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From Ice core samples, it has been determined that current warming and cooling trends are within the norm of what has taken place for the last 8000 years.
 

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Antarctic ice cores show us that the concentration of CO2 was stable over the last millennium until the early 19th century. It then started to rise, and its concentration is now nearly 40% higher than it was before the industrial revolution (see Fig. 2 overleaf). Other measurements (e.g. isotopic data) confirm that the increase must be due to emissions of CO2 from fossil fuel usage and deforestation. Measurements from older ice cores (discussed below) confirm that both the magnitude and rate of the recent increase are almost certainly unprecedented over the last 800,000 years. The fastest large natural increase measured in older ice cores is around 20ppmv (parts per million by volume) in 1,000 years (a rate seen during Earth’s emergence from the last ice age around 12,000 years ago). CO2 concentration increased by the same amount, 20ppmv, in the last 10 years! Methane (CH4), another important greenhouse gas, also shows a huge and unprecedented increase in concentration over the last two centuries. Its concentration is now much more than double its pre-industrial level. This is mainly due to the increase in emissions from sources such as rice fields, ruminant animals and landfills, that comes on top of natural emissions from wetlands and other sources.
 

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The climate changes described above were huge, but relatively gradual. However, ice cores have provided us with evidence that abrupt changes are also possible. During the last glacial period, Greenland experienced a sequence of very fast warmings (see Fig. 5 overleaf). The temperature increased by more than 10°C within 40 years. Other records show us that major changes in atmospheric circulation and climate were experienced all around the northern hemisphere. Antarctica and the Southern Ocean experienced a different pattern, consistent with the idea that these rapid jumps were caused by sudden changes in the transport of heat in the ocean. At this time, there was a huge ice sheet (the Laurentide) over northern North America. Freshwater delivered from the ice sheet to the North Atlantic was able periodically to disrupt the overturning of the ocean, causing the transport of tropical heat to the north to reduce and then suddenly increase again. While this mechanism cannot occur in the same way in today’s world, it does show us that, at least regionally, the climate is capable of extraordinary changes within a human lifetime – rapid switches we certainly want to avoid experiencing.
 

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Greenland is going to be just fine......

The top seven global warming alarmist setbacks in 2013
http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/20/the-top-seven-global-warming-alarmist-setbacks-in-2013/

Setback Number1:
Studies show that the world was warmer than it is today during the Roman Empire and when the Vikings were plundering Europe and North America. In fact, even in the 19th Century, there were discussions surrounding the fact that the Vikings could settle the northernmost reaches of Greenland and North America because there was less ice coverage.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/18/vikings-could-navigate-colonize-the-arctic-during-medieval-times/
According to an 1887 newspaper article entitled “Variations in Climate,” Scandinavian Vikings were able to sail through the Arctic Ocean and establish colonies in the “highest north latitude” of Greenland and North America centuries before the arrival of Christopher Columbus. These colonies, however, were abandoned by the Vikings due to “the increasing cold.”



And as far as your NASA link goes:

NASA Global Warming Stance Blasted By 49 Astronauts, Scientists Who Once Worked There
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/nasa-global-warming-letter-astronauts_n_1418017.html

NASA's Own Data Refutes 2014 "Warmest On Record" Claim:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/19930-nasa-s-own-data-refutes-2014-warmest-on-record-claim

Global warming debunked: NASA report verifies carbon dioxide actually cools atmosphere
http://www.naturalnews.com/040448_solar_radiation_global_warming_debunked.html

Spectacularly Poor Climate Science at NASA
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/spectacularly-poor-climate-science-at-nasa/

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html



I too used to be a Global Warming Zealot.....until several of the things GUARANTEED to occur never did....and in some cases just the opposite happened.

- Gore said it was likely that by 2015 the Polar Ice Cap would be gone. At most conservative estimates, it is the same size it was in 2007 when he made the prediction.

- We were told there would be record numbers of Hurricanes hitting the U.S. - Instead we have had just the opposite. Record few.

- We were told there would be record numbers of Tornados in the U.S. - Didn't happen.

- We were told that by 2011, Parents in England and Northern Europe would have to tell their children what snow "used to be." In 2012 ad 2013 they had record snowfall and record cold temperatures.



Even the claim that 97% of Scientists agree we are encountering Global Warming is false:

The Myth Of The Climate Change '97%'
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

The 97 Percent Myth
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=24484

Global Warming Alarmists Caught Doctoring '97-Percent Consensus' Claims
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/



And for every 'Greenland' claim someone wants to roll out, there is a corresponding event they will try to minimize or ignore.
For Example:

Extensive Great Lakes Ice Coverage to Limit Severe Weather, Pose Challenges to Shipping Industry
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/great-lakes-ice-coverage-shipping-industry-severe-weather/43665598

"Last winter, Great Lakes ice coverage peaked at 92.5 on March 6, 2014, ranking as the second-most ice coverage in recorded history."

Again, we were told that just the opposite was going to happen ^ ^ ^ ^



But if you wanted to drag me back to the Dark Side of what is now called 'Climate Change,' you just need to answer these four questions for me:

1. What is this 'Pause' in Global Warming that is going on now?
2. What caused it?
3. When will it end?
4. Why were NONE the all-knowing 'decided science' scientists able to predict it?

And be careful how you answer number 4.....Your response may actually further undermine the credibility of the doomsday scenarios the zealots have already put forth....
 

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You have failed to address the ice core evidence from Greenland. Glaciers are melting that have existed for thousands of years.
Al Gore may believe he is a scientist and the creator of the Internet, but he is neither.
Predicting exactly how the Earth is going to respond to warmer temperatures is a guessing game. All we can do is watch what is happening now.

Right now, Greenland and the Poles are melting like they have not melted in thousands of years - much longer than when the Roman Empire existed.

Hurricanes have increased in strength and there are increased droughts in California and Oregon and Texas is underwater. Only time will tell is this is related.

I am not a conspiracy theorist - when people were stock pilling for Y2K, I was just living my life.


Link to global warming and human activity:

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#.VWuOnyyCOK0
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Again, Greenland is going to be just fine...


"Right now, Greenland and the Poles are melting like they have not melted in thousands of years - much longer than when the Roman Empire existed." - Aspen


Ummmm, no....


http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/05/heres-why-global-warming-alarmists-dont-talk-about-greenland/

From the article:

"Danish Meteorological Institute data shows Greenland is accumulating more ice than normal, based on the mean accumulation from 1990 to 2013."

"Northeast Greenland saw its coldest May on record since measurements started back in 1949, and the island as a whole is colder than normal."

"Nuuk, the capital of Greenland, has also seen its coldest year on record, according to science blogger Steven Goddard."

"Greenland is also seeing much less ice melt than normal, according to the Danish Meteorological Institute. "


"Hurricanes have increased in strength and there are increased droughts in California and Oregon and Texas is underwater. Only time will tell is this is related." - Aspen

- We are currently seeing RECORD FEW numbers of hurricanes. Just the opposite of what the Global Warming zealots guaranteed was going to happen.
- Some are stronger, but not at record strength, meaning we have seen them at that strength before.
- California has droughts on a cyclical basis going back millennia. This is not a first or the worst.
- Oregon and Texas have seen rains like this before, as well. Big stretch to say it is due to 'climate change' this particular time.


But those two sentences of yours are also a contradiction.

The first sentence strongly implies that is due to 'Global Warming.' Your second sentence say we will have to wait and see.

Making claims without waiting for proof. Isn't that a calling card of a 'zealot?'
 

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Foreigner said:
Again, Greenland is going to be just fine...


"Right now, Greenland and the Poles are melting like they have not melted in thousands of years - much longer than when the Roman Empire existed." - Aspen


Ummmm, no....


http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/05/heres-why-global-warming-alarmists-dont-talk-about-greenland/

From the article:

"Danish Meteorological Institute data shows Greenland is accumulating more ice than normal, based on the mean accumulation from 1990 to 2013."

"Northeast Greenland saw its coldest May on record since measurements started back in 1949, and the island as a whole is colder than normal."

"Nuuk, the capital of Greenland, has also seen its coldest year on record, according to science blogger Steven Goddard."

"Greenland is also seeing much less ice melt than normal, according to the Danish Meteorological Institute. "

"Hurricanes have increased in strength and there are increased droughts in California and Oregon and Texas is underwater. Only time will tell is this is related." - Aspen

- We are currently seeing RECORD FEW numbers of hurricanes. Just the opposite of what the Global Warming zealots guaranteed was going to happen.
- Some are stronger, but not at record strength, meaning we have seen them at that strength before.
- California has droughts on a cyclical basis going back millennia. This is not a first or the worst.
- Oregon and Texas have seen rains like this before, as well. Big stretch to say it is due to 'climate change' this particular time.


But those two sentences of yours are also a contradiction.

The first sentence strongly implies that is due to 'Global Warming.' Your second sentence say we will have to wait and see.

Making claims without waiting for proof. Isn't that a calling card of a 'zealot?'
So you want me to trust Tucker Carlson over the opinions of the majority of climate scientists?

I believe the world watched Jon Stewart exposed Tucker as a partisan hack almost a decade ago.......

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

Nothing has changed.

Now, back to the scientific community......

http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/
 

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Tucker Carlson? lol Honestly Aspen, that's what you are reduced to? You know he has nothing to do with it.


But you know who DOES have something to do with it. The Danish Meteorological Institute and NOAA. <----- You know....the "Scientific Community"


THEY are the ones who provided the facts and the graphs that handily refuted you.

For example:

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/greenlands-ice-sheet-winter-growth-above-average.html

--"This year the area of melt is less than 2 percent – the latest start to a melt season on record," he writes, noting: "Temperatures have plummeted over the past decade."

--"Northeast Greenland also saw its coldest May on record since measurements started back in 1949, while the island as a whole is colder than normal."

--"Ice is ACCUMULATING ON GREENLAND AT A FASTER RATE THAN AVERAGE, according to the latest data. This follows A DRAMATIC SLOW DOWN IN THE MELT RATE observed last summer...."

--"ICE IS CURRENTLY ACCUMULATING AT A FASTER RATE THA AVERAGE over the period from 1990 to 2011 and since the end of November IT HAS BEEN GROWING AT ITS FASTEST RATE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, according to the DMI data."

--"This increased rate of ice accumulation follows a virtual standstill in the loss of mass from the huge ice sheet last year that was reported by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) of the US."


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=CHP18871108.2.35&srpos=133&e=-------100--101----0glaciers+melting
"...that state of things is found by calculations from the year 1122 A.D., and it is precisely at that time that we find Danes and several Scandinavian Nations going through the Arctic open seas."

"Colonies are established by them in the highest north latitude of Greenland and he upper part of North America...but those colonies were relinquished on account of increasing cold."


I am pretty sure Tucker Carlson wasn't around during this time ^ ^ ^ ^

That means we've been down this path before (likely many times) and I am pretty sure Man-Made Pollution had nothing to do with that.

Again, Greenland is going to be...just...fine...
 

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One should watch the video on Glacier Park in teh US which is rapidly loosing its glaciers, here in Aus the temps south are gettin warmer, there are species of fish normally found in northen waters now migrating south because the seas are warming this also means that cyslones may move south, yes teh climate always changes just read about David killing lions and bears its all desert now. But we certainly have done a lot to speed it up doesnt take a scientis to realist if you chop down all you rain forest it will have an affect. Could always just bury ones head in the sand, christians are good at doing that.
 

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This is prophecy. I think if God don't do this planet Earth will not make it to the appointed time as he said. I also think that at least 700 ft. above sea level you may be safe I'm 1500 but Gods covering is what protects. Not a good time to buy beach front property.

3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

What is he measuring.

4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

What ever it is its moving eastward.

5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

Must have been dry when we started.

Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

This will set the Gog Magog becasue the deserts will be as a garden.
 

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Maybe after all the ice is gone we will be able to call it Greenland as it will actually be green! Arctic cotton grass in Greenland....

michael-arctic-cotton-grass-eriophorum-scheuchzeri-flowering-in-sisimiut-greenland-polar-regions.jpg
 

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And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Isaiah and Micah both speak of this time comming, Their are many people now that have moved to high altitude to try to get away of the things comming. Some have started small survival community.
 

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Greenland is melting, and Australia is getting colder, I have never seen so many days under 12c in Melbourne in my life, i am only 19 tho haha, and have only lived in Victoria for 12 years, so the past 11 years of living in Victoria, must have been pretty warm years. Snowstorms in New South Wales also seem to be happening more often, low level snow seems to be a common thing this Winter in South-Eastern Australia, it rarely snows in Queensland, but it snowed 2 years ago there, and it snowed a few weeks ago in the Sunshine State again. I guess this is how the weather in Australia used to be 40 - 50 years ago?
 

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brakelite said:
Environmentalists and governments are worried about the increasing ice in the seas around the antarctic. Access to the mainland is proving more difficult, and the usual ships they have been using are proving inadequate to break the ice. Work that out.
I just heard that some scientists are claiming that, at the rate it's going now; in ten years no one will be able to get around the tip of south America. They also say that sailing around the north pole will be accessible. Sounds like the snow is just migrating from one side of the planet to the other.
 

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ChristianJuggarnaut said:
Bottom line:

Climate changes. It has done so for approximately 6,000 years (LOL, see what I did there).

We can't control it. We have ruined things here in many ways, but climate isn't one of them per se.
This is very insightful in so many ways. What this whole climate change issue is really about is just a distraction from the real pollution. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is as necessary to life as H2O. Huge corporations can afford to retool or spend the money required to retrofit their operations to capture CO2 emissions, while their underfinanced competitors can't afford these prohibitively high expenses. Thus the competition is eliminated, while the real problem goes effectively unnoticed resulting in an even higher ROI for the oligarchs in control. Not that long ago, the founder of Greenpeace resigned in disgust revealing that all environmental organizations have been taken over by the corporate elite.
 

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Josho said:
Greenland is melting, and Australia is getting colder, I have never seen so many days under 12c in Melbourne in my life, i am only 19 tho haha, and have only lived in Victoria for 12 years, so the past 11 years of living in Victoria, must have been pretty warm years. Snowstorms in New South Wales also seem to be happening more often, low level snow seems to be a common thing this Winter in South-Eastern Australia, it rarely snows in Queensland, but it snowed 2 years ago there, and it snowed a few weeks ago in the Sunshine State again. I guess this is how the weather in Australia used to be 40 - 50 years ago?
I live in the "Sunshine State" aka Florida, in Citrus county. Citrus county hasn't had commercial oranges growing here in almost thirty years. Why? Too cold. I was thinking about going down to Key West, but it was down in the lower 60's during the middle of the day; too cold for me. It doesn't warm up until you get down to Puerto Rico or the Cayman Islands; might as well just go all the way down to the equator just to be on the safe side.
 

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aspen said:
Foreigner

You have failed to address the ice core evidence from Greenland. Glaciers are melting that have existed for thousands of years.
Al Gore may believe he is a scientist and the creator of the Internet, but he is neither.
Predicting exactly how the Earth is going to respond to warmer temperatures is a guessing game. All we can do is watch what is happening now.

Right now, Greenland and the Poles are melting like they have not melted in thousands of years - much longer than when the Roman Empire existed.

Hurricanes have increased in strength and there are increased droughts in California and Oregon and Texas is underwater. Only time will tell is this is related.

I am not a conspiracy theorist - when people were stock pilling for Y2K, I was just living my life.


Link to global warming and human activity:

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#.VWuOnyyCOK0
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Some startling evidence has been released showing that the entire solar system is warming up. Lo and behold, the alarmists are claiming that each and every planet that is warming up is for completely different reasons which rules out that the solar system is just simply warming up for the same reason. How fortunate that the earth's rising temps can be conclusively attributed to us, and that we're not being blamed for destroying the rest of the solar system, not to mention the entire galaxy.
 

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aspen said:
Antarctic ice cores show us that the concentration of CO2 was stable over the last millennium until the early 19th century. It then started to rise, and its concentration is now nearly 40% higher than it was before the industrial revolution (see Fig. 2 overleaf). Other measurements (e.g. isotopic data) confirm that the increase must be due to emissions of CO2 from fossil fuel usage and deforestation. Measurements from older ice cores (discussed below) confirm that both the magnitude and rate of the recent increase are almost certainly unprecedented over the last 800,000 years. The fastest large natural increase measured in older ice cores is around 20ppmv (parts per million by volume) in 1,000 years (a rate seen during Earth’s emergence from the last ice age around 12,000 years ago). CO2 concentration increased by the same amount, 20ppmv, in the last 10 years! Methane (CH4), another important greenhouse gas, also shows a huge and unprecedented increase in concentration over the last two centuries. Its concentration is now much more than double its pre-industrial level. This is mainly due to the increase in emissions from sources such as rice fields, ruminant animals and landfills, that comes on top of natural emissions from wetlands and other sources.
It is an undisputed fact that CO2 levels are currently at around 400 ppm. It is also an undisputed fact that at 150 ppm all life on this planet becomes extinct. CO2 levels are dangerously low. This is a disputed fact for some unknown reason. How low do we really need to get CO2 levels before we stop this insanity? Some have pointed out that the earth is self regulating. Perhaps the earth needed to raise CO2 levels so humanity came along and saved the day with the industrial revolution. Many scientists have concluded that if it weren't for the industrial revolution all life would have become extinct within 50k years; not that long in the lifespan of the earth.