1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured Great falling away (is this happening now?)

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by friend of, May 3, 2019.

  1. It is happening right now (21st century commencement)

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. It will happen in the future (apostasy will be even more dramatic than it is now)

    2 vote(s)
    22.2%
  3. It has been happening since Christ died and was resurrected

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Other (please provide explanation in response)

    4 vote(s)
    44.4%
  1. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    258
    No ,Christ can't return today

    Mark 13:23 "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

    Show me one,just one verse where Christ says He could return at any time.He told us all things that must and will happen before His return!!!!

    And for those who say He was only talking to the Jew's in this chapter as well as Matthew 24 ,read the below

    Mark 13:37 "And what I say unto you I say unto All, Watch."!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    258
    satan is the antichrist ,anti in the greek means "instead of "and that is how satan shall appear and he's also the son of perdition.

    satan goes by many names
     
  3. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    258
    Scripture clearly teaches that satan comes before Christ

    satan appears at 666
    Christ at 777

    That is the delusion ,satan pretending to be Christ.So are you just walking around with your head looking to the sky,while not paying attention to the Words that Christ spoke,that being everything that will and must happen before He returns?
     
  4. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,940
    Likes Received:
    413
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Rev.13 shows he will do miracles and rain fire down from heaven in the sight of men. God brought fire from heaven on several occasions back in the OT times.

    So it will probably be whatever will deceive the majority of the world.
     
  5. friend of

    friend of Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    487
    Likes Received:
    309
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    I remember when I first read that, I interpreted it as missiles or nukes or explosive artillery raining down.

    But I guess firing missiles isn't really a miracle.
     
  6. friend of

    friend of Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    487
    Likes Received:
    309
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    Many parables exort us to always be prepared for " the Master of the house will come at a time we are not expecting"
     
  7. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    258
    Only to those in darkness,but to take this further,the world won't expect Him because they will think He's already here.
     
  8. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,799
    Likes Received:
    6,923
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    Gen. 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.


    I think this relates to the 2 great commandments. The greatest is to love God...and the lesser of these great commandments is to love others as ourselves. It is holiness..in the light: righteousness in the darkness.

    See the contrast here...we are to do our works so as to be seen of men (a light on a hill)...this regards holiness. But we are also to do our works in secret...this regards righteousness. So spiritually the first is in the day...in the light...and the other at night, where the left hand can't see what the right hand is doing...

    John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

    Where no man can work the holiness of God in the world. The world is straying farther and farther from the truth. But the church need not follow the world. We are spiritually in the night where the church is sleeping. We can yet hold fast what we have been given...and learn to love in a more and more sacrificial way. If we are truly in the time of night...before the break of a new day....then we can still work righteousness through loving our brothers and sisters in the Lord.

    After all...Jesus said that we would be known for our love....miraculous power notwithstanding. The late Jean Vanier was not a man of miraculous faith yet the world saw him as a man of God nonetheless.



    And we can seek the Lord for His power to restore the church to it's rightful place of revival and ambassadorship to the coming kingdom of God.

    Maybe God is waiting until we learn the lesser of the 2 great commandments of love before giving us the power to fulfill being the light of the world. See how divided we are. The day is fast approaching. Soon, I believe we will be able to work again in the miraculous power of God as a witness to the world that Jesus Christ is risen and alive...and sovereign. Until then we can watch and pray and be obedient with the measure of faith we have been given.
     
  9. friend of

    friend of Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    487
    Likes Received:
    309
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    Ugh.... no wrong.

    Read Matthew 24:42-47

    I need to get off this site for awhile.
     
  10. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,940
    Likes Received:
    413
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Right, some were trying to say it just meant military power, but that's not a work of deception like our Lord Jesus and His Apostles warned.
     
  11. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,780
    Likes Received:
    2,573
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Not exactly. He who restrains, is not he who is taken out of the way. He who restrains is God, and he who is restrained and the cause of these times of restraint and consuming fire is Satan, who's children are born of the flesh to their father the devil.

    Only those who are chosen and those born of the spirit of God, shall be saved.
     
    Waiting on him and 101G like this.
  12. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    258

    Matthew 24:42 "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

    We are to watch for these seven events that will come prior to Christ return. They are the signs that keep us from being deceived.

    Matthew 24:43 "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up."

    Right now we don't know the hour, but we have a good understanding of how to locate the hour that He will come, for they are spelled out in the signs that Jesus is giving to us.

    Matthew 24:44 "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

    For those that are taken by the Antichrist, this is exactly the way that it will be. But the hour that Jesus is talking of here is the "hour of temptation". That "hour of temptation is spelled out in Revelation 17;12; "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom, as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." This "one hour" is the time when the ten kings, or powers [agencies] of authority will rule with the beast, or Satan and his religious system for that short five month period.

    You will not know the instant, but you can know the hour. This is done by recognizing the Antichrist, at his arrival, including his army of fallen angels. Then know when the one world system totally comes into being, after being torn apart politically as the political beast, and that is the start of the hour. God's elect will escape from that hour, for they don't find Satan and his system tempting to sell their soul for.

    I hope you progress enough in God's Word that you don't find Satan tempting either. What you will be doing is selling five months of Satan's prosperity and pleasures for your very soul, and eternal life. It is time to wake up, there is to much at stake here.

    Matthew 24:45 "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

    Which one of these are the faithful and wise servant, the one that was taken early by the Antichrist, or the one who studied, and knew the signs of the times, and stayed in the field working for the Master. The faithful servant will be well rewarded in the household of Christ Kingdom, as well as receiving blessings in this age.

    The wise servant over Christ household, of the fellow Christians, is the one that gives the members of the body of Christ the meat of His word, and not milk. That is God's word taught in full, and meat in due season, this season, the season of the parable of the fig tree, when these events will come to pass.

    Meat also that will stay with a person, so that when the famine of the truth of God's Word comes, they will not be starved, and die spiritually. It is time to get away from those "one verse pastors" that prime you with a verse, then spout off for the next hour, and never get to the true word of God. You need the meat of the Word and we are in the season to take it in.

    Matthew 24:46 "Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing."

    The time of the blessings to the faithful is "when He cometh", and the blessings and rewards are for those that Christ finds doing the work of the Lord. Are you going to be out there bowing to the supernatural, and part of his magical side shows? Are you going to be part of the new world order's plan of peace, peace, peace? or are you in the trenches of the spiritual war that will be going on. We are to be witnessing as the Spirit of God speaks through His elect. God has shortened the time for the elect, or else no flesh would be saved.

    God's elect will not fall, for God ordained in in the world that was, the first earth age, and recorded in Romans 8:26-39; and Ephesians 1:4-5.
     
  13. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    258
    We should be watching for the signs that Christ gave us,and not walking around looking in the dang sky.That's how you don't get deceived.Again He told us everything that will and must happen before His return.
     
  14. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,451
    Likes Received:
    300
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Here is some informed information about your assumption on just who is uninformed.
    .
    2 Thes. 1[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    [8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    [9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    [10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
    .
    Don't you know that Glorification of the Saints and the destruction of all the unsaved, is a simultaneous event in His return from Heaven?
     
  15. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,287
    Likes Received:
    4,398
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    Canada
    No, it cannot be simultaneous for the simple reason that the glorified saints must be in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ. Read and study Revelation 19 along with all related passages.
     
  16. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,400
    Likes Received:
    332
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Yeah, my wife often warns me that Jesus could come for me at any moment, so whatever I'm doing -- I stop. However, HE will not come for the rest of the saints for another 2 1/2 years -- per my best understanding of Scripture.


    Bobby Jo
     
  17. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    6,543
    Likes Received:
    1,635
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    We need revival...otherwise the great falling away will culminate sooner rather than later.
     
  18. prism

    prism Blood-Soaked

    Messages:
    934
    Likes Received:
    287
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Yes, we are seeing it in the 21st century...

    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (2Ti 3:1-5)
     
    friend of likes this.
Loading...