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Again, nothing is said she was married to another man or other men before trying to get married. Why would she want to marry a guy if she was already married? To be married means you were to be taken care of. You had to pay a pride price and bring a marriage contract to be married. Sex would not cut it alone. In fact, faithful Christians are the bride of Christ. Jesus paid the bride price by purchasing her with his own blood. Then Jesus gives us the marriage contract which is the New Covenant or New Testament. We are to be faithful to this New Covenant contract in order to be married to Christ. No contract and no marriage.

The bride price is described in the Mosaic Law, because women were treated like property. And this continued in Christianity for several centuries. Contract because it was a transfer of ownership from father to husband. If someone raped a single girl, the guy would have to pay the father the bride price and marry her and not ever divorce her and from there on rape her the rest of her life. Contract to transfer property, not a ceremony. And how many examples of those contracts do we have and did it always occur? Not a sure thing, but still not a ceremony. You are going to have to step up your game.
 

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Not true. I just read 305, and 307. It does not say that you believe that porn can lead a Christian to hell (or by the use of similar wording).
In Posts 305 and 307 I said it like any other sin.

That does not undo what I said. When you tell other people that masterbation is not a sin, you can lead them to believe that they can indulge in porn because that is what is commonly understood by masterbation in our current modern day age.

No, you are saying that if you masturbate you have to use porn. Not true.

No. You are the one who is inserting false beliefs into the Scriptures.

Then find what you believe in the scriptures.
No. You are the one who is inserting false beliefs into the Scriptures. Jesus said to the woman at the well that the man she currently was with was not her husband and yet she had five husbands previously. This means a person can have a sex partner and not be married. This truth is backed up by the fact that Solomon had both wives and concubines. So you are deceived.

Apples and oranges for one thing. The Mosaic Law allowed for polygamy and concubines and fathers selling their daughters in to concubinage. The Mosaic Law was still the Law at the time when Christ was with the woman at the well. But the woman at the well was a Samaritan which were out casts from the Jews because they did not follow the Law. Which is why Christ had to send the woman because the Apostles would not have been well received.
 

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No you don’t. There is no actual perfect inerrant Word of God that exists on our planet that you believe in whole heartedly.
I believe in the scriptures. I do not believe the world is flat.

So far you have not proven me wrong on any point. I am just asking you to find your false beliefs in the scriptures.
 

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The bride price is described in the Mosaic Law, because women were treated like property. And this continued in Christianity for several centuries. Contract because it was a transfer of ownership from father to husband. If someone raped a single girl, the guy would have to pay the father the bride price and marry her and not ever divorce her

Read this article here:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is not dealing with rape.


and from there on rape her the rest of her life.
No wonder you try to butcher the Word of God. You are falling for the deception of Modern Translations.

Contract to transfer property, not a ceremony. And how many examples of those contracts do we have and did it always occur? Not a sure thing, but still not a ceremony. You are going to have to step up your game.
Before you were mumbling about how sex = marriage. But that’s not what we read in Scripture. A person needed a bridal contract, a bride price, and witnesses (ceremony) to their being married.

But we do read about a wedding ceremony here:

Matthew 22:1-14
1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, 2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. 5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. 9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. 10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
 
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I believe in the scriptures. I do not believe the world is flat.

So far you have not proven me wrong on any point. I am just asking you to find your false beliefs in the scriptures.
Ad hominem. I don’t believe the world is flat, either; And the Bible does not teach or imply the world is flat. That’s false.

Oh, but yes. I did prove you wrong on your false beliefs already in this thread. Anyone who just reads the Bible and believes it will know you are making stuff up.
 

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No wonder you try to butcher the Word of God. You are falling for the deception of Modern Translations.
I look at the actual scriptures and if modern translation are accurate fine.....the King James sound pretty but that is about it.
Before you were mumbling about how sex = marriage. But that’s not what we read in Scripture. A person needed a bridal contract, a bride price, and witnesses (ceremony) to their being married.

Again the contract is about transfer of property.....sex is the consummation of the marriage.

Matthew 22:1-14
1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, 2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. 5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. 9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. 10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”

This is not a wedding between two people it is a theological concept. And he spoke to them again by parables......
 

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Ad hominem. I don’t believe the world is flat, either; And the Bible does not teach or imply the world is flat. That’s false.
Again you are wrong.
How many scriptures do you want?
And you have proven nothing.
We have discussed this before and you failed.
Start a thread and give all the scriptures you can find about earth as a sphere or globe....have fun.
 

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Again you are wrong.
How many scriptures do you want?
And you have proven nothing.
We have discussed this before and you failed.
Start a thread and give all the scriptures you can find about earth as a sphere or globe....have fun.
Some people believe that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat (or a flat disk). Both assumptions are incorrect. There are a number of Scriptures that indicate a spherical earth. These Scriptures were penned centuries before a spherical earth was confirmed.
Isaiah 40:22 states that God “sits above the circle of the earth.” While there is no Hebrew word for sphere, Khoog which is translated circle, circuit, compass is the closest. Because God is omnipresent, He looks down upon the earth from every direction. Therefore, from God’s heavenly perspective – looking down upon the earth from every location – the earth would appear round from every perspective ONLY if it were a sphere. If the earth were a flat circle for instance, then from most angles the earth would appear as an oval or even a straight-line (if perpendicular to it). Therefore, Isaiah 40:22 indicates a spherical earth.

Source:

I also provided some additional verses here, as well.


Note: Keep reading through the thread and there is yet another good Scripture revealed, as well.
 

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I look at the actual scriptures and if modern translation are accurate fine.....the King James sound pretty but that is about it.
Yes, we know liberals have no real regard for the King James Bible. Many liberals even hate the KJB.

Again the contract is about transfer of property.....sex is the consummation of the marriage.



This is not a wedding between two people it is a theological concept. And he spoke to them again by parables......
There is no use continuing to discuss this topic. I already provided the verses to you that you keep ignoring.
 

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Some people believe that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat (or a flat disk). Both assumptions are incorrect. There are a number of Scriptures that indicate a spherical earth. These Scriptures were penned centuries before a spherical earth was confirmed.
Isaiah 40:22 states that God “sits above the circle of the earth.” While there is no Hebrew word for sphere, Khoog which is translated circle, circuit, compass is the closest. Because God is omnipresent, He looks down upon the earth from every direction. Therefore, from God’s heavenly perspective – looking down upon the earth from every location – the earth would appear round from every perspective ONLY if it were a sphere. If the earth were a flat circle for instance, then from most angles the earth would appear as an oval or even a straight-line (if perpendicular to it). Therefore, Isaiah 40:22 indicates a spherical earth.

Source:

I also provided some additional verses here, as well.


Note: Keep reading through the thread and there is yet another good Scripture revealed, as well.

That is laughable! Is that the best you can do!

We have have discussed this before. Most everyone up to the 1600's were thinking the world was flat....and no one is saying, Hey look the scriptures say the world is a sphere! Those that believed the world was a sphere are fighting the church....Galileo Galilei It wasn’t just the Jews and Christians; it was a common belief of the time period. And you will see a lot of references to “ the ends of the world and ends of the earth” Means no thing to us we know the planet is round but, back then it was a fear…..of falling off the ends of the world….particularly for sailors.

According to these scriptures the earth has a fixed foundation….and it was set on pillars that could be shaken but the earth could not move and the sun and moon and stars moved around it….and if an object was tall enough it could be seen from the four corners of the earth because the earth was flat….that cannot happen with the earth being a sphere. So I will bury this topic in scriptures....

1st Chronicles 16:30
Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved….. (They believed that the Earth did not rotate or move….. everything… sun, moon, and stars, orbits the earth.)

Psalm 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

1st Samuel 2:8
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor. For the foundations of the earth are the LORD’s; on them he has set the world.

Daniel 4:11
The tree grew large and became strong And its height reached to the sky, And it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

Isaiah 11:12
He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth….

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree…..The earth has corners,

Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

Job 37:3
He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth……..the earth has ends?

Jeremiah 51:16
When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.

Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth?

Psalm 19:4-6
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.

Psalm 67:7
God shall bless us; let all the ends of the earth fear him!

Psalm 98:3
He has remembered his steadfast love and faithfulness to the house of Israel. All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

Jeremiah 16:19
O Lord, my strength and my stronghold, my refuge in the day of trouble, to you shall the nations come from the ends of the earth and say: “Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.

1st Samuel 2:10
The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; against them he will thunder in heaven. The Lord will judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king and exalt the power of his anointed.”

Psalm 19:4
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,

(The ends of the world…..the ends of the earth….the four corners!! This was a big concern with sailors….that they would fall off the end of the world.)

Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened……(windows in the filament?)

Genesis 7:2
The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,

Isaiah 24:18
He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit, and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.

Proverbs 8:29

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

Psalms 75:3
When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.…(the earth set on pillars?)

Job 9:6
Who shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble;

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises……(there is a place where the sun rises?)

Habukkuk 3:11
The sun and moon stood still in their place at the light of your arrows as they sped, at the flash of your glittering spear.

Joshua 10:12-13
At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day……
It would be that the earth stopped rotating not the sun and moon stopping.

Now considering all that the scriptures say about this....no one can be blamed for thinking the scriptures describe a flat earth.
 

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Yes, we know liberals have no real regard for the King James Bible. Many liberals even hate the KJB.

It has nothing to do with liberals.....biblical scholars know that it is one of the worse translations available.

There is no use continuing to discuss this topic. I already provided the verses to you that you keep ignoring.
Because you are dead wrong.....No biblical requirement for a wedding ceremony....Old or New Testament. First documented Christian wedding was in the 9th century and it was the Protestants that first to require a wedding ceremony to be married in the mid 1500's.
 

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It has nothing to do with liberals.....biblical scholars know that it is one of the worse translations available.
Biblical scholars that Christian look up to today are in many cases LIBERALS.
Bruce Metzger is just one example.

Because you are dead wrong.....No biblical requirement for a wedding ceremony....Old or New Testament. First documented Christian wedding was in the 9th century and it was the Protestants that first to require a wedding ceremony to be married in the mid 1500's.
Again, the Bible describes wedding ceremonies. Jesus attended one. You are seeing what you want to see (despite the testimony of Scripture). I also pointed out Matthew 22:1-14 (Parable of the Banquet) with you, as well.
 

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That is laughable! Is that the best you can do!

We have have discussed this before. Most everyone up to the 1600's were thinking the world was flat....and no one is saying, Hey look the scriptures say the world is a sphere! Those that believed the world was a sphere are fighting the church....Galileo Galilei It wasn’t just the Jews and Christians; it was a common belief of the time period. And you will see a lot of references to “ the ends of the world and ends of the earth” Means no thing to us we know the planet is round but, back then it was a fear…..of falling off the ends of the world….particularly for sailors.

According to these scriptures the earth has a fixed foundation….and it was set on pillars that could be shaken but the earth could not move and the sun and moon and stars moved around it….and if an object was tall enough it could be seen from the four corners of the earth because the earth was flat….that cannot happen with the earth being a sphere. So I will bury this topic in scriptures....

1st Chronicles 16:30
Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved….. (They believed that the Earth did not rotate or move….. everything… sun, moon, and stars, orbits the earth.)

Psalm 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

1st Samuel 2:8
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor. For the foundations of the earth are the LORD’s; on them he has set the world.

Daniel 4:11
The tree grew large and became strong And its height reached to the sky, And it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

Isaiah 11:12
He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth….

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree…..The earth has corners,

Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

Job 37:3
He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth……..the earth has ends?

Jeremiah 51:16
When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.

John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.

Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth?

Psalm 19:4-6
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.

Psalm 67:7
God shall bless us; let all the ends of the earth fear him!

Psalm 98:3
He has remembered his steadfast love and faithfulness to the house of Israel. All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

Jeremiah 16:19
O Lord, my strength and my stronghold, my refuge in the day of trouble, to you shall the nations come from the ends of the earth and say: “Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.

1st Samuel 2:10
The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; against them he will thunder in heaven. The Lord will judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king and exalt the power of his anointed.”

Psalm 19:4
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,

(The ends of the world…..the ends of the earth….the four corners!! This was a big concern with sailors….that they would fall off the end of the world.)

Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened……(windows in the filament?)

Genesis 7:2
The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,

Isaiah 24:18
He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit, and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.

Proverbs 8:29

And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.

Psalms 75:3
When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.…(the earth set on pillars?)

Job 9:6
Who shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble;

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises……(there is a place where the sun rises?)

Habukkuk 3:11
The sun and moon stood still in their place at the light of your arrows as they sped, at the flash of your glittering spear.

Joshua 10:12-13
At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day……
It would be that the earth stopped rotating not the sun and moon stopping.

Now considering all that the scriptures say about this....no one can be blamed for thinking the scriptures describe a flat earth.
So you believe God was teaching in His Word that the world was flat or that He was making it appear that way?
But God knows the earth is always a sphere, so obviously that was not what God is saying in those verses.
So you are mixed up and confused.
 

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Biblical scholars that Christian look up to today are in many cases LIBERALS.
Bruce Metzger is just one example.
It is a matter of translating correctly from the scriptures....Some of the King James stuff is just laughable.

So you believe God was teaching in His Word that the world was flat or that He was making it appear that way?
But God knows the earth is always a sphere, so obviously that was not what God is saying in those verses.
So you are mixed up and confused.

I am just copying a pasting what the scriptures say. If you have issues with that....that is your problem.
 

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Because you are dead wrong.....No biblical requirement for a wedding ceremony....Old or New Testament. First documented Christian wedding was in the 9th century and it was the Protestants that first to require a wedding ceremony to be married in the mid 1500's.
Verse 3 is your biblical requirement.

Matthew 22:2-3.
2The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.”

You say sex = marriage.
You say no wedding ceremony was needed.
Yet, we see a wedding ceremony here in verse 3 and it relates to our relationship with Christ.
 

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It is a matter of translating correctly from the scriptures....Some of the King James stuff is just laughable.
God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. You are an unbeliever in a perfect inerrant Bible on our planet. The Bible describes how God’s words are perfect, but well… you don’t believe that, too.

I am just copying a pasting what the scriptures say. If you have issues with that....that is your problem.
No. You are posting those verses to show that you believe that the Bible taught a flat Earth or led to impression that it was flat when that is not the case. God also speaks in metaphor. One great example is in the story of Noah and Ham (Which people misunderstand because they don’t understand the biblical metaphors involved).


In addition: A person can make wrong assumptions on Isaiah 45:7 but they don’t understand that words in the Bible can sometimes be archaic or they are not reading things in context and comparing Scripture with Scripture. Just like parables, I believe God uses metaphor or archaic words to hide things from others who simply don’t believe God’s Word (or who only believe in parts of the Bible). He hides things from those who do not study to show themselves approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB).

Christians today can switch temporarily into what I call, the “atheist mode” when reading certain Scripture verses (because they don’t like what those particular verses say). This is what you have done with the verses you posted. While I believe you when you say you are a Christian (in general), you sound like an atheist attacking the Bible In this particular instance. I don’t have that problem. I just read the Bible and believe it and I support the LORD my GOD on what He has written. You cannot do that. You have to make up your own perfect Bible and or hunt for the pure words of God (because you don’t like what the Bible says). I have a perfect Bible and I just read it and believe it (And I am okay with what God says).
 
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Matthew 22:2-3.
2The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.”

You say sex = marriage.
You say no wedding ceremony was needed.
Yet, we see a wedding ceremony here in verse 3 and it relates to our relationship with Christ.

LOL I said there is no biblical requirement for a wedding ceremony.....I did not say none occurred and I did not say that the Jews never celebrated marriages.....Songs of Solomon.
I don't think you are much for learning things but for the benefit of the readers I will add some information.

If you do a study on wedding ceremonies it is clear that they have been going on even before recorded history..... Mesopotamia .....India...... But it is important to understand that they all had Pagan sources in one way or another, that is true even of modern Christian weddings....if you look into it you will find Pagan rituals imbedded into Modern Christian weddings and receptions.

If the reader is interested in studying weddings in relation to Judaism, the first thing you need to do is look into modern Jewish weddings. Christian weddings and receptions have Pagan rituals imbedded in them.....not so of Jewish weddings. Jewish weddings are based mostly on the customs and characters of the Old Testament....

Once you have a good grip of what is going on today at those weddings, take a look at Matthew 22:1-14 and Matthew 25:1-13 These parables are using Jewish weddings to teach a message. Still no requirement and you are not going to find the details given in the parables in the Old Testament....there is a reason for that.

In between the testaments.....we are learning more about what went on during this 400 year period. The Bible documents that the Jews had a relatively friendly relationship while under Persian rule.....restored the temple and were allowed to practice their beliefs. Now it is thought that the Jews found the Persian weddings to their liking. Persian weddings and receptions could be spectacular and last for days.

During this time the Jews developed wedding ceremonies, not sure if it was just one or a couple. But either way they developed the one and only wedding ceremony that was and is not from Pagan sources. As with the modern Jewish wedding ceremonies, the ones in Persia were based on the Old Testament stories, which included a public bridal chamber. It is not porn...LOL...the wedding guests could not see them they were listening to them. When the couple came back out to join in on the festivities the mother of the bride would go in and collects the sheets....tokens of her daughter's virginity. In modern Jewish weddings the bridal chamber is symbolized by a canopy called a Chuppah, which also represents the beginning of their family.

Around 330 BC Alexander the Great conquered Persia, the Jews fought against Alexander during that war to protect their temple and they focused on killing his commanders. So Alexander hated the Jews and tortured, killed, impaled, and crucified tens of thousands of them. And from there the Romans took over and they also hated the Jews. During the various revolts the Romans crucified thousands of them. The Jews come away from all of this hating anything Pagan, the Jewish wedding custom takes a hit and becomes unpopular, it was not Pagan, but because it was developed because the Jews admired Persian weddings. I am not saying that there were no Jewish weddings, just that they became unpopular and were never required. The wedding in Cana may have been a Jewish wedding but the scriptures do not specify that or the bride and groom.

After the destruction of the temple in 70 AD the Jewish people and their religion was in complete disarray. The Jews become outcasts and were persecuted in Christian empires and it take about 1400 years for things to become some what stable for them. Around the time that the Protestants started to require wedding ceremonies to be married the Jews reinstate the Jewish wedding ceremonies.

Now shortly after the first century the Gentiles start to take command of the Christian religion. When they convert to Christianity they change their religious beliefs but they do not abandons their cultures and this is from several regions. Since wedding ceremonies were popular in Pagan cultures it is possible that Christianized-Pagan wedding ceremonies were occurring, shortly after the first century....just none document until the 9th century and no requirement. As it is today modern Christian weddings and receptions retain some Pagan rituals, just as Christian holidays do.
 
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God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. You are an unbeliever in a perfect inerrant Bible on our planet. The Bible describes how God’s words are perfect, but well… you don’t believe that, too.
I believe in God and the scriptures.....Some Bibles are a good effort to translate those scriptures but not with total agreement. Do we have another person here that thinks that the King James Version is their God?


No. You are posting those verses to show that you believe that the Bible taught a flat Earth or led to impression that it was flat when that is not the case. A person can make wrong assumptions on Isaiah 45:7 but they don’t understand that words can be archaic or they are not reading things in context and comparing Scripture with Scripture.

Wrong again.....man you are striking out right and left! Are you making an effort to be wrong all the time?
Did God think the world was flat?.....NO! But the way it is detailed in the scriptures and I mean detailed....You cannot blame anyone for thinking that the world was flat.....and these scriptures parallel beliefs in Pagan societies.
 

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There are silly man-made sins and depending on what country you live in they can be more silly. LOL
I am going to say it is the general rule, because there are exceptions....if it is not clearly stated in the scriptures.....it is not a sin.
It is always best to go back to the actual scriptures in their native language and look at the words. A lot of fingers in the pie over the last 2000 years.

Generally I agree.
I never considered something not being a sin because it's not stated in the scriptures.
I always thought of it more in terms of silliness - the same word you used.
Some churches don't allow women to wear pants because Paul said a woman should dress like a man and V V.
He also said women shouldn't wear jewelry or braid their hair.
But there were reasons for this that are no longer true. I do believe we should be modest in our dress.
Of course, I don't feel the same about jewelry because I happen to like it -- LOL.
(and, I don't wear it for the same reason).
The Bible is not going to show too much concern for your health.....exercising and eating right and such....
The Hebrews had the worse diet ever, big on melted fat gravy....probably what Christ was dipping His bread in.
As far as sin? They did not know about tobacco back then but they did smoke things....but there is no discussion on it.
As far as long life and corrupting the temple thing....Christ said, it is not what you put in your mouth that corrupt you, it is what comes out of your mouth that corrupt you....and he who tries to save his life will lose it.

I think Jesus was speaking about hypocricy, maybe? Or legalism.
But the OT Israelites were told not to eat pork and it does go bad quickly and it does have the ability to make one sick.
I always thought this was very interesting.

But there is the other side of the coin.....Preachers think they have to make things a sin to warn people about them....they do not.
A Preacher/Priest is a shepherd of a flock....congregation.....a Christian leader and he or she can address issues with his congregation, without trying to make it a sin. There are things that are dangerous, there are things that are stupid to do.

Agreed. Sometimes they treat the congregation as if they couldn't understand.

A funny on this....I am not a preacher, but I am a speaker and sometimes substitute for Sunday school. Had a lady ask me if smoking was a sin? I told her that the word tobacco is not in the scriptures and smoking is not mentioned. So it can not be a biblical sin. But then I asked, is it smart? She shrugged her shoulders. If you are going to do it consider how you are doing it and how often. Is it an addiction? That can be a problem.

All things are permissible - but not expedient.
1 Cor 10:23

And if you do smoke, I recommend a pipe or a cigar or roll your own. Now being a lady she thought that was funny and just for men, so she laughed. And I said, do me a favor and look up what they put in cigarettes.....Technically they have poisons and more nicotine than necessary. If you want to smoke tobacco smoke tobacco. Then I went in to the story that I smoke cigars during deer season at the camp.

Now this is the sort a thing that preacher could talk to their congregations about. Issues like debt, gambling, dating, and human trafficking in their area, stuff like child appropriate shows, and be in touch with curriculum of the schools to know what they are teaching their children. Drugs are becoming legal in different areas and advertisements are targeting young adults. It does not have to be a sin for the preacher to talk to the congregation about it.
Oh yes.
I wish these matters would be spoken of.
And in a very clear manner.
Fear of fleeing?
And religiously....it is important to know what biblical sins are so you know what to focus on.....not the everything you could possibility do sin list. And if you know, you do not condemn people for fakes sins. Some times condemning the sin not the person, still works out to be condemning and they did not sin, we sinned.
Agreed.
And I like Philippians 4:8
It seems to work better than thinking about sins.
 
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LOL I said there is no biblical requirement for a wedding ceremony.....I did not say none occurred and I did not say that the Jews never celebrated marriages.....Songs of Solomon.
Again, you are in error. Matthew 22:1-14 is a biblical requirement. We are told to follow Jesus. I am assuming or hoping you believe at least those kinds of verses in the Bible that tell us to follow Jesus. For we are to conform to the image of Jesus Christ. The Parable of the Wedding Banquet is a picture of what is to come in regards to Jesus marrying His bride (the church) that would be us. It shows a marriage ceremony (Whether you like it or not). So if the Lord is our example in having a wedding, then we must follow that same example as a part of the New Covenant. It does not matter what the Jews did. What matters is following the ultimate or head Jew who is Jesus Christ (The Creator and Savior of all). To deny this is to deny what our Lord does and to refuse to imitate Him.

You just appear to want to do your own kind of thing that is good and right in your own eyes.


I don't think you are much for learning things but for the benefit of the readers I will add some information.

If you do a study on wedding ceremonies it is clear that they have been going on even before recorded history..... Mesopotamia .....India...... But it is important to understand that they all had Pagan sources in one way or another, that is true even of modern Christian weddings....if you look into it you will find Pagan rituals imbedded into Modern Christian weddings and receptions.

If the reader is interested in studying weddings in relation to Judaism, the first thing you need to do is look into modern Jewish weddings. Christian weddings and receptions have Pagan rituals imbedded in them.....not so of Jewish weddings. Jewish weddings are based mostly on the customs and characters of the Old Testament....

Once you have a good grip of what is going on today at those weddings,
This is the difference between us. You look to outside sources to build your faith. I look to the Bible alone to build my faith.
For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).


take a look at Matthew 22:1-14 and Matthew 25:1-13 These parables are using Jewish weddings to teach a message. Still no requirement and you are not going to find the details given in the parables in the Old Testament....there is a reason for that.
Your thinking is still wrong. We are not under the Old Covenant or Old Testament. We are New Covenant believers, and the parable is teaching clearly the wedding of the Lord Jesus with His church. If you are a part of the church, you will seek to want to follow in being married to Him (ceremony and all).

For example: The Old Testament had a physical temple. This pointed to the Heavenly temple in God’s Kingdom.


In between the testaments.....we are learning more about what went on during this 400 year period. The Bible documents that the Jews had a relatively friendly relationship while under Persian rule.....restored the temple and were allowed to practice their beliefs. Now it is thought that the Jews found the Persian weddings to their liking. Persian weddings and receptions could be spectacular and last for days.

During this time the Jews developed wedding ceremonies, not sure if it was just one or a couple. But either way they developed the one and only wedding ceremony that was and is not from Pagan sources. As with the modern Jewish wedding ceremonies, the ones in Persia were based on the Old Testament stories, which included a public bridal chamber. It is not porn...LOL...the wedding guests could not see them they were listening to them. When the couple came back out to join in on the festivities the mother of the bride would go in and collects the sheets....tokens of her daughter's virginity. In modern Jewish weddings the bridal chamber is symbolized by a canopy called a Chuppah, which also represents the beginning of their family.

Around 330 BC Alexander the Great conquered Persia, the Jews fought against Alexander during that war to protect their temple and they focused on killing his commanders. So Alexander hated the Jews and tortured, killed, impaled, and crucified tens of thousands of them. And from there the Romans took over and they also hated the Jews. During the various revolts the Romans crucified thousands of them. The Jews come away from all of this hating anything Pagan, the Jewish wedding custom takes a hit and becomes unpopular, it was not Pagan, but because it was developed because the Jews admired Persian weddings. I am not saying that there were no Jewish weddings, just that they became unpopular and were never required. The wedding in Cana may have been a Jewish wedding but the scriptures do not specify that or the bride and groom.

After the destruction of the temple in 70 AD the Jewish people and their religion was in complete disarray. The Jews become outcasts and were persecuted in Christian empires and it take about 1400 years for things to become some what stable for them. Around the time that the Protestants started to require wedding ceremonies to be married the Jews reinstate the Jewish wedding ceremonies.

Now shortly after the first century the Gentiles start to take command of the Christian religion. When they convert to Christianity they change their religious beliefs but they do not abandons their cultures and this is from several regions. Since wedding ceremonies were popular in Pagan cultures it is possible that Christianized-Pagan wedding ceremonies were occurring, shortly after the first century....just none document until the 9th century and no requirement. As it is today modern Christian weddings and receptions retain some Pagan rituals, just as Christian holidays do.
Again, your focus and mindset is wrong. Don’t look to man made history to build your faith. Men can lie. God cannot. Look to God’s Word to build your faith.