Habakkuk's End Time Warning

[Keraz]

So, you say what you believe the Rapture IS;
You say "when Jesus Returns".
You reference 1 Thes 4:17.
1 Thes 4:17 does not mention Jesus Returning.
And then you say IN OTHER Threads, The Rapture IS False.

Confusing.

What Paul prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17, is a transportation, from where the Lord's faithful Christian people are to where He is, in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.
You need to clarify what you mean by 'rapture'. If you believe it means being taken [as your name implies] to heaven before any Judgement, then I ask for scripture to prove it.

Scripture for your claim?

Galatians 6:14-16 All of Galatians chapter 6 is about Christians. It is error to suddenly add Jews to at the end.

 

[Taken]

What Paul prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17, is a transportation, from where the Lord's faithful Christian people are to where He is, in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.

You need to clarify what you mean by 'rapture'.

Already have, EXPRESSLY, on more than one occasion.

If you believe it means being taken [as your name implies] to heaven

My "name" does not imply "taken" to heaven.
That is your imagination, nothing I've said.
I have seen NO ONE, who believe in the Rapture, "claim", they are taken to Heaven.

The only one I have seen make an Argument "AGAINST', the RAPTURE meaning Taken to Heaven IS....YOU.

But....WHO exactly are you Agruing WITH?
You broadly say....the Rapture is False...
And your reasoning is: Because people who believe in the Rapture, "THINK" they are taken up to Heaven....
Point is, there are People ON THIS FORUM, who DO believe in the RAPTURE....Yet you have NOT identified ONE person, WHO is making such a claim; "THEY are raptured TO HEAVEN."

Again...Why are YOU making FALSE "claims" of what Rapture Believers Believe?
It's DECEPTION to make claims, for other people, that they themselves have not made.

before any Judgement, then I ask for scripture to prove it.

Well okay....Can you do the same?
Can you prove any person here is Claiming, they will be Raptured "TO HEAVEN" ?
That would require a "quote" of a person on this forum to have themselve to have said that.

 

[Taken]

Galatians 6:14-16 All of Galatians chapter 6 is about Christians. It is error to suddenly add Jews to at the end.

Gal 6: 14-16... ? Circumcision...is that a response to something? Responding to what?

All of Galatians chap 6 is about Christians?

Where is Christian's mentioned?

 

[Keraz]

Well okay....Can you do the same?

I did prove that the 'harparzo' in 1 Thess 4:17 is a transportation. Through the earths atmosphere to Jerusalem, where Jesus will be. As Zechariah 14:3 and many other scriptures say Jesus will rule and reign from.

Jesus made a plain statement: John 3:13 No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there.

Where is Christian's mentioned?

Who is Paul writing to in Galatians? The Christian Galatians, of course. If he meant to address any Jews, he would have said so.

Taken, you obviously have strong beliefs: what do you think is our destiny?
Habakkuk prophesies some very dramatic things, will they literally happen?

 

[Taken]

I did prove that the 'harparzo' in 1 Thess 4:17 is a transportation.

So...
You believe in "harparzo"....but not the "rapture"?

They are the same thing....different languages.

Through the earths atmosphere to Jerusalem, where Jesus will be.

You skipped the important;
"IN Christ" NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH...
And ...
Greek Harpazo - snatch up
Latin Rapere' - to catch up
English Rapture - caught up
Of those IN Christ "UP" in the clouds,
With THEIR "Lord".

It is the "Son of man", (without Power), who came to Earth.
It is the "Son of man" (with Power), who Left the Earth.
It is the "Son of man" (with Power), who RETURNS to EARTH.

Jesus made a plain statement: John 3:13 No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there.

No kidding. So WHY DO "YOU", keep preaching the Rapture means (to Rapture Believers)...going up to Heaven?
Are you confused to the difference between Clouds and Heaven?

 

[Taken]

Who is Paul writing to in Galatians? The Christian Galatians, of course. If he meant to address any Jews, he would have said so.

What do you mean?
A "Christian Galatians", was "ONLY" a Gentile?

 

[Taken]

Taken, you obviously have strong beliefs: what do you think is our destiny?

"Our" destiny? Mankind. (In Brief)
Depends on "who", "OUR" includes.
* Living man, Faithful to God, Under the Law .......Saved.
* Living man, Jesus revealed, known to a man; the man Faithful to God and Jesus
.......Saved. (Not appointed to Wrath).
* God known to a Living man, man rejects;
.......(appointed to Wrath)
.......Accepts God....Saved
.......Rejects God.....Not Saved.
* Jesus revealed to a Living man, man rejects
.......(appointed to Wrath)
.......Accepts Jesus.......Saved.
.......Rejects Jesus........Not Saved.
* Men (while Alive in their Flesh "on Earth"
......DIVIDED between Believers and Not
* Men (while Flesh dead or Flesh alive, having Heard, Believe IN God AND Believe IN Jesus, Willfully and Heartfully Converted IN Christ;
- Risen Up to the Clouds (body, soul, spirit)
- SEPARATED UNTO the Lord;
- SEPARATED FROM Non- believers on Earth;
- SEPARATED FROM Wrath upon the Earth;
* Dead in God (before Jesus' arrival).
- Body's remain buried.
- Souls and spirits, already IN Heaven.
* Tribulation UPON the Earth.
- Lambs Wrath
- Devils Wrath
* During the Lambs Wrath, Devils Wrath;
....Living men are suffering Wrath, Choosing,
God, Jesus, "becoming" Saved, (Soul & spirit), Bodies killed (remain on Earth);
.....Or
choosing Satan, "and" remaining Alive
- continue "increased" suffering
- suffering Gods great Wrath
- Bodys killed await judgement
- Unsaved souls sent to hell to wait judgement
*Lord in Clouds with Risen Converted,
Descend to Earth. Lord sits in His Earthly Kingdom, 1,000 years "with" His Converted immortals.
- A bodily Saved remnant of mortals, repopulat the earth generationally during the 1,000 years, void of Satan's, & other fallen angels presence.
- End of 1,000 years Satan returns to Earth,
Again influences mortals.
- Again mortals DIVIDE. Believing and not.
* Spiritual warfare.
* Son of Man [/B]Returns to Earth[/B]
- Every Eye...in heaven, on earth, in the earth, in the seas;
SEE, the Son of Man, Returning, "WITH POWER".
* the DIVIDED, "with and without" the Lord God...."all raised and judged"
* Separated WITH the Lord God...JUDGED...
SAVED; body risen in glory, saved soul returns to body, quickened spirit returns to body; THEY:
REWARDED "FOR" good works, which Glorified God. All other works burned.
* Separated WITHOUT the Lord God...risen in corrupt body, unsaved soul returns to corrupt body. ALL SEE the Judge, Believe He IS Christ the Lord, BOW Down to Him in Worship;
- Books opened
- Their names do not appear in Gods Book of Life (name blotted out).
- Their names do not appear in the Lambs Book of Life (name never entered).
- Judgement (according to the Books Evidence)...
- Life in their soul, returns to God.
- Their Lifeless body and Lifeless soul destroyed in hell, they remembered no more.
* As it is IN Heaven, So is it become MADE so on Earth. The Lord God Almighty, King and God with All immortal Faithful occupying Gods Kingdom and He their God and they His sons.

 

[Taken]

Habakkuk prophesies some very dramatic things, will they literally happen?

Habakkuk...
Is much about trust of God being all powerful, YET, a puzzlement of WHY Gods People has so much suffering.

THAT, is not much different than what A LOT of people, through the centuries and TO THIS DAY are puzzled about.
You can hear that among people, see it portrayed in movies.....
Implying, saying, "if God exists, if God is so powerful, HOW can He stand by, DO nothing when People are suffering"....

Habakkuk...is about Habakkuk expressing the same similar thing.... a plea of sorts, God "DO SOMETHING".

In one respect....Habakkuk, recognizes men "rejecting God", "SHOULD" be accountable to the person themselves.

Habakkuk 1:
[7] They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

What seems to puzzle Habakkuk, is WHY God does not STOP the persecution of the ungodly upon the godly.

What God says to Habakkuk; takes awhile for Habakkuk to Grasp...as to this day, many do not grasp...
1:5
[5] Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

God fortells through His spoken and published KNOWLEDGE.
Yes, faithful men WILL exist bodily Alive among heathens, non-believers, rejecters of the Lord God, VISUALLY suffer at the hands of heathens....
YET SPIRITUALLY, UNSEEN, God works His Wonderful Powerful Works, WITHIN a Faithful man....that is revealed to BE SEEN, in a day
Of Gods choosing.

It's a paradox of sorts. God is All Powerful, YET do we wonder, consider, of Gods own Suffering of Rejection? Does God Suffer, at the hand of them WHO Reject Him? Or do we only Focus on ourselves, suffering at the hands of men who reject God?
* IF we desire to be changed, MADE anew, in Gods Likeness, Do we consider, To BE IN Gods Likeness, INCLUDES, being rejected, suffering at the hands of God rejectors? And comforted BEING with God? AND patient...accepting ALL in due time of the Lord Gods choosing?

Yes...For Centuries men have experienced men again men.
Yes...For Centuries men have experienced
Little, bit by bit "peeks" "previews" of sorts, of Gods Power UPON the Earth.
(Raging forest fires, water polluted, water dried up, hurricanes, seas roaring up, earthquakes on dry land, earthquakes under the seas, droughts, famines, insect infestations, sand, rain, wind, snow, lightening STORMS, crops destroyed, sun not shinning, on and on and the death results.....here and there sporadic over centuries of time)...
We do not have to IMAGINE what we can and have SEEN....
* Yes....those things, ^^ shall come to pass exponentially, in a very SHORT time span, as we HAVE NOT SEEN Before, or shall ever it be again.
* Yes...those aleady Saved, Born Again, Quickened, shall NOT suffer that time span ON Earth.
* Yes....during that SHORT time span, many unsaved men SHALL seek and Choose the Lord God, and their suffering Cease.
* Yes....during that SHORT time span, many unsaved men SHALL continue to reject the Lord God, and their suffering INcrease.

Glory Glory Glory, To our
True and Faithful Great Lord God Almighty.

Taken

 

[Truth7t7]

What Paul prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17, is a transportation, from where the Lord's faithful Christian people are to where He is, in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.
You need to clarify what you mean by 'rapture'. If you believe it means being taken [as your name implies] to heaven before any Judgement, then I ask for scripture to prove it.

Galatians 6:14-16 All of Galatians chapter 6 is about Christians. It is error to suddenly add Jews to at the end.

The "Harpazo" Takes Place At The Second Coming, When Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory (The End)

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

What Paul prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17, is a transportation, from where the Lord's faithful Christian people are to where He is, in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.
You need to clarify what you mean by 'rapture'. If you believe it means being taken [as your name implies] to heaven before any Judgement, then I ask for scripture to prove it.

Galatians 6:14-16 All of Galatians chapter 6 is about Christians. It is error to suddenly add Jews to at the end.

The (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, no Millennium on Earth follows the "Harpazo" seen below

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

What Paul prophesies in 1 Thess 4:17, is a transportation, from where the Lord's faithful Christian people are to where He is, in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.
You need to clarify what you mean by 'rapture'. If you believe it means being taken [as your name implies] to heaven before any Judgement, then I ask for scripture to prove it.

Galatians 6:14-16 All of Galatians chapter 6 is about Christians. It is error to suddenly add Jews to at the end.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Keraz]

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

Your repeatedly posted scriptures do not support your beliefs.
There will be a Millennium reign of Jesus, it is His reward.
Only after that will the new heavens and earth appear.
The 'harparzo' will happen, the Christians will go to where Jesus will be; in Jerusalem.

Habakkuk...is about Habakkuk expressing the same similar thing.... a plea of sorts, God "DO SOMETHING".

Habakkuk 1:5 Look around you among the nations, see there a sight that will utterly astound you, you will not believe it when you are told of what is being done in your days.

Acts 13:40-41 Beware, then lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom proclaimed by the prophets. Look, you who fail to grasp the truth, be surprised and perish. I am doing a work in your days, something that you will not believe, even though it has been pointed out to you.

This is the parallel passage from the New Testament. Paul's quote, was nothing to do with Jesus and His work on the cross, the message of salvation is not ‘doom’.

It applies to the end times: ‘your days’, not his days, but our days.
Therefore it is up to us to take heed of the warnings, Isaiah 24:1, Isaiah 26:20-21 and to be prepared for all the effects of a massive explosion on the suns surface, that will kill about 1/3 of the world’s population and will destroy all of our modern infrastructure. Jeremiah 9:22

Then, for all who love the Lord and keep His Commandments, the Lord is ‘waiting to show His favor’, Isaiah 30:18-20

 

[Taken]

Your repeatedly posted scriptures do not support your beliefs.

So...you are thus addressing such supposed non support beliefs? Lets see.

There will be a Millennium reign of Jesus, it is His reward.

Already acknowledged the Son of Man's, millennium reign.

Only after that will the new heavens and earth appear.

Never said otherwise.
The new heavens and earth can not be revealed during the millennium reign...
Because Mortals still exist on the Earth.
( a longer more indept study )

The 'harparzo' will happen,

The "harparzo", is the Greek term.
The "rapturo", is the Latin term.
The "rapture, is the English term.
All the same meaning, different Languages.
Same meanings...snatched, caught, taken, quickly........ UP

the Christians will go to where Jesus will be;

You use a general term "Christians".
(Christian has multiple meanings. A Follower of Jesus, (who is NOT Converted), A Follower of Jesus (who IS Converted).
Christians;
(Convolutes a specific "TIMEFRAME", with non-specific actors).
You use the name "Jesus".
Also (Convolutes a specific "NAME", with non-specific actor).

in Jerusalem.

Jerusalem (during the 1,000 yr reign)...
You imply IS the "Harparzo" of a group (expressly called Christians) being "TAKEN UP".
Jerusalem ON Earth, is not UP.
Jerusalem (a NEW city) is IN Heaven.
No one goes UP to the new Jerusalem IN Heaven.
The new Jerusalem Comes DOWN FROM Heaven TO EARTH, after the 1,000 year reign.

Habakkuk 1:5 Look around you among the nations, see there a sight that will utterly astound you, you will not believe it when you are told of what is being done in your days.

Acts 13:40-41 Beware, then lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom proclaimed by the prophets. Look, you who fail to grasp the truth, be surprised and perish. I am doing a work in your days, something that you will not believe, even though it has been pointed out to you.

This is the parallel passage from the New Testament. Paul's quote, was nothing to do with Jesus and His work on the cross, the message of salvation is not ‘doom’.

It applies to the end times: ‘your days’, not his days, but our days.
Therefore it is up to us to take heed of the warnings, Isaiah 24:1, Isaiah 26:20-21 and to be prepared for all the effects of a massive explosion on the suns surface, that will kill about 1/3 of the world’s population and will destroy all of our modern infrastructure. Jeremiah 9:22

Then, for all who love the Lord and keep His Commandments, the Lord is ‘waiting to show His favor’, Isaiah 30:18-20[/QUOTE]

Convolutions terms, gets a convoluted result.
* The beginning in ancient days, men were given Gods Grace and Gods gift of Faith...
Their endurance TO Keep their Faith to the End of physical Life, SAVED them, that their status was they became MADE SAINTS.
THAT ^ ORDER and WAY applied to OT men.
THAT ^ ORDER and WAY Continues to apply to JEWS, who to this day, elect to Remain Under their Laws.
* Jesus revealed and offered A NEW Order and Way, for All men....Jew and Gentile to Receive a "promised" status, of "SAINT", by and through Receiving their Offering of "SALVATION"... BEFORE their physical death.
* You imply that ONLY applies to "all" men WHO call themselves "CHRISTIANS".
* Scripture reveals that ONLY applies to "all" men WHO have "agreed" to Become "MADE CONVERTED IN Christ".
* There ARE men, WHO DO Call themselves "CHRISTIANS", WHO ARE NOT, Converted IN Christ.
* There ARE men, WHO ARE Converted IN Christ, WHO DO NOT call themselves "CHRISTIANS".
* Calling UP the Converted "IN CHRIST", is NOT calling them UP to Jerusalem.
* Calling one UP (Harparzo, Rapture), IS the event of "ANY" man IN Christ, being called UP, they Hear, (given notice) by the Voice of the archangel.
* They DO NOTHING of their OWN WILL.
* They ARE risen UP, by the POWER to God, to the Clouds.
* IN the Clouds, THEY MEET, their Lord.
* Because THEIR Lord, who IS IN Heaven, at the time of "their' Calling, Their Lord will have Descended From Heaven TO the Clouds, TO MEET THEM.

1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

WHY are THOSE WORDS "comforting" for a man "IN CHRIST" to hear and know?

Because IF you study the Scriptures of the ORDER and WAY, events shall unfold...
Tribulation Shall be revealed upon the face of the Earth.
The Wrath (Anger) of the Lamb, the Devil, God Himself shall be Revealed upon the face of the Earth.
* Expressly, a man IN CHRIST, "IS" "IN" absolute Faith-FULLNESS, to God AND Christ, and IS NOT "appointed to / subject to" WRATH.

1 Thes 4: Words ARE Comforting for a man "IN CHRIST"... TO KNOW, Gods Plan, Gods WAY, of Exactly HOW, He KEEPS "all men", Faith-FULL, to God and Christ, FROM the disasters to come upon the face of the Earth, (which are Expressly intended to Negatively Affect the People Remaining upon the face of the Earth.)

It is a "REPEAT" of the First Tribulation upon the Earth....the Great Flood.
It is a "REPEAT" of the SAVED being LIFTED UP above the face of the earth.
It is a "REPEAT" of the unsaved ON THE EARTH, "subjected to" the Devastation UPON the face of the Earth.

In the First Tribulation...the Saved were Lifted UP from the Face of the Earth, to the Face of the Water.
In the Last Tribulation...the Saved shall be Lifted UP from the Face of the Earth, to the Clouds...(guess what is in clouds...?)
Same parallel, water.

Gen 7:
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Heb 11:
[7] By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Men are warned of a coming tribulation.
The Prepared, ARE the Faith-FULL, to God, to Christ, Converted, IN Christ. They LIKE Noah, ARE SAVED FROM THE EFFECTS OF THE NEXT (and last) Tribulation.

Accomplished in a Different WAY...but remember...Same result.
Ecc 1;
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[Keraz]

So...you are thus addressing such supposed non support beliefs? Lets see.

I said to Truth7t7, that his scriptures did not match his beliefs.

Men are warned of a coming tribulation.

Basically that is my only concern; to warn people about what the Lord plans to do.
Over 100 Bible prophesies tell us in vivid detail all about it. Sadly most seem to be unable to comprehend anything about it.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your repeatedly posted scriptures do not support your beliefs.
There will be a Millennium reign of Jesus, it is His reward.
Only after that will the new heavens and earth appear.
The 'harparzo' will happen, the Christians will go to where Jesus will be; in Jerusalem.

Habakkuk 1:5 Look around you among the nations, see there a sight that will utterly astound you, you will not believe it when you are told of what is being done in your days.

Acts 13:40-41 Beware, then lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom proclaimed by the prophets. Look, you who fail to grasp the truth, be surprised and perish. I am doing a work in your days, something that you will not believe, even though it has been pointed out to you.

This is the parallel passage from the New Testament. Paul's quote, was nothing to do with Jesus and His work on the cross, the message of salvation is not ‘doom’.

It applies to the end times: ‘your days’, not his days, but our days.
Therefore it is up to us to take heed of the warnings, Isaiah 24:1, Isaiah 26:20-21 and to be prepared for all the effects of a massive explosion on the suns surface, that will kill about 1/3 of the world’s population and will destroy all of our modern infrastructure. Jeremiah 9:22

Then, for all who love the Lord and keep His Commandments, the Lord is ‘waiting to show His favor’, Isaiah 30:18-20

Jesus Christ will dissolve this earth by fire at his return, the teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a man made fairy tale

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.