Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

[PinSeeker]

I'll just say that with regard to this life, the Christian life, OSNTS (Once Saved Never Truly Saved) is... nonsense. And so is ORAR (Once Repented Always Repented) and OONAD (Once Obedient Never Again Disobedient). Oh! And one more: OSNAS (Once Saved Never Again Sinful).

Grace and peace to all.

 

[atpollard]

I'll just say that with regard to this life, the Christian life, OSNTS (Once Saved Never Truly Saved) is... nonsense. And so is ORAR (Once Repented Always Repented) and OONAD (Once Obedient Never Again Disobedient). Oh! And one more: OSNAS (Once Saved Never Again Sinful).

Grace and peace to all.

Even after 960 posts, the title still stands as they continue to prove they ...
"are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means."

 

[atpollard]

"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (or “Sin boldly”), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2 Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God’s glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner."
-Martin Luther

 

[PinSeeker]

Love Martin Luther. He was the first Reformer, you know. He gave a sermon (over 600 years ago) that refutes directly what Robert keeps trying (in vain) to pin on "OSAS." Excerpt:

"3. Paul does not teach that grace is acquired through sin, nor that sin brings grace; he says quite the opposite — that “the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,” Romans 1:18. But because the sins of men which are taken away are so grievous and numerous, the grace which drowns and destroys them must be mighty and abundant also. Where there is great thirst, a great draft is needed to quench it. Where there is a mighty fire, powerful streams of water are necessary to extinguish it. In cases of severe illness, strong medicine is essential to a cure. But these facts do not give us authority to say: Let us cheerfully drink to the full that we may become more thirsty for good wine; or, Let us injure ourselves and make ourselves ill that medicine may do us more good. Still less does it follow that we may heap up and multiply sins for the purpose of receiving more abundant grace. Grace is opposed to sin and destroys it; how then should it strengthen or increase it?"

"4. Therefore he begins his sermon by inquiring, in this sixth chapter (verses 1-3): 'What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?' In other words: How is it possible that because grace should destroy sin you should live in order to sin? And then, further to illustrate this, he says: 'Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?'”

"5. He speaks here in figurative language to clearly and forcibly impress this matter upon us; ordinarily it would have been sufficient for him to ask: 'How can we who died to sin still live in it?' that is to say, Inasmuch as you have been saved from sin through grace, it is not possible that grace should command you to continue in sin, for it is the business of grace to destroy sin. Now, in the figurative words above quoted, he wishes to vividly remind us what Christ has bestowed upon us. He would say to us: Do but call to mind why you are Christians — you have been baptized into Christ. Do you know why and whereunto you have been baptized, and what it signifies that you have been baptized with water? The meaning is that not only have you there been washed and cleansed in soul through the forgiveness of sins, but your flesh and blood have been condemned, given over unto death, to be drowned, and your life on earth to be a daily dying unto sin. For your baptism is simply an overwhelming by grace — a gracious overwhelming — whereby sin in you is drowned; so may you remain subjects of grace and not be destroyed by the wrath of God because of your sin. Therefore, if you let yourself be baptized, you give yourself over to gracious drowning and merciful slaying at the hands of your God, and say to him: Drown and overwhelm me, dear Lord, for gladly would I henceforth, with your Son, be dead to sin, that I may, with him, also live through grace."​

For the full text, click here.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[JesusFan1]

No where does it say we have to sin!

Nowhere does Scripture say it, but OSAS says it everywhere.

They call themselves sinners. Sinners will and must sin. It is their nature to do so. They cannot cease from sins.
They agree it is impossible for sinners such as themselves not to go on sinning.
They only speak of when they sin, never if.

Herego, they must sin. They have to sin. Otherwise, they would be disproving their own sinfilled doctrine.

OSAS cannot even consider not sinning today, because that would be the heresy of breaking their own doctrine, that they must sin today, because it is impossible not to do so, being sinners and not saints.

Not sinning is plainly heresy to OSAS, which is the only sin they will not tolerate!!!! To OSAS, only a decieved reprobate would confess not sinning today.

Nor is sin predestined by fate! It is foreknown by God from eternity past.

Foreknown of God but not predestined?? They first teach being predestined to become saved, because they are foreknown of God, and now they teach being foreknown is not predestined??

Anywho, it was foreknown of God before the foundation of the world, that the Lamb of God need be slain for sin, IF man transgressed the commandment: God did not make man to sin.

Once Adam transgressed, then God knew of a certainty his seed would sin by nature, until the Lamb of God should be slain, and now commands everyone to repent of sinning.

and nowhere does it give anyone a license to self justify their sin.

True again, Scripture does not. Which proves OSAS doctrine is not justified in their continued sinning.

Unconditionally secured salvation is the unjustified salvation for them unjustified with God.

OSAS Motto: "It is impossible to do what is not possible not to do; therefore, when we sin, we are only doing what we can possibly do. So we hereby pledge ourselves to celebrate our grace that God cannot possibly judge us for our unimpossible sins!"

Ceeeeelebrate that grace, C'mon!!!

None save Jesus ever practiced a "sinless perfection state"

 

[robert derrick]

None save Jesus ever practiced a "sinless perfection state"

True. And no man can ever practice the righteousness of God, and not the sins of the world, except in Christ by His Spirit and with the help of His grace.

OSAS deliberately exchanges going to sin no more with a "sinless perfection state", so that they can excuse not going to sin no more.

That is obvious, and is because they refuse to even consider 'if' they sin, but only 'when' they sin, which is because they choose to remain sinners rather than repent of their sins.

The double minded are in a wretched state of continuing in sins, but OSAS turns that double mindedness into a celebratory hypocrisy for life in sins by filthy grace.

But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Their heads are wounded by God, and their minds are corrupted by strong delusion from God, to go on sinning, while yet claiming grace of God to do so.

It's one thing to go on sinning in double minded wretchedness, but it is entirely another much worse thing to do so as a matter of faith to celebrate in.

 

[robert derrick]

The mischaracterization of and false allegations against “OSAS” (this is just one of a multitude) continues unabated. “OSAS” ~ using your silly vernacular ~ makes no such statement. There is one good, um, “Thing” dwelling in the Christian, and that’s God Himself in the Person of the Holy Spirit. Well, two, actually, the other being the righteousness of Christ.


This is what Paul, inspired by the Spirit Himself, says:

“The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.” (Paul, 1 Timothy 1:15)​

Was Paul (ultimately God) mistaken, Robert? Or was he lying? I say neither is the case, of course, but if what you say here is true ~ which, of course, is not the case ~ then one or the other (mistaken or lying) is inevitably the case.


of course, but the instruction is there for all readers and is just true today, for all, even Christians, those of us in Christ. If we say we have no sin ~ are perfectly obedient and therefore sinless (as you do), we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.


absolutely. And I can make the airtight case using God’s infallible, inerrant Word that this is indeed the case for all us. Like Paul we do the very things we know we shouldn’t do, and we leave undone the very things we know we ought to do. This is the “old man” in us, our sin nature, that we now struggle against, for the gory of God.


Yes! See above.


Right, but per John (and ultimately God Himself), those who think they have done this, are doing this, or that it is humanly possible deceive themselves and the truth is not in them. And that would be… you.


Absolutely. We agree on this 100%. Perhaps we can leave it at this.


Because John ~ God ~ says so. But fortunately for us, there is redemption in Christ, and forgiveness, and the absolute certainty that we will be rid of it when (not if) we are glorified.

Grace and peace to you, Robert. Especially grace, since there seems to be such a dearth of it in you.

Like Paul we do the very things we know we shouldn’t do, and we leave undone the very things we know we ought to do. This is the “old man” in us, our sin nature, that we now struggle against, for the gory of God.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Iniquity is willful sin: knowing it is sin. Knowing what not to do and doing it anyway, and knowing what to do and not doing it anyway.

A matter of choice.

The blessing of God in Christ Jesus is to turn from our iniquities like Paul did: not to go on doing them like OSAS does.

Them who do not turn from their iniquities, like Paul did, but go on to do them from time to time, like OSAS does, are them that willfully sin after having the knowledge of Christ Jesus, and so have no more sacrifice for sins while despising the Spirit of grace.

OSAS is not just wretched double mindedness in Christ, but rather is the devil's doctrine of going on willingly in their iniquities, while celebrating filthy grace and not being judged for them, all for the glory of God.

OSAS can readily prove this false by:
1. Confirming they do not willfully sin and commit their iniquities anymore.
2. Confirming the wretched state of double mindedness must be repented of to then have no more condemnation.

So long as OSAS continues to believe the strong delusion of having no condemnation, while yet going on in trespasses and iniquities from time to time, then they are them that tread the blood of the Lamb without shame.

They trust in the lie of Adam, that they can obtain eternal salvation while obeying and disobeying the Lord, doing both good and evil in His sight.

 

[PinSeeker]

So long as OSAS continues to believe the strong delusion of having no condemnation, while yet going on in trespasses and iniquities from time to time, then they are them that tread the blood of the Lamb without shame.

"OSAS" actually believe Paul (and ultimately God) and take him at his word:

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death."
[Romans 8:1-2]​

What you're missing so badly, Robert, is that the issue for those in Christ is no longer condemnation for sin, but rather ~ again, for those in Christ ~ consequence for sin. In other words, Robert, the fact that there is no more any condemnation for sin for those in Christ does not mean, Robert, that there are no longer any consequences ~ and even possibly severe consequences ~ for sin. Such would be the heresy of antinomianism. But yes, God disciplines those He loves. And we as Christians should welcome that discipline when it comes, and even praise God for it, as hard as it may be, because we know that God (as Paul goes on to say in Romans 8:28) "for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to His purpose."

What was that about "OSAS" "skipping" Romans 8? Or "never getting to it?" Yeah, no. LOL! Far from it. "OSAS" rests in it, in the assurance of God (which is what biblical faith is; see Hebrews 11:1) of it. "OSAS" actually believes that "...in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us... (N)either death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." So no, skipping or never getting to, or completely missing Romans 8 is a condition only mired in by, alternatively:

"OSNTS" (Once Saved Never Truly Saved)... folks who "understand" as you do
"ORAR" (Once Repented Always Repented)... folks who "understand" as you do
"OONAD" (Once Obedient Never Again Disobedient)... folks who "understand" as you do
"OSNAS" (Once Saved Never Again Sinful)... folks who "understand" as you do​

They trust in the lie of Adam, that they can obtain eternal salvation while obeying and disobeying the Lord, doing both good and evil in His sight.

Adam never lied in such a way. His failing was that he was a wimp for not standing up to the wife God gave him ~ for not keeping her to what God had told them not to do ~ and going along with her in her being deceived by Satan. Adam knew the right thing to do but didn't do it (which is a recurring pattern in the Bible, by the way), and therefore his sin against God was much greater than Eve's.

And ironically, it is "OSNTS"/"ORAR"/"OONAD"/"OSNAS'' who is deceived in much the same way as Eve and believing of Satan, actually, that "You will not surely die, but become like (God)." My exhortation to you would be to... repent and believe. Again, and again, and again...

Grace and peace to you, Robert.


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[robert derrick]

"OSAS" actually believe Paul (and ultimately God) and take him at his word:

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death."
[Romans 8:1-2]​

What you're missing so badly, Robert, is that the issue for those in Christ is no longer condemnation for sin, but rather ~ again, for those in Christ ~ consequence for sin. In other words, Robert, the fact that there is no more any condemnation for sin for those in Christ does not mean, Robert, that there are no longer any consequences ~ and even possibly severe consequences ~ for sin. Such would be the heresy of antinomianism. But yes, God disciplines those He loves. And we as Christians should welcome that discipline when it comes, and even praise God for it, as hard as it may be, because we know that God (as Paul goes on to say in Romans 8:28) "for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to His purpose."

What was that about "OSAS" "skipping" Romans 8? Or "never getting to it?" Yeah, no. LOL! Far from it. "OSAS" rests in it, in the assurance of God (which is what biblical faith is; see Hebrews 11:1) of it. "OSAS" actually believes that "...in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us... (N)either death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." So no, skipping or never getting to, or completely missing Romans 8 is a condition only mired in by, alternatively:

"OSNTS" (Once Saved Never Truly Saved)... folks who "understand" as you do
"ORAR" (Once Repented Always Repented)... folks who "understand" as you do
"OONAD" (Once Obedient Never Again Disobedient)... folks who "understand" as you do
"OSNAS" (Once Saved Never Again Sinful)... folks who "understand" as you do​

Adam never lied in such a way. His failing was that he was a wimp for not standing up to the wife God gave him ~ for not keeping her to what God had told them not to do ~ and going along with her in her being deceived by Satan. Adam knew the right thing to do but didn't do it (which is a recurring pattern in the Bible, by the way), and therefore his sin against God was much greater than Eve's.

And ironically, it is "OSNTS"/"ORAR"/"OONAD"/"OSNAS'' who is deceived in much the same way as Eve and believing of Satan, actually, that "You will not surely die, but become like (God)." My exhortation to you would be to... repent and believe. Again, and again, and again...

Grace and peace to you, Robert.


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The great lie of course is no more judgement for sins of Christians that go on still in their trespasses.

We have consequences in our bodies and lives, just like anyone else if we sin, but no man is excused from God's judgement against sins, when they willingly continue in their sins.

OSAS is covered with the blood of a goat as in the OT, where continued sins and errors were only covered for a time, so that God would not judge His people to death.

The blood of the lamb of God is not just a one time offering as that of a goat, that only covers the ongoing trespasses of God's people, so that He won't judge them at all.

The blood of the Lamb is not for OSAs, because OSAS doesn't want to be washed clean of the sins, that they may sin no more.

OSAS prefers the blood of a goat to only cover their sins so they think they will not be judged for them, like God judges sinners who are hypocrites naming the name of Christ and putting Him to an open shame.

Once again, possible wretched double mindedness as a Christian is not the same as OSAS, which by devil's doctrine praises double mindedness as a lifetime guarantee for Christians, and makes Paul their best example of being chiefest of sinners, while celebrating filthy grace for the glory of God.

OSAS converts and seduces the double minded into becoming open enemies of God:

But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

 

[robert derrick]

No one I know says OSAS allows them to justify their disobedience to God and sin like the devil like you are suggesting.

I will prove to you that Christians in Corinth sinned unto sickness and death but did not go to hell.

1 John 5 tells us there are sins not leading to death. Do you believe that all sins a Christian might do, is grounds for their eternal life to be taken away?
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

The truth is, God does not remember our sin(s), they are not held against us to cause us to die in eternal torments of hell anymore, we are forgiven all our our sin(s) and unrighteousness when we are born of God, being part of the New Covenant family of God. Hebrews 8:12

Sin leading to death for a brother would be they physically die as in 'sleep', just like what happened to many in Corinth regarding the Lord's supper.
Christ-God chastised them severely even to death so they would not be condemned along with the world. See, that means their salvation, not their death in hellfire. Those who sinned by not discerning the Lord's body did not die and go to hell, they were still saved.

1 Corinthians 11
27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

33 Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come.

They are guilty of the body and blood of Christ because of this sin of not discerning Christ's body that He died for which would have been their fellow poor brothers in the Lord. They shamed them and refused them fellowship and treated them badly inside this church. They sinned and they got sick and some died but not to go to hell, they were judged and taken to come before Christ to give an account to Him earlier than they would have normally, there life was cut short on the earth.

Notice what some were doing
17 Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it.

19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you. 20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord’s Supper. 21 For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk.

22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame [c]those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you.

No one I know says OSAS allows them to justify their disobedience to God and sin like the devil like you are suggesting.

Them not justified are not saved. Since we cannot justify ourselves for disobeying God, how much less He who excuses no disobedience to Himself at all. Them not justified with god are not saved by God.

there is no more any condemnation for sin for those in Christ does not mean, that there are no longer any consequences for sin. Such would be the heresy of antinomianism.

Not only does OSAS acknowledge they have no justification with God, they are hypocritically contradict their own foolish doctrine about not being condemned of God.

Since OSAS condemns itself for their willful disobedience to God, then they are condemned of God.

No people of a sound mind and honest heart can openly condemn themselves by their own sins, and then claim to have no more condemnation for their own sins.

OSAS is delusionally strong on the face of it:

We're not justified with God by our open disobedience to God, but we are justified by God despite us despising His Spirit of grace.

We condemn ourselves as ongoing trespassers against God, but we have no condemnation from God for doing so.

I.e. the judgment and condemnation of OSAS against sins and trespasses is more right and just than God's!

 

[robert derrick]

Let's consider this intelligently:

OSAS judges themselves unjustified in their ongoing sinful living and know they deserve condemnation of righteous judgment for it.

They declare their righteous judgment against their own sins, and they are indeed righteous in judging their sins as unrighteousness with God.

And yet, they say God does not righteously judge and condemn them for their sins, though they righteously do.

So, in great righteous judgment against their own sins, OSAS is declaring they are more righteous in judgment than God, who is unrighteous in that He does not judge righteously against their sins!

OSAS is more righteous in Judgement against sins and trespasses than God Himself.

We see therefore that the only righteousness of OSAS is that they know just how unrighteous they are.

I believe that would certainly qualify as an extreme version of willful humility:

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels.

OSAS worships at the altar of their own humility, inspired by their own angels of righteous judgment greater than God's.

 

[robert derrick]

A righteous man is one who righteously condemns sins, and does not justify them in any way.

Then how can God not do so, and not be and unrighteous man?

By saving forever them that go on still in their trespasses and iniquities, God justifies sins and trespasses, that no righteous man would ever do.

The God of OSAS is an unjust judge, who's salvation is made for sins, not from sins.

Since OSAS righteously condemns and does not justify their own sins, then they are righteous judges.

OSAS are righteous, because they condemn themselves.

Therefore, the righteousness that is by salvation of OSAS is that of righteously condemning ongoing sinful disobedience to God, but not that of righteously not disobeying Him.

OSAS does not righteously obey God, but they are still saved, because they righteously condemn themselves for it, which God will not do.

C'mon people, everyone knows OSAS is a self-contradictive and hypocritical lie, made only for them that want to believe they are saved forever while yet going on still in their trespasses and sins, and yet not be judged for their open disobedience and hypocrisy against God.

 

[robert derrick]

Since God does not righteously judge and condemn the sins of OSAS.

How then can OSAS do so, but declaring they do not justify their sins?

Being justified is to not be judged and condemned for sins.

Yet, OSAS declares they are not being justified for their sins, though God is not judging and condemning them for them.

They claim to be righteously justified by God, while going on in trespasses, while refusing to righteously justify themselves because of their ongoing trespasses.

And it is their righteous judgment that is right and true, not God's.

There is no sound mind in all of OSAS.

 

[PinSeeker]

The great lie of course is no more judgement for sins of Christians that go on still in their trespasses.

Well yeah, but who believes that? Certainly not any "OSAS" I know. That's the ridiculousness of this whole endless rant you're on, that you're ranting and raving about nothing, or, at least about some group of folks other than "OSASs"... ... and you don't even realize it.

But, so be it.

A righteous man is one who righteously condemns sins, and does not justify them in any way.

Sure! Much agreed. But he still, in this life, much to his chagrin ~ despite his desire to be free of it ~ sins.

OSAS are righteous, because they condemn themselves.

A ridiculous statement. First, why would anyone condemn anything that God has declared righteous and placed in Christ? And second, condemning anyone for sin would be usurp God Himself (or attempt to, anyway). Yeah, totally ridiculous.

Therefore, the righteousness that is by salvation of OSAS is that of righteously condemning ongoing sinful disobedience to God, but not that of righteously not disobeying Him.

Pffffft. See above. Again, ridiculous.

C'mon people, everyone knows OSAS is a self-contradictive and hypocritical lie, made only for them that want to believe they are saved forever while yet going on still in their trespasses and sins, and yet not be judged for their open disobedience and hypocrisy against God.

Pffffft. See above. Again, ridiculous.

OSAS declares they are not being justified for their sins, though God is not judging and condemning them for them. They claim to be righteously justified by God, while going on in trespasses, while refusing to righteously justify themselves because of their ongoing trespasses. And it is their righteous judgment that is right and true, not God's.

Uh, no... LOL! Yeah, these statements are the most ridiculous yet.

Anyhoo... Like I said, so be it.

Grace and peace to you, Robert.

 

[JesusFan1]

Well yeah, but who believes that? Certainly not any "OSAS" I know. That's the ridiculousness of this whole endless rant you're on, that you're ranting and raving about nothing, or, at least about some group of folks other than "OSASs"... ... and you don't even realize it.

But, so be it.


Sure! Much agreed. But he still, in this life, much to his chagrin ~ despite his desire to be free of it ~ sins.


A ridiculous statement. First, why would anyone condemn anything that God has declared righteous and placed in Christ? And second, condemning anyone for sin would be usurp God Himself (or attempt to, anyway). Yeah, totally ridiculous.


Pffffft. See above. Again, ridiculous.


Pffffft. See above. Again, ridiculous.

Uh, no... LOL! Yeah, these statements are the most ridiculous yet.

Anyhoo... Like I said, so be it.

Grace and peace to you, Robert.

Those who hold to a biblical view of OSAS would not see it as being saved to keep on sinning still now!

 

[robert derrick]

Well yeah, but who believes that? Certainly not any "OSAS" I know. That's the ridiculousness of this whole endless rant you're on, that you're ranting and raving about nothing, or, at least about some group of folks other than "OSASs"... ... and you don't even realize it.

But, so be it.


Sure! Much agreed. But he still, in this life, much to his chagrin ~ despite his desire to be free of it ~ sins.


A ridiculous statement. First, why would anyone condemn anything that God has declared righteous and placed in Christ? And second, condemning anyone for sin would be usurp God Himself (or attempt to, anyway). Yeah, totally ridiculous.


Pffffft. See above. Again, ridiculous.


Pffffft. See above. Again, ridiculous.

Uh, no... LOL! Yeah, these statements are the most ridiculous yet.

Anyhoo... Like I said, so be it.

Grace and peace to you, Robert.

You're problem is say you don't agree with the things I've learned from OSAS, yet when I list them for you, you never disagree with them, nor correct me as I have asked you to do.

Therefore, what you really don't like is the exposure of your decorative lies without the fluff: self contradictory, hypocritical, and plainly foolish when seen in the light of written Scripture.

Sure! Much agreed. But he still, in this life, much to his chagrin ~ despite his desire to be free of it ~ sins.

Ha! Oh! I am so chagrined!! I sinned once again!!! Oh! Chagrin me oh my soul!!

You just cannot help yourself! You try to speak as the righteous, but got to always qualify it with sin, along with self-serving lip-spittle angst about it!

The only desire you do despite to, is the desire of the Spirit of grace of God, who desires you to be free of it.

And your chagrining don't cut it for godly sorrow. We're chagrinned when we get traffic citation. Not when we willingly knowingly purposely committedly and unrighteously sin and disobey God.

The real problem with OSAS is that all these sins they can't help but to do, just don't really stink as much as that of 'regular' sinners.

They don't really fall at any time, they just 'merely' fall from time to time.

And so, they never have the godly sorrow to repent of it, but are simply chagrinned agained and agained and agained.

Keep 'em coming. The list just keeps on growing.

Chagrinned. I like that. "Oh!! Woe is me!!! I am so chagrinned!!! My chagrinment is too much to bare!!!"

That's a real hoot.

 

[robert derrick]

Go and sin no more.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

The main difference between wretched double mindedness and celebratory double mindedness of OSAS is that the honestly double minded will agree we ought not be going to sin more, and leave it at that.

But OSAS must always go on to qualify it with, Oh yes! Much agreed! BUT we will do so again...much to our chagrin. (That rhymed pretty good: But we will do so again, much to our chagrin! I think I've discovered the OSAS motto here: "But we will sin again, much to our chagrin!")

The only thing that will ever be made perfect about OSAS is willful double mindedness.

Scripture is for the perfecting of the saints. OSAS is for the perfecting of double mindedness...with celebratory grace for the glory of God.

"To sin again we ought not so to do, but we will sin again, much to our chagrin! Yea, we shall sin, again and again and again, much to our chagrin!"

Something Longfellow could appreciate.

"I have sinned! I am so chagrinned!" "I have sinned agained! And I am so chagrinned agained!" "Why art thou so chagrinned? Hast that sinned? Agained?"

C'mon. You've got to love this stuff.

 

[PinSeeker]

You're problem…

I have no “problem.”

…is say you don't agree with the things I've learned from OSAS, yet when I list them for you, you never disagree with them…

I do nothing BUT disagree with the silly things you say you’ve “learned from OSAS.” I guess my only question ~ rhetorical, really, so no answer needed ~ is who these “OSASs” you say are OSAS really are. As I’m sure you will agree, there are some very misguided folks out there. But yeah, no matter; point made.

nor correct me as I have asked you to do.

I would never presume to correct you, Robert, but I have corrected, with Scripture, the many misperceptions you have apparently “learned from OSAS.” And that’s the thing: you don’t listen. You just rant and rave, and tear others down to build yourself up, and that’s… not a good look, my friend. Not at all. We might even call it what it actually is… <GASP!>… sin.

Hey, that being the case, Robert, I think you (like all NTBSOAOA ~ Needing To Be Saved Over And Over Again) need to go get saved again, dude. And then again the next day, and again the next… Yeah, I’m… kidding with you… but making what should be an easily discernible point, just the same.

The real problem with OSAS is that all these sins they can't help but to do, just don't really stink as much as that of 'regular' sinners.

See that’s funny, because that’s exactly what I get from you (among other things), is that your, ah, poops don’t stink like everybody else’s. Again, I’m being facetious… but making what should be an easily discernible point.

Grace and peace to you, Robert.

 

[PinSeeker]

Those who hold to a biblical view of OSAS would not see it as being saved to keep on sinning still now!

Right, having received salvation from the Lord and no longer subject to condemnation for sin does is not a license to sin or any kind of invitation to sin, or that there are no longer any consequences because of sin. Paul addresses that head on:

“Should we keep on sinning so that grace may abound? By no means!”​

As I said, that’s the heresy of antinomianism.

Grace and peace.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Understand that robert derrick thinks he doesnt commit a single sin on any given day. Yea, he’s another wackydoodle.