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Sie book of thomas is not recognized true sound doctrine . But second thess chapter one verse eight , THAT IS RECOGNIZED .
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Yes.

= Jesus is not coming back to lay down His Life again.
He's coming back "with Vengeance "

"in FLAMING FIRE"....

To JUDGE those who "do not obey the Gospel" = Believe it.

The "church" the "body of Christ" has already believe it, so they wont be here...for that one.

Welcome to : The Rapture of the Church.
 
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Yes.

= Jesus is not coming back to lay down His Life again.
He's coming back "with Vengeance "

"in FLAMING FIRE"....

To JUDGE those who "do not obey the Gospel" = Believe it.

The "church" the "body of Christ" has already believe it, so they wont be here...for that one.

Welcome to : The Rapture of the Church.
Yep . And GOD shall send a strong delusion that they should believe a lie . WHY , cause they REJECTED THE GOSPEL
So again i remind us , WHY are so many going after this other false go spell from hell .
SOUNDS like a strong delusion is gathering ALL the false religions and the false within Christendom
to believe a lie that all paths are fine , to gather them as one under the dragon . And they will be damned .
JESUS is a coming to do TWO THINGS . To call His church HOME as HE delivers the wrath against the ungodly .
My advice is , folks better stop heeding these oprah whimphrey and pope franics types . Cause that LIE
they preach will not , cannot not , shall not SAVE ONE SINGEL SOUL . No matter how lovey dovey it sounds , IT WONT save them .
ALL religoins , CEPT TRUE CHRISTANITY , IS FALSE . Budda could not save himself nor his many followers through all ages .
new age cannot save them , muhammed cannot save them . All the gods of the hinuds cannot save them .
GOD , HIS CHRIST , HE SAVES . THUS we must preach BELIEVE YE IN HIM . Cause nutting else gonna save one singel soul .
TRUTH is , and john said it best , IF one believes NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , they are anti christ .
Its rather something to see the beauty of how simple things are , IN THE SCRIPTURES .
JESUS himself says , and says more than once , IF YE BELIEVE NOT , YE WILL BE DAMNED . And the apostels
said the same . SO WE better too . GIVE out NO FALSE HOPE . SOUND out TRUE HOPE
JESUS CHRIST the ONLY NAME WHEREBY ONE MAY BE SAVED .
 
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Almighty god, the triune Yahweh is Truth. Jesus said this:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This can only be true or false. If true all other perspectives other than the revealed Word of God, may contains truths, but are not THE truth.

If it is false then Jesus is a liar and should be absolutely rejected, or He is a lunatic for boasting so exclusively.
It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of Truth. He spoke for the Truth, he acted as Truth, and he upheld the Truth. He had a perfect relationship with Truth so much that when he spoke it wasn't him anymore it was the Truth speaking through him. It can be seen as a divine allegory. Jesus was completely removed from his fleshly nature or his ego. He was not speaking for himself, rather it was God speaking through him.
 
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It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of Truth. He spoke for the Truth, he acted as Truth, and he upheld the Truth. He had a perfect relationship with Truth so much that when he spoke it wasn't him anymore it was the Truth speaking through him. It can be seen as a divine allegory. Jesus was completely removed from his fleshly nature or his ego. He was not speaking for himself, rather it was God speaking through him.
Man cannot make himself like the Most High as your post suggests. Jesus existed with God from eternity and is the only unique Son of God. Jesus did not "become" truth and morality. He is and always was and always will be (perfect) truth and morality, because He is God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Man was created (creature) in the image and likeness of God (Creator). Satan's lie - the first lie - was that man, the creature - could become like God, the Creator, who alone has (eternal) life in Himself. Jesus alone has eternal life in Himself.

-- He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. --- (1 Timothy 6:15-16, NETfree version).

"For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" John 5:26

"I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hades and of death." Revelation 1:17-18.

We only have eternal life in Christ, whose eternal life is in Himself. Adam's eternal life was in Christ, His Creator, by whom and through whom all things were created, and by whom all things consist. Adam's eternal life was not in himself.

The first lie was that Adam would not (most definitely) die if he disobeyed the Word of God.

The Son of God was not born of a human father's seed. He is also the Son of man in that He became a human being, taking on human flesh.

Your pretense that you hold in your imagination that you can attain to the same status as Jesus the Christ "by aligning yourself with truth and morality" is a lie that you believe, because your truth and morality will never be perfect (but Christ's is and was and always will be).

We cannot align ourselves with (perfect) truth and morality because (perfect) truth and morality are the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God, and only by dwelling in Him - Christ - can this fruit of God be produced in us (by the Holy Spirit of God). On our own, apart from Christ we can do nothing.

God's (perfect) truth and morality = fruit: The fruit of the Spirit of Christ (not our fruit).


You're only expressing what is the vain imagination of men and women who believe they can make themselves like (perfect) truth and morality by aligning themselves with truth and morality, i.e "make themselves like God, the Most High".

The truth is that (perfect) truth and morality was personified in Jesus the Messiah who took on human flesh to die for our actions and thoughts and desires (sin) which are born from our inability to align ourselves with perfect truth and morality, and rose again from the dead, that in Him through faith in the only true and moral one, we may have everlasting life - the everlasting life that Adam had in Him, in whom alone is life, before Adam believed the lie (that you believe - that he could make himself like God), and sinned, and began to die.

It was God's work to put His image and likeness into Adam, not Adam's. Adam could not maintain it aside from Christ our Creator, because the image and likeness of God is a product of the fruit of the Spirit of God (God's fruit, not ours).
 
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Almighty god, the triune Yahweh is Truth. Jesus said this:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This can only be true or false. If true all other perspectives other than the revealed Word of God, may contains truths, but are not THE truth.

If it is false then Jesus is a liar and should be absolutely rejected, or He is a lunatic for boasting so exclusively.
It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of Truth
Man cannot make himself like the Most High as your post suggests. Jesus existed with God from eternity and is the only unique Son of God. Jesus did not "become" truth and morality. He is and always was and always will be (perfect) truth and morality, because He is God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Man was created (creature) in the image and likeness of God (Creator). Satan's lie - the first lie - was that man, the creature - could become like God, the Creator, who alone has (eternal) life in Himself. Jesus alone has eternal life in Himself.

-- He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. --- (1 Timothy 6:15-16, NETfree version).

"For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" John 5:26

"I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hades and of death." Revelation 1:17-18.

We only have eternal life in Christ, whose eternal life is in Himself. Adam's eternal life was in Christ, His Creator, by whom and through whom all things were created, and by whom all things consist. Adam's eternal life was not in himself.

The first lie was that Adam would not (most definitely) die if he disobeyed the Word of God.

The Son of God was not born of a human father's seed. He is also the Son of man in that He became a human being, taking on human flesh.

Your pretense that you hold in your imagination that you can attain to the same status as Jesus the Christ "by aligning yourself with truth and morality" is a lie that you believe, because your truth and morality will never be perfect (but Christ's is and was and always will be).

We cannot align ourselves with (perfect) truth and morality because (perfect) truth and morality are the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God, and only by dwelling in Him - Christ - can this fruit of God be produced in us (by the Holy Spirit of God). On our own, apart from Christ we can do nothing.

God's (perfect) truth and morality = fruit: The fruit of the Spirit of Christ (not our fruit).


You're only expressing what is the vain imagination of men and women who believe they can make themselves like (perfect) truth and morality by aligning themselves with truth and morality, i.e "make themselves like God, the Most High".

The truth is that (perfect) truth and morality was personified in Jesus the Messiah who took on human flesh to die for our actions and thoughts and desires (sin) which are born from our inability to align ourselves with perfect truth and morality, and rose again from the dead, that in Him through faith in the only true and moral one, we may have everlasting life - the everlasting life that Adam had in Him, in whom alone is life, before Adam believed the lie (that you believe - that he could make himself like God), and sinned, and began to die.

It was God's work to put His image and likeness into Adam, not Adam's. Adam could not maintain it aside from Christ our Creator, because the image and likeness of God is a product of the fruit of the Spirit of God (God's fruit, not ours).
I guess this is where we disagree. We read the bible differently but that's ok.
 

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1. the demons are not in hell right now. Demons are defined as those who went with Satan i the great Rebellion (the 1/3 of rev.). they are still loose and free and deceiving people. Satan canonly be in one place at one time so it is his underlings that do the person deceiving and oppressing etc.

2. Teh Lake of fire is not hell. Hell is the anglicized word for sheol/hades/the grave/hell. Priot to Jesus ascension there were three compartments of hell. A) Paradise/Abrahams Bosom, B) the place of torments with fire (where the rich man of Lazarus account went) C) Tartarus where teh angels who rebelled, left their first habitation (heaven) and came and had sex with human women.
The original manuscripts use three words, meaning three different things:

1. In ancient Greek mythology háidēs (hades) was the god of the underworld. His name later became synonymous with the underworld (the abode of departed souls, or the abode of the dead).

In the Septuagint the Hebrew word sheol is always translated as haides. Sheol (Hebrew) or haides (Greek) was understood even at the time of Jesus to refer to the abode of the dead.

seeing this beforehand, he (king David) spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul [psychḗ] was not left in Hades, nor would His flesh see corruption, God raised up this Jesus, of which we all are witnesses. Acts 2:31

For You will not leave My soul (nephesh) in sheol; You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption. Psalm 16:10

Hades is used interchangeably for the the grave, and the place of the dead:

"O death [thánatos], where is your sting? O grave [háidēs], where is your victory?" 1 Corinthians 15:55.

2. Jesus used gehenna (geena) as a symbol for the place of everlasting destruction (Mat.5:22). That's the only word He used when He spoke about everlasting destruction. Gehenna refers to the valley of hinnom in Jerusalem, which was considered cursed since in ancient times certain kings of Judah sacrificed their children there by fire. In time it became deemed by the Jews to be accursed, and became a symbol of the destiny of the wicked. It seems to be related to the lake of fire - everlasting destruction.

3. Tartaróō: In ancient Greek mythology, tartarus or tartaros was the place where the Titans (gods) were imprisoned after a war in which they were overthrown by the Olympian gods.

The Strongs Greek Dictionary informs us that tartaroo is the deepest abyss in hades:

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TARTARO/W ταρταρόω tartaróō tar-tar-o'-o from Τάρταρος Tártaros, (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:--cast down to hell.

In the Bible, the word tartaroo is used only once (2 Peter 2:4); and it seems to refer to an abyss or bottomless pit where Peter stated that angels who sinned are bound.

All three words are translated as "hell" in the KJV. Some English translations of the Bible sometimes translate hades as hell, and sometimes as hades.

Yet there is a difference:

13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death - the lake of fire.
15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, that person was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20

Only the word gehenna seems to be related to the lake of fire (everlasting destruction). This is what we commonly regard as "hell".

Hades is not hell, though the KJV and many English Bibles will tell you it is, because they either never (as in the case of the KJV) or sometimes make no distinction between gehenna and hades.​
 
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So it is not an eternal Hell (of punishment and destruction)

Hell is the beginning of the 2nd Death, that starts after you die.
Its the first stop regarding the eternity of the unbeliever, never born again.

Its actually not the 1st part of Damnation, as Unbelief (never born again) has already defined you as Damned, while you're still breating.

John 3:36

Here is what you can know for certain. = Everyone who went to Hell today, ... believes in it now. And they also believe in Jesus now, and it does not get them out.

There is no 2nd Chance in Hell.
You can not be born again in Hell.
 

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Hell is the beginning of the 2nd Death, that starts after you die.
Its the first stop regarding the eternity of the unbeliever, never born again.

Its actually not the 1st part of Damnation, as Unbelief (never born again) has already defined you as Damned, while you're still breating.

John 3:36

Here is what you can know for certain. = Everyone who went to Hell today, ... believes in it now. And they also believe in Jesus now, and it does not get them out.

There is no 2nd Chance in Hell.
You can not be born again in Hell.
The 2nd death will be the fate of resurrected saints who, just like Adam before he sinned and began to die, will think they can never die (as though they have life in themselves when only Christ has life in Himself). It comes at the close of a literal thousand years, when Satan is released again one last time, and all the children of Adam who had been resurrected will be tested like Adam was in the Garden of Eden.

There has been only one death of mankind till now - Adam's (mankind's) death, which came to all men.
There is only one resurrection for mankind, and it takes places with the resurrection of the last Adam, the Son of man, i.e Jesus.
There will be no 2nd sacrifice for sins, and no 2nd resurrection from the 2nd death.

The only people who are promised that the 2nd death will have no power over them are those who had already been tested and were beheaded for their refusal to worship the beast that Satan gave his seat, power and great authority.
 

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The 2nd death

There has been only one death of mankind till now - Adam's (mankind's) death, which came to all men.


The 2nd Death happens to Christ rejectors, who are in Hell, having died.
Millions of them are there, currently awaiting the Lake of Fire.

And.There were 2 deaths, regarding "Adam"

1.) Spiritual Separation.....>"Adam died spiritually" and "in Christ all are "made alive", = born again Spiritually.

2.) Physical death.
 

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It is True. When we align ourself with Truth and morality, we become Truth and morality. We become a living example or an incarnation of God. Jesus was a living representation of Truth. He spoke for the Truth, he acted as Truth, and he upheld the Truth. He had a perfect relationship with Truth so much that when he spoke it wasn't him anymore it was the Truth speaking through him. It can be seen as a divine allegory. Jesus was completely removed from his fleshly nature or his ego. He was not speaking for himself, rather it was God speaking through him.
Jesus is almighty God and is Truth, not just a representation of truth. And no we do not become an incarnation of God. we become HIs vessels. As long as y0ou acknowledge that Jesus is the Truth you speak of- Okay! If not then there is a serious issue to be resolved.
 
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I guess this is where we disagree. We read the bible differently but that's ok.
That means that either one or both of us is wrong. there is only one interpretation or understanding of Scripture. there may be many applications, but only one interpretation.
 

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Jesus is almighty God and is Truth, not just a representation of truth. And no we do not become an incarnation of God. we become HIs vessels.

WE , the born again are more then Vessels.

Remember the Donkey that corrected the Prophet. ?????

'"""""When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff. Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"


See that Donkey?
That donkey is being used as a "vessel".
Are you no more then that, Ronald?

So, the Born again, are Joined to God......and that makes us not just "vessels", but "SONS"..

Do you understand?

If you can ever begin to understand that, then there is hope that you can understand why SONS , Joined to God, have no sin.
 

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WE , the born again are more then Vessels.

Remember the Donkey that corrected the Prophet. ?????

'"""""When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff. Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"


See that Donkey?
That donkey is being used as a "vessel".
Are you no more then that, Ronald?

So, the Born again, are Joined to God......and that makes us not just "vessels", but "SONS"..

Do you understand?

If you can ever begin to understand that, then there is hope that you can understand why SONS , Joined to God, have no sin.
Yes we are sons of God, but we are also vessels.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

We are earthen vessels that carry the Holy Spirit as well as the sons of God!
 
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Jesus is almighty God and is Truth, not just a representation of truth. And no we do not become an incarnation of God. we become HIs vessels. As long as y0ou acknowledge that Jesus is the Truth you speak of- Okay! If not then there is a serious issue to be resolved.
Saying that I am a vessel for God is the same thing as saying I'm an incarnation or a prophet. I dont see my understandings as a serious issue. I see people who think Truth is exclusive to the flesh of Jesus as a major issue. We have our differences and we read the bible differently. My understanding of Truth is unlimited and wholistic, where as yours is confined and limited to the religious institution you so call "Christianity". God is not your possession, God is for everyone who knows Truth and Truth is everywhere.
 

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The 2nd Death happens to Christ rejectors, who are in Hell, having died.
Millions of them are there, currently awaiting the Lake of Fire.

And.There were 2 deaths, regarding "Adam"

1.) Spiritual Separation.....>"Adam died spiritually" and "in Christ all are "made alive", = born again Spiritually.

2.) Physical death.
Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned:

It does not say deaths (plural) by sin.

Therefore as by one offense sentence came on all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came to all men to justification of life.

There has been only one death. Spiritual death leads to physical death. Life is experienced in the body - which sounds like a ridiculous statement about the obvious to most people (all non-Christians), yet so many Christians, (and a big part of the body of Christ) have got this wrong by introducing the false, nonsensical, and non-biblical concept of a "spiritual resurrection". This is why we need to know and understand the difference in the Greek New Testament between the use of the word záō (alive) on one hand, and anástasis, égersis; anístēmi; egeírō (resurrection) on the other.

Without exception záō in the New Testament is always only used in respect to either the life of God, or to humans who are alive in their bodies; and anástasis, égersis; anístēmi; egeírō are always only used in respect to the resurrection of the body, without exception.

Life is experienced in the body. Adam was created as a man with a body and a soul. Adam lost the indwelling of the Spirit of God which is the source of eternal life, which is experienced in the body. This is why the resurrection of the body from a dead, flesh and blood body to a spiritual body is an integral part of the gospel.

God never intended for mankind to die, and death is the last enemy to be destroyed. It does not say "deaths" (plural) are the last enemy to be destroyed.

You have either invented non-blibclical theology, or you are repeating non-biblical theology that was invented long ago by someone else's misunderstandings of scripture. There has been only one death. The 2nd death can only occur after the resurrection from the dead, and Christ cannot and will not experience it, because He is God and without sin, and because He and He alone has (eternal) life | immortality in Himself. Our life is in Him.

Turning aside from faith in the Word of God ("You will most definitely die") to believe the word that said, 'you will not "most defintely" die' is what brought the one death into human experience that has existed in human experience since then. There is no such a thing as multiple "first" deaths. It's nonsensical, and non-biblical. There is only one life (zao) and there has been only one death, and only one resurrection from death. The 2nd death will be everlasting - the lake of fire.
 
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God is for everyone who knows Truth
God gave Jesus to everyone, because no one knows truth apart from this knowledge:

1 Jesus spoke these words and lifted up His eyes to Heaven and said, Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son so that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 even as You have given Him authority over all flesh so that He should give eternal life to all You have given Him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17

No one knows truth if they do not know that Jesus is God incarnate, and IS Truth, IS the (only) way to God, IS the (only) (true and real) Light of God, and that no one comes to God except through Him, and that He bore all our sins in His own body, became a curse for those under a curse, died (actually died) on the cross, descended into hades and rose again from the dead on the 3rd day by His own power, the power of God, and that the resurrection of mankind from the dead is with His resurrection.

No one knows truth if they don't know that all humans from Adam onward except Jesus Christ have sin and are sinners, but Jesus had no sin (whatsoever).

No one knows truth unless they know that Jesus fullfilled the perfect law of God to love God with all of heart, mind and soul and to love fellow humans as oneself, when he took the penalty for human sin upon Himself.

No one knows truth unless they know that eternal death - eternal spearation from life - the life of God/Christ is what He saved us from.

No one knows truth unless they know that humans have only one life to live, and after this life comes our judgment - unto condemnation for all those who reject the one and only Truth (Jesus) which I just listed here, and there is no reincarnation.

No one knows truth unless they understand that what is reaped by anyone is what was sowed and it's a law that is as natural as planting good seed and planting bad seed, but there is no such concept as the vainly imagined extension of this natural law a.k.a "karma". Karma does not exist.

All faiths/religions except Christianity deny one or all aspects of all this.

Truth is not "everywhere" as you falsely calim. Truth can only be found in one place: a person named Jesus the Christ.

God gave Him to everyone who did not know truth, because no one knows truth:

1 Jesus spoke these words and lifted up His eyes to Heaven and said, Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son so that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 even as You have given Him authority over all flesh so that He should give eternal life to all You have given Him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17

God gave Jesus for everyone who does not know truth, that they may know truth.

What you are preaching is calling God/Jesus a liar. Not those who believe the things I just wrote - but God Himself.

28 Then they said to Him, What shall we do that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent.
30 Therefore they said to Him, What sign do you show then, so that we may see and believe you? What do you work?
31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert, as it is written, "He gave them bread from Heaven to eat."
32 Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Moses did not give you that bread from Heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from Heaven.
33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from Heaven and gives life to the world.
34 Then they said to him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes on Me shall never thirst.
36 But I said to you that you also have seen Me and do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will in no way cast out.
38 For I came down from Heaven, not to do My own will but the will of Him who sent Me.
39 And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes on Him should have everlasting life. And I will raise him up at the last day.

Those who do not believe and do not seek Truth in the only place Truth is to be found, are under condemnation.

This is God's saying. Not ours. Not the saying of the Christians who believe it, but the Word of God.
 
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Ronald Nolette

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Saying that I am a vessel for God is the same thing as saying I'm an incarnation or a prophet. I dont see my understandings as a serious issue. I see people who think Truth is exclusive to the flesh of Jesus as a major issue. We have our differences and we read the bible differently. My understanding of Truth is unlimited and wholistic, where as yours is confined and limited to the religious institution you so call "Christianity". God is not your possession, God is for everyone who knows Truth and Truth is everywhere.
So as I do not misunderstand you- You think one can be a faithful Muslim and know truth personally?