to explain where Gods seed remains in us?

 

[Behold]

This is not biblical and is full of confusion, that’s why I refute it.

You cut and paste verses you dont understand, or You just state that something isn't the way you believe it to be..

Listen, you cant be born again, until you give God your Faith, first.

So, your testimony, is exactly the opposite of that, reality.

No one is born again, to THEN believe.
That can't happen, and it didnt happen to you.

I’m saying that you are trying to confuse me, because you haven’t a clue what I’m talking about.

4 people, on this Forum, are telling you the same thing for 6 months..... and you just want to stay confused.
You're choosing confusion.

You are 100% limited in your understanding. You don’t understand any of my posts

Noone , has a CLUE as to what you are trying to explain.
I was reading GodsGrace post, hopelessly trying to decipher your bizarre comments, regarding spiritual things, and your own experiences..
And, its not even exactly Calvinism.......its some sort of hybrid predestination, meets Calvin.......false.theology.
The only person who will agree, totally understanding what you are saying... is Brightframe, and he's beyond Mars with his predestined calvinism, obsession.
Truly.

You don’t understand supernatural faith and never will not unless God chooses to gift it to you @Behold

Supernatural faith, is not "God chose to make me born again, so that i can now have faith".

Its not anything like that..

Supernatural faith, is a Spiritual Gift of Faith, one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts, only given to the born again.
Its like the Spiritual Gift of HEALING.
Its an incredibly rare gift.....hardly ever seen on this earth.
Its not Calvin's NONSENSE, = pre-destination to believe false theology.

You understand your own faith, which is not the same as supernatural faith, that brings our spirit Alive..

The only way anyone's spirit is brought to life in CHRIST, is when the Holy Spirit birth's the person's spirit.
FAITH does not do that........the HOLY SPIRIT Does that.... for the BELIEVER, after they give God THEIR Faith.

’m still waiting for you to explain where Gods seed remains in us?

I explained it, in a previous post.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You're choosing confusion.

That's rich coming from someone who choose to follow the false and unbiblical doctrine of so called once saved always saved!

 

[Ritajanice]

You cut and paste verses you dont understand, or You just state that something isn't the way you believe it to be..

I understand everything I post.

Listen, you cant be born again, until you give God your Faith, first.

So, your testimony, is exactly the opposite of that, reality.

You can’t be Born Again ,not until God gifts us supernatural faith, something you have no knowledge of.

No one is born again, to THEN believe.
That can't happen, and it didnt happen to you.

We’re you there at my rebirth, I think not, you just don’t understand that God brings us to believe, then gifts us supernatural faith.

4 people, on this Forum, are telling you the same thing for 6 months..... and you just want to stay confused.
You're choosing confusion.

You’re the one who is confused, my spirit has been birthed by divine heart revelation .

Noone , has a CLUE as to what you are trying to explain.
I was reading GodsGrace post, hopelessly trying to decipher your bizarre comments, regarding spiritual things, and your own experiences.

You certainly don’t, and still I await for you to post my error using scripture, not your own unedifying comments that in themselves are full of confusion.

.
And, its not even exactly Calvinism.......its some sort of hybrid predestination, meets Calvin.......false.theology.
The only person who will agree, totally understanding what you are saying... is Brightframe, and he's beyond Mars with his predestined calvinism, obsession.
Truly.

Show me my error using scripture..we come from mars, because you haven’t a clue what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed ..you seem to think that the cross of Christ birthed you in the spirit..that’s what you call bizarre.

Supernatural faith, is not "God chose to make me born again, so that i can now have faith".

Again, you are so confused regarding supernatural faith.

Supernatural faith, is a Spiritual Gift of Faith, one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts, only given to the born again.
Its like the Spiritual Gift of HEALING.
Its an incredibly rare gift.....hardly ever seen on this earth.
Its not Calvin's NONSENSE, = pre-destination to believe false theology.

Supernatural faith is a gift from God...

The only way anyone's spirit is brought to life in CHRIST, is when the Holy Spirit birth's the person's spirit.
FAITH does not do that........the HOLY SPIRIT Does that.... for the BELIEVER, after they give God THEIR Faith.

When one’s spirit is birthed only then can we walk in supernatural faith.

I explained it, in a previous post.

You explained your own version, which is far from biblical.

 

[Behold]

That's rich coming from someone who choose to follow the false and unbiblical doctrine of so called once saved always saved!

Deceivers always post their insignificant false innuendo toward me..., and post no actual quotes of mine....

So, that's you. @Dan Clarkston

See you there next time.

 

[amigo de christo]

Its the heart that aligns with the will of God, when we let the heart of God rule in our hearts, His will be done, there is no mistaking that fact.

A Born Again represents Jesus, they are led by the Spirit, they are brought to understand the will of God in their heart/spirit , which comes by divine heart revelation, which can take many years to understand.

Ephesians 3:17—“Christ may make His home in your hearts” “That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith, that you, being rooted and grounded in love.” Jesus Christ is living in our spirit. But from there, He wants to spread into the rest of our inward being, that is, into our heart.


So yes, when God shows you his will, or asks you to do something by divine heart revelation then without question, it will be done.

It may take a time to do his will..depending on God’s timing..His will is done in his timing, not our timing.

My opinion/ thoughts/ belief.
A Born Again does the will of the Father..but, as I explained, all in God’s timing...we are led by the Spirit, to do the will of the Father...

Free will . If we freely go against the will of the Father, it would be at our peril...I would NEVER defiantly go against God or his will ..I wouldn’t dare.

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1 Thessalonians 5:18 - In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

1 Thessalonians 4:3 - For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Jeremiah 29:11-13 - For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. (Read More...)

John 6:38-40 - For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (Read More...)

Hebrews 13:20-21 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, (Read More...)

1 Peter 2:15 - For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

1 John 2:16-17 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (Read More...)

Ephesians 5:17 - Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Matthew 7:21-23 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Read More...)

Matthew 6:33 - But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

John 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Proverbs 19:21 - There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

James 4:15 - For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 - For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (Read More...)

Matthew 6:10 - Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven

You wrote something lovely sister . you said its when the heart aligns with the WILL OF GOD .
Ponder on that sister . cause true this is .
So tell me what is the WILL OF GOD . TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . now that is a fact
and no scholar and wise man , though they try so hard , can DENY THAT .
WHAT does GOD desire . For man not to perish and to do that which pleases HIM .
WHAT , WHO did the FATHER TESTIFY OF . THE SON . YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .
Lets read our bibles only more so sister .
WHAT PLEASED GOD . FOR IT PLEASED GOD that by the foolishness Preaching to save those who BELIEVE .
To save WHO . THOSE WHO BELIEVE . i am so tired of watching people
try and find a way around GODS WILL and offer up rather a false hope to the world .
I OFFER UP only ONE HOPE for mankind . AND SISTER when i say only one HOPE
ITS THE ONLY HOPE SISTER . BELIEVE YE ON JESUS CHRIST . but sister
i got christains attackingme for saying so and exposing all other paths as false . SOMETHING IS GOING DEAD WRONG
within christendom . AND it wont save them , or the world they preach it too either .
I KNOW GOD DESIRES the death of none .
BUT mark my words satan desires LIFE FOR NONE and death of all . SO satan gonna offer up SOMETHING ELSE
which cannot and will not save one soul . People have turned on me sister . but i only pray for them
and still i desire only good for them . WHICH IS WHY I PREACH JESUS THE CHRIST . I KNOW HE SAVES .
satan cannot save . we dont heed satan , we lambs HEED JESUS THE CHRIST . Now hit the trenches sister .

 

[Ritajanice]

I ask you again @Behold ..where does the seed of God remain in you?

Plus you say you only know God through his creation, how do you know what you see outside is Gods creation?

just by reading your Bible, seriously Behold, you must know that thousands have never read a Bible..

You can’t read your way into the Kingdom Of God my friend..neither can you look to the cross and believe, if you look to the cross and believe, plus understand it, then you must already be Born Of The Spirit, you can’t believe in the cross, without the Holy Spirit witnessing that truth to your heart / spirit.

Only the Spirit can witness the death and resurrection of Jesus, it comes by divine heart revelation, that’s the only way we can possibly know that Jesus died and was resurrected.

Supernatural faith is a divine gift...the seed penetrates our heart/ spirit, that’s the part you have no understanding of @Behold ...that’s when we have been birthed.

 

[amigo de christo]

Me either.
That's why I am a Universalist.
It is not in God's character to create with the purpose of destruction.
But that is what mainstream Christianity believes. (sigh)

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what ever . I KNOW GOD desires the death of none . NOW That be a fact .
ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON that all who do BELIEVE will not perish but have everlasting life .
satan gonna throw out any kind of belief that sounds good
FOR ONE reason , HE WANTS THE DEATH OF ALL .
You see satan dont like it when man BELIEVES GOD and not HIM .
SEEN that at the tree . GOD said they would die . serpent who desired their death said SURELY ye shall not die .
SAME GOES TODAY . GOD DID SEND the way for fallen man to be restored , tobe saved
And said YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM . satan says OH naww YE dont have to believe . I DONT HEED the serpent .
NO man should and no lamb DOES . I HEED JESUS . HIS words ARE TRUTH and they are LIFE .
And its about HIGH TIME all who even use HIS NAME actually start TO TRUST IN HIM , HIS WORDS . or perish
by another version that the serpent says is of jesus . MY minds made up .
I KNOW GOD cant lie . I KNOW CHRIST cannot lie . but man o man , man can lie and the devil does lie .
WHO YA THINK i am gonna heed . a hint . GOD .

 

[Behold]

I ask you again @Behold ..where does the seed of God remain in you?

IN your born again Spirit.

Plus you say you only know God through his creation, how do you know what you see outside is Gods creation?

No, i never said that...
You are not being honest.

I listed at least 3-4 ways, I know God........including being joined to Him, Spiritually.

I then stated that Pagans believe that God is real, .. and they worship God's Creation, as that is their misplaced FAITH.

just by reading your Bible, seriously Behold, you must know that thousands have never read a Bible..

What?

What does your statement mean?

Listen, we are on a Forum, where, everyone has a bible, at least one.

You can’t read your way into the Kingdom Of God my friend..n

The bible contains the word of God, that explains the Gospel.
So, from a Bible, to a person... who preaches or teaches it....... to others, is how most people will be led by the Holy Spirit to give their faith in Christ, to God.

 

[Ritajanice]

IN your born again Spirit.

In your spirit, Behold once it’s been Born Again.

Are you saying that the Spirit doesn’t penetrate our spirit, when he births it?

The Spirit is birthed...it’s not enlightened to see the Kingdom Of God....thats false teaching of Gods word.

You may well be enlightened,but, no way is that the rebirth..you are in error if you think it is, who testifies with our spirit as he’s indwelling our spirit?

That’s what happens if one has been Born Again...you need the Spirit to witness that truth to your spirit , as he’s indwelling your spirit....after that heart revelation ,you then know who God is and can then start to walk in faith, because we have the Living witness ,testifying that truth to our spirit all day every day..why, because it’s the Living seed that penetrate the spirit and takes up residence in our spirit....hence we must be Born Again.

No, i never said that...
You are not being honest.

I asked you @Behold .how do you know that the creation you see outside , is Gods creation?

How would you know that?

I listed at least 3-4 ways, I know God........including being joined to Him, Spiritually.

We are joined to him in spirit, once we are birthed.

I only know of God one way, the only way , by divine, heart revelation.

I then stated that Pagans believe that God is real, .. and they worship God's Creation, as that is their misplaced FAITH.



What?

What does your statement mean?

Listen, we are on a Forum, where, everyone has a bible, at least one.



The bible contains the word of God, that explains the Gospel.

You do not need to know the gospel to be birthed in the Spirit, you only need to know of Jesus,no one can come to the Son except through the Father.

So, from a Bible, to a person... who preaches or teaches it....... to others, is how most people will be led by the Holy Spirit to give their faith in Christ, to God.

Don’t agree ,we are Born of the Spirit, you never know the time or place he will birth us..

You teach works salvation, imo, you read yourself into the Kingdom Of God..

..you say you were enlightened , God says we are Born Of The Spirit ,just like the wind,you can’t see it, no more than you can see the Spirit,but you 100% know when he births us, the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

You say you gave God your faith after he enlightened you and convicted you of sin,that isn’t biblical and that’s not how we are Born Again,

Your rebirth was nothing like mine.plus your Faith is it Alive and Active in you @Behold ?

Does the word of God His seed remain in your spirit?..once it’s been birthed.


For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight.


The Lord told Nicodemus unequivocally, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6). Only the Spirit of the living God can take dry bones, dead in trespasses and rebellion against God, and make them spiritually alive(Ephesians 2:1-5).

Scripture consistently teaches that faith is not conjured up by the human will but is a sovereignly granted gift of God. Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (John 6:44). And “No one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father” (John 6:65).

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to Original Poster,

It's true. Yahavah will not violate anyone and their freewill... otherwise God is similar to a despot. The angels in heaven had free will, there was some who chose to live their positions... and Yahavah didn't force them to stop. Adam and Eve had a choice, and they chose. Since God had reconciled the world unto himself, and restored everything back to the garden state, people choose the tree of life or the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Taken]

”God won't violate your free will" they said.

Correct.

From the Beginning of ManKIND of being…
God has “Desired” for ManKIND;
TO: FREELY (Heartfully) Choose & Confess
TO: Believe IN the Heavenly Creator & Maker
TO: Believe IN Gods Word
TO: Believe IN Gods Power
TO: TRUST IN God, against all Odds.

ONCE: a manKIND of being, MAKES, such CHOOSING & CONFESSION….

God Himself KEEPS the FAITHFULNESS of such mans Choosing & Confession VALID….ONCE and FOREVER…
BY, THROUGH, OF:
* Gods Word of His True Faithfulness ~
* Gods Supreme Power ~
Which is the very premise/meaning of the “saying” Once Saved Always Saved, and the “acronym” OSAS.

The OFFERING is FROM God TO Humans.
The FREEWILL TAKING of Gods Offering is per EACH individual Human.
The TAKING of/by ANY individual Human IS
Once and Forever KEPT BY Gods Power.

The Conundrum…
God HAS a “specific purpose” FOR “every” individual human being “WITH” Him.
WHAT is Gods “specific purpose” FOR YOU, (who IS “with” God)…??

Go here, go there, do this, do that ??

Huh? In the OT, it is explained through Visions and God SAID. (Such as to Adam, to Noah, Moses, to Abram, to David, to Jonah, etc.)

In the NT, it is explained through Jesus (Gods Word in the flesh body God prepared for human men to see AND hear.)
In the NT, it is explained through a LIGHT and WORD, that Saul SAW and HEARD….
In the NT, it is explained through the Written Word, that “such men”, (having freely Chosen and Confessed), WILL HEAR Christ Jesus’ VOICE.
In the NT it is explained, Communication BETWEEN (such men) and the Lord God…
IS (mans) spirit to (Gods) Spirit, and (Gods) Spirit to (mans) spirit.

Huh? Reading the Words…”SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE”….makes sense…humans hear talking.

IT IS MYSTERIOUS…
Hearing…for a human IS an AUDIBLE SOUND
Hearing…for a spirit IS more akin to a FEELING…(or borrowing the word Telepathy).

* I have NO “recollection” of the Lord God, “audibly SAYING TO ME”… do this, do that, go here, go there….
* “YET” … routinely I do have “a FEELING”…(outside of my own mental thoughts, ideas)…
To Do this, Do that, Go here, Go there…
* “AND” … “IF” such doing, going…is NOT in conflict with Gods “word”…
* I simply “take” that Direction as Gods “guidance”.

It is “no doubt”… at times “assessed” by our human MINDS, to BE a fearful, scary, thing…
To up and go here, go there, do this, do that….that we may FEEL being directed by God…
As Exampled many times IN the OT…
* AND the Consequences….Going, Doing…or trying to Convince God….uh…nah….”that’s too scary, or “THEY” to whom you SEND ‘me’ are NOT deserving”.
* AND God “REMINDING” man “stop you’re belly aching and mindful whining and deciding who’s who”.
* “Ding, ding, ding…. ”ME, I AM, ALLPOWERFUL…IS WITH YOU”…

IMO
Anciently we primarily find revealing of men of MANY years (age), to be the those having “WISDOM”….and the younger (age) more rebellious.
And the TEACHING (revealing) of exceptions of the “younger” also being WISE (ie David)…
And … my suspicion is JONAH…was “younger”….and “rebellious”…. And being taught a lesson in the WISDOM of “servitude AND expected compliance in his service, and the Understanding of the outcome”…
(Being a Servant OF God, demands the Servant to TRUST God when called for a Mission set forth by the Master (God) of the Servant.)
Jonah’s FIRST mission / task sent to Jonah from God…regarding the Big Fish…is revealed in Jonah 1 and 2.

Jonah’s SECOND mission / task sent to Jonah from God….is revealed in :

Jonah 3:
[1] And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,..

Just saying….God is not asking, demanding, forcing, human men to go here, do this, 24-7. “AS IF’ human men do NOT have a right to exercise their “FREEWILL”…to eat, drink, come, go, work, play, like, dislike, agree, disagree….etc. 24-7)…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MA2444]

Posting a vid is not an argument. We are free to choose and God is free to impose consequences on our choices. Nothing in Jonah contradicts this.

That's what I thought. A catchy title and a video does not an argument make. SO I think what we have here is someone who doesnt read enough and prolly heard in some guys video that God violated Jonas free will and received that as their truth. ??

 

[Wrangler]

That's what I thought. A catchy title and a video does not an argument make. SO I think what we have here is someone who doesnt read enough and prolly heard in some guys video that God violated Jonas free will and received that as their truth. ??

Thinking is hard. Many embrace the last argument or assertion they heard while inviting others to scrutinize it for validity. The unexamined life ...

 

[MA2444]

Thinking is hard. Many embrace the last argument or assertion they heard while inviting others to scrutinize it for validity. The unexamined life ...

Television did that to people. It feeds their brain images So they are not required to think and use their imagination to conjure images of what they are thinking about. So they get lazy brain and get programmed to whatever they put out that day on TV.

2 Corinthians 11:14
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light..../KJV

Now think about your big flatscreen TV. What does it do? It Emits Light! More light than ever with all their super HD and increased large pixel counts and all that. I gave up on TV. We all should. Then you imagination will come back!

That's what's great about ooks, it exercises your mind and you have to generate the images in your mind that the book gives you.

Hey I read scripture for an Hour per Day!
Yeah but how many hours watching TV? 12? 14? 20? Be careful!