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I said SOME did not understand...like you, who reads what I say, but do NOT understand....who reads OT Scripture and DOES NOT understand more NT Knowledge.
Yes I say the Same thing -and it is the Same according to Scripture.
How many Times have you Read Gen 7: 2 that says INTO his nostrils and you can not yet Comprehend ... What INTO means...and "his nostrils " is a part of the man's Formed Body of Dust?
Translation,
Cherrypicking
What did God breathe into the man? It wasn't a soul. It was His breath or spirit. Those two together BECAME a living soul
His Breath OR Spirit
There is no such thing as spiritual death, so no need to go there.
Souls can die.
Jesus soul died.
The evidence that a soul requires a body is overwhelming.
No.
You are not qualified to translate what I say.
Cherry picking according to man's understanding, is a negative connotation intended.
Doesn't matter if I am Approved, BY YOU!
I am not ashamed by your negative attempts, because I have studied beyond the OT, and shown myself Approved According To God, and KNOW the Flesh Body and Living Soul, are TWO Different things OF the Same ONE Man.
2 Tim 2:
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Clearly, you question yourself...Saying:
You do not Know the Difference.
Avoid the shame.
Study, and show yourself Approved to God.
God is Spirit. Any man Separated from God, even if his mortal body IS Alive, that man: "IS Spiritually Dead."
Souls CAN and DO experience Spiritual Death.
But then, you just proved, you do not KNOW the Difference Between a Physical Death and Spiritual Death.
Eh....ERROR...
Jesus' Body Died.
Jesus' Soul Did NOT Die.
Jesus' Soul was Never Separated From God!
•I am confidant A Child could read;
1 Thes 5:
[23] ...your whole spirit and soul and body. [/B]
And comprehend the WHOLE "OF" ONE Man, is Three DIFFERENT Things, called:
Body
and
Soul
and
Spirit
You giving A False TRUTH keeps you From the Factual Scriptural Truth.
•A Soul does NOT require a Body.
•A Soul That IS Living, requires Gods Breath in the Soul.
• It is the BODY, that requires A Living soul, for the Body to Begin ITS Blood LIFE.
There is a Reason Scripture teaches...to Study Scripture, AS a Child, be freshly Filled with the Word of God... rather than with what Fallacies of men's interpretations you have filled yourself with.I would suggest the same to you. It's pretty clear that the Bible isn't saying what you claim. I've given you passage after passage that shows that what I've said is the case. Winning the debate is not important, correctly understanding the word of God is.
You preach AS IF your Bible Ended at the OT, and you Discovered Nothing in Addition to what OT men knew.
Glory to God,
Taken
No, but I haven't dismissed it as many do. Please, show me where the NT differs from the OT. It doesn't.
Well, you're clearly not rightly dividing the word, because the word says the man, which you agreed was the body, became a living soul.
Again, the Scriptures are clear that the body and the soul are the same. No body, no soul. I mean, I gave you Scripture that explicitly states the soul is the blood. Blood is a physical thing. It's not some immaterial thing.
There is no such thing as spiritual death.
Again, there is no such thing as spiritual death.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (Isa. 53:11-12 KJV)
How can you say you rightly divide the word when you refuse to acknowledge that Christ poured out His soul unto death? Clearly His soul died.
Again, Read Gen 2:7. It says a body is a soul.
The Body and Soul are Not the Same Thing.
The Body And Soul are the Same One Man!
And if Continue Learning the Truth...
You should discover ;
The body, The soul, The spirit Are the Same ONE MAN...
Went over this already, and Specifically told you:
Regardless of Where the Body, soul, spirit OF a man is...Each is identified By The One man's NAME.
Ya there is:
Death is Separation.
Physical Death is the Body separated From Life.
Spiritual Death is Separation From God.
Not a mystery. It was First revealed IN the Garden of Eden.
Adam was with God, in Gods Garden.
Adam warned not to eat OF the T of G&E...or what? In the Day Adam should eat OF that tree he would die.
And? Adam ate. And his body did not die....
Whoopie. God Lied Eh? No. Adam became separated from God! Booted out of Gods Garden. Spiritually Dead.
Body's, souls, spirits OF MEN Not With God, ARE Spiritually Dead, without God!
What do you think Reconcillation is About and For? It getting one man's WHOLE "body,soul,spirit" BACK WITH God! Spiritually ALIVE.
Every Living soul is poured out- leaves/ departs the dead body!
That is not the highlight of that passage.
Men already Knew the Living Soul Departs out of a Dead Body.
It is Gods Life (Breath) in a soul.
No, Gods Life does not remain in Dead rotting corpse'!
Because I already know a single Born man, has a body, Living soul, spirit- where each comes from, when, why, and where each thing Goes at BODILY Death, and why.
Nope!
(The Form, The Man)
(The Form and Living soul), IS the Man.
Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The body became a living soul.
That body, made of dust, became a living soul.
That body became a living soul.
Sorry, but you can't make it up as you go.
Death is the cessation of life.
It's not separation from God.
Instead, you gave an explanation of "Your" interpretation of what happened to Adam as an example of what you call spiritual death.
Gen 2:
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:
[12] And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden ...
Adam With God in Gods Garden.
Adam Without God outside of Gods Garden.
However, your understanding of that is incorrect.
Adam did die in the day he ate from the tree.
Gen 5
[5] And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
BY your interpretation...
Adam lived 930 years in the Garden of Eden.
No he did not.
I'll stick with Scripture.
David said,
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.1 (Ps. 90:4 KJV)
Peter alluded to this passage ...
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Pet. 3:8 KJV)
Adam lived 930 years, just short of one prophetic day. This is both the ancient Jewish and early Christian understanding of the passage.
Jewish: Book of Jubilees...
You think a man has a living soul as opposed to being a living soul.
Nope.
Not "HAS" OR "IS"...
"HAS" AND "IS".
•Well aware- God is Infinate.
God is NOT constrained BY "Time".
•Well aware- Man IS Constrained BY "Time".
•Well aware- God established Time Constraints...For Mankind!
Days, Months, Years, Hours, Seasons, -
God breathed into that man and that man became a living soul.
The body became a living soul.
That body, made of dust, became a living soul.
That body became a living soul
Make up your mind- ^^
The fact is The man, had a Body. A man still has a Body...with or without a Living Soul.
A man has a Living soul...with or without a body.
Body's Blood LIFE Dies.
Gods Life (His Breath Never Dies)
Gods Life blown INTO a Body...
Comes Back Out (departs) of A Dead Body.
A man's "Dead" Body of Dust RETURNS To Dust.
A man's Living Soul, GOES TO where God Sends it.
A Departed Living Soul- Sent to Hell- Is Spiritually Dead....DUH...."Separated FROM God! "WITHOUT" God.
A Departed Living Soul- Carried by Gods Holy Angels To Heaven...DUH...Are "WITH" God.
Seriously? You do not Know the purpose for the Umpteen Scriptures About SAVING ones Soul?
Do you think that means, a man's "Body" will not Suffer Dying?
The Body OF one man...Is not the same thing as the Soul OF one man.
Do you think the following Scripture is IN Error?
1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Should that instead read...
your whole spirit and soul ANDbodysoul ?
should Your beYour...struck out, because you argue you ONLY ARE a Soul...
And DO NOT HAVE a soul?
But fail to comprehend YOU also...
"Have" a spirit, Have a Soul, Have a body...?
All Body's Are sentenced TO Death.
A man's Body Born ALIVE -
Is Bodily ALIVE and Spiritually Dead!
(Less you think yourself some kind of Miracle Born baby...naturally born...Believing IN God)!!!
• Do you NOT KNOW- it is WHILE a man IS Dead (Spiritually Separated from God)...that a MAN Becomes Spiritually Alive? Saved and Born Again?
•You think that is talking About A Physically Dead BODY?--->
Col 2
[13] And you, being dead in you sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
How do you NOT Comprehend...
Souls are Blown INTO a Body.
Body's Die.
Souls Depart The Body.
A Soul Returned to the Body,
The Body returns to Living.
???
1 Kings 17:
[17] And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.
[18] And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son?
[19] And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
[20] And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?
[21] And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
[22] And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
[23] And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth.
The NT reveals MORE KNOWLEDGE About THE WHOLE, body, soul, spirit "OF" A MAN...
If that is of no interest to YOU...<---THAT
and your personal accusations against me...
Affect me, my Assured Salvation, OF my body, AND OF my soul, AND OF my spirit...
NOT ONE IOTA!
Assured IN Christ the Lord God,
Taken
Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER and ever.It's pretty clear that you don't hold the Scriptures as the ultimate authority. Thus there is really no basis for debate. The Scriptures plainly state that the man "became a living soul". The man is the body of dust. You deny that. The Scriptures state plainly that Jesus poured out His soul unto death. You claim souls cannot die. Again, you deny Scripture. At this point there really is no basis for discussion. If the Scripture aren't the final word then anyone can say whatever they want.
It's pretty clear that you don't hold the Scriptures as the ultimate authority.
Thus there is really no basis for debate.
The Scriptures plainly state that the man "became a living soul".
The man is the body of dust. You deny that.
The Scriptures state plainly that Jesus poured out His soul unto death.
You claim souls cannot die.
Again, you deny Scripture.
At this point there really is no basis for discussion.
If the Scripture aren't the final word then anyone can say whatever they want.
I've already shown you that aion doesnt mean forever. But, if you don't believe Jesus that's your prerogative.Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER and ever.
You just make it up as you go. The Bible said man is a living soul. That means the body is a living soul. It's not something like a ghost that live apart from the body.Just the Opposite.
True.
One debating with Carnal undersatanding and One debating with Spiritual Understanding will not end in Agreement.
True.
And continued teaching teaches...
A man HAS A - Name.
A man HAS A - body.
A man HAS A - soul.
A man HAS A - spirit.
All bodies of men, separated from God, are dead, though they are living.
All Living souls of men, separated from God, are dead,
though they are living.
All natural spirits of men, separated from God, are dead, though they are living.
All bodies of men, IN Christ, physically alive or physically dead, ARE ALIVE IN Christ, and WITH, the Lord God.
All SAVED Living souls of men, IN Christ, in body OR out of body, ARE Not Separated From the Lord.
All SAVED Living souls of men, Faithful to God, (before Christ), Out of Body, ARE Not Separated From God. (After Christ), Are With God.
All QUICKENED spirits of man, in body, IN Christ, in Body or out of Body, are With God.
Yes the MAN'S BODY, Came from Dust...
(No, I have NEVER denied that!)
And RETURNS TO DUST.
(No, I have NEVER denied THAT!)
BINGO!
Jesus- A man
Jesus- Has A BODY
Jesus- Has A Living Soul
* Jesus'- BODY Died- before witnesses, ON a Cross. Jesus' DEAD BODY, was removed From the Cross, Jesus' DEAD BODY, was BURIED IN a Cave.
* Jesus' "BLOOD was poured OUT" spilled ON the Ground. (Departed His DEAD BODY),
* Jesus' "Living Soul was DEPARTED OUT" of His Body and WENT "TO PARADISE", and Preached TO the Living souls IN PARADISE!
** There ARE NO Body's OF men IN PARADISE!
** PARADISE - IS Where SAVED Living Souls, (Departed OUT of Physically Dead Bodies)...
GO. (And THE Dead Body Is Buried!)
* When a man's BODY Dies- the Body's Life-
(Which IS BLOOD)
IS Poured OUT of the BODY.
• The Living Soul of a man's dead Body-
Is Departed OUT of His Body.
• A Saved Living Soul GOES TO the Comforts of PARADISE..,
With God!
• An UN-Saved Living Soul GOES To the Torments of HELL...
Without God!
YOUR UNDERSTANDING- is resting ON Carnal Understanding...(when it is Spiritual UNDERSTANDING, that parallels Gods Understanding, Who Himself IS Spirit)
Death- Carnally IS- Physical.
Death- Spiritually IS- "Separation FROM God" (whether or not, a Thing; body, soul, spirit...
IS Physically ALIVE or Physically Dead.)
Your Claim "Half Truth Accusatory Claim IS FALSE."
Living Souls "Separated From God, ARE Spiritually Dead"
Living Souls "IN Body or OUT of Body", with God, OR Without God...ARE still Living Souls.
No, ^ THAT IS FALSE.
TO BE Clear:
What I DENY and REJECT...is YOUR Carnal Understanding of Scripture.
True.
A discussion OF Spiritual Things, between One with Carnal Understanding and One with
Spiritual Understanding...will end IN a Disagreement...
"Less" the One with Carnal Understanding...
Should GO and Read and SEEK Spiritual Understanding OF THE TOPIC FOR Himself.
You hang ON TO...man was BECAME a Living Soul. (YOU MAKE Man's "BODY" A Living Soul)
God CREATED a BODY.
God Didn't Change The BODY.
THE Body OF Man, IS Still The BODY "OF" man.
God Changed "the Condition OF the BODY"...
From NOT ALIVE, TO LIVING.
The "Man" IS Therefore:
...A BODY OF DUST.
AND
...A LIVING SOUL.
You are trying TO Argue...
Man IS:
...A BODY of DUST
OR
...A LIVING SOUL
The fact: A Naturally ALIVE Born man;
IS BOTH, A BODY AND LIVING SOUL, NOT ONE OR the Other.
The fact is: A Naturally ALIVE Born "MAN"
HAS
...A BODY
...A LIVING SOUL
...A SPIRIT
"Your" IS Possessive, OF WHAT A man "HAS", "NOT" IN Regard TO WHAT A MAN "IS"!
"Your"; house, car, family, children, money, disease, rest, knowledge, understanding...
as Well as "YOUR" BODY, "YOUR" SOUL, "YOUR" SPIRIT, "ARE" specific things "YOU, A man" HAS !
Scripture TEACHES...specifically, and I quoted Scripture FOR YOU, TO read and SEE...
Yet you failed to comprehend ...
And continued to ONLY understand...
Early OT kNOWLEDGE...
And NOT NT revealed KNOWLEDGE...
1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Gal 6:
[18] Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
James:
[21] Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Matt 6:
[25] Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT....ARE NOT THE SAME ... THINGS.
BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT...ARE THE SAME THINGS...EVERY Natually Born Alive MAN..."HAS".
Yes. And to Comprened the "Finality"...THE WHOLE TRUTH, requires one to ADVANCE, from what was KEPT SECRET From Early (BABE) Man...TO What Was Revealed TO LATER (MATURE) Man!
Matt 13:
[35] ...I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
When that which WAS Secret...IS Revealed...
It is No Longer Secret! It is A TRUTH.
A MAN...
has a body of dust From dust,
has a Living soul of Gods breath, from God.
has a natural spirit of truth, from man's truth.
God OFFERS...3 WAYS TO "MAKE" the 3 THINGS (body, soul, spirit) "OF" A MAN...
ALIVE "WITH" the Lord God Almighty...
"FOREVER".
Gods OFFERING-
Kill the Body- Raise the Body Uncorrupted
Restore the Soul- from corrupt, To Very Good.
Quicken the spirit- Rebirth the spirit, with Gods Seed.
Feed the Quickened spirit- Gods Truth.
It is A MANS Choice-
TO Accept Gods Offering... OR NOT.
It is man's Responsibility- To Learn WHAT God OFFERS...and FOR WHAT...and WHAT the man IS ACCEPTING or REJECTING.
If you do NOT KNOW the OFFERING is Specifically Regarding...
A man's body,
A man's soul,
A man's spirit...
How do you KNOW what specifically YOU (the man, IS ACCEPTING or Rejecting Regarding EACH Thing "of " a Man?)
BY your limited understanding...
You have changed the Body "of a Man" INTO the Soul "of a Man."
• You are TRYING to MAKE, the man's Living Soul Physically Dead, When and Because the Man's BODY is Physically Dead...
^ That IS False!
There ARE Multitudes...Living Souls "of men" still Living...Departed OUT OF the "SAME" Physically DEAD Body's "OF" those same men.
Glory IN Gods Truth and Spiritual Understanding, rather than in man's truth and understanding!!"
Taken
Then why does the NT say it over and over, everlasting, eternal, forever? I just hope you're not accountable on Judgment Day for people burning in Hell.I've already shown you that aion doesnt mean forever. But, if you don't believe Jesus that's your prerogative.
You just make it up as you go.
... the body is a living soul.
It's not something like a ghost that live apart from the body.
... There is nothing OF man that lives on after death.
My argument is that man ...doesn't have a living soul and a body. The body is the living soul.
What this shows is that you don't understand the passages you quoted. I've already shown that the word soul is used two ways in Scripture. Concretely it means a living being. Abstractly it means life.Hypocrisy!
Gen 2:
[7] ... man became a living soul.
1 Thes 5:
[23] ...soul AND body...
Gen 35:
[18] ... as her soul was in departing, (for she died) ...
1 Kings 17:
[22] .. the soul OF the child came INTO him again...
Luke 16:
[22] ...the rich man. ...died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell ...
[24] said, ...
1 Thes 5:
[23] ...soul AND body...
Again Scripture is correct, and you are not.
Glory to God,
Taken
It's called translator bias. If you researched it you'd see that. Long before anyone becomes a translator they become a Christian. They're "told" what the Bible teaches. So, their beliefs are formed long before they ever translate. It's obvious that they arent going to translate something they believe is wrong. So they translate it to fit with what the believe to be true. But, what if they're wrong? What if some of their beliefs are wrong? They think they're translating it correctly but they're not. I've already shown ample evidence that aion doesn't mean forever. Jesus said it would end. The apostles spoke of the end of the aion. Jesus spoke of this aion and the one to come. If aion means eternity, how can there be this one and the one to come? You can't have this eternity and one to come. Aion is the Greek translation olam. In the OT parts of the Mosaic Law were said to be olam or aion. Yet those things ended. The priesthood of Aaron was said to be olam or aion. In Hebrews Paul said that the Priesthood was changed. So, either olam and aion are wrongly translated or Jesus and the apostles were wrong. I think it's pretty clear that Jesus and the apostles weren't wrong. They were there.Then why does the NT say it over and over, everlasting, eternal, forever? I just hope you're not accountable on Judgment Day for people burning in Hell.
Matthew 25:41-46 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
So it's your opinion VS the Bible.It's called translator bias. If you researched it you'd see that. Long before anyone becomes a translator they become a Christian. They're "told" what the Bible teaches. So, their beliefs are formed long before they ever translate. It's obvious that they arent going to translate something they believe is wrong. So they translate it to fit with what the believe to be true. But, what if they're wrong? What if some of their beliefs are wrong? They think they're translating it correctly but they're not. I've already shown ample evidence that aion doesn't mean forever. Jesus said it would end. The apostles spoke of the end of the aion. Jesus spoke of this aion and the one to come. If aion means eternity, how can there be this one and the one to come? You can't have this eternity and one to come. Aion is the Greek translation olam. In the OT parts of the Mosaic Law were said to be olam or aion. Yet those things ended. The priesthood of Aaron was said to be olam or aion. In Hebrews Paul said that the Priesthood was changed. So, either olam and aion are wrongly translated or Jesus and the apostles were wrong. I think it's pretty clear that Jesus and the apostles weren't wrong. They were there.
It's not a parable. Luke 16 uses LITERAL Biblical people.Luke 16 doesn't mention soul. And, it's a parable.
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Luke 16 doesn't mention soul.
And, it's a parable.
It doesnt say that God put a living soul in man,