Hell : is as real as GOD

[Behold]

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Reader,

If a person does not "repent from unbelief" and trust in Christ before they DIE...., so that God can forgive them and give them the new Birth in Christ, so that they become a "Son-Daughter" of God, then they die not havng been born again as a Son-Daugher of God.

= They died Separated from God, as are all unforgiven sinners.

This means that they died under God's Wrath....John 3:36.......and His wrath will never leave the Christ Rejector, who was never born again on earth.

A.) Hell is their initial eternal destination, and it just gets worse, and it will never end for them..... as the Christ Rejector's "eternal life" is DAMNATION.

Reader, No Christian will ever be found in Hell......and no Unbeliever, never born again, will be found in Heaven.

See, UNBELIEVERS who died...never born again..... were under God's Judgment on earth, already..... John 3:36...and had all their life to Receive Christ and be forgiven.. and be SAVED from God's eternal Judgment........and instead they died "in their sins".. Jesus says..........and that means they died having committed the "unpardonable sin"....which is to die never being forgiven Through Jesus's Blood and Death Sacrifice for them....... So now, still unforgiven, they meet GOD after they died as their eternal Judge, not as their heavenly Father.

God's Judgment against the SIN of dying unforgiven...as a CHRIST Rejector...never born again....is an ETERNAL Judgement.

The NT refers to it as DAMNATiON, as "the 2nd Death", and Hell is only a part of this Eternal Judgement.

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Now..Reader,

because of the Title of My Thread....... a lot of people are going to read it over time.

And some of you who found this Thread... are not a Christian.. And there was a time when i wasn't a Christian....long ago, but i always knew that God is Real and Jesus is Real and Hell is Real.
I never tried to fool myself and pretend that i didnt know all this....... I knew it......and so do you.

And i know that somone who is reading my words right now....has read my Thread and you felt something deep inside. And are feeling it right now, and maybe you have felt this before, .. some other time.
Right?
You KNOW that God is Real.. You KNOW that Jesus has died for all your sins..and you know that HELL is not a myth.......its waiting just like Heaven is waiting, right beyond death's door.

So, im asking you right now.......to open your heart to Jesus......Because i know you are in that place where you know you need to trust in Jesus and be forgiven.
And Reader, God is always wanting you to come to Him and be forgiven because God loves you so much that He sent His Precious Son to The Cross just for you, and just for me.
Open your heart Reader...... Trust in Christ right now....the best way you know how. ...... The best way you know how.
Saying something as simple as "Jesus, forgive me, i trust in you with all my heart'"......Is all God is wanting to hear from you, and He'll do the rest for you.
He'll forgive you, save you, and give you eternal life with HIM and His family of believers.

"All who call on the name of JESUS, shall be forgiven.. shall be saved"........forever.

Reader, You know its time and God is calling you to come and be forgiven.
"Today is the day of Salvation"..
And This will settle your eternity. You can know you are going to heaven... because from the very moment that you open your heart to Christ, God will bring you into God's eternal Family. That is God's promise......He will do it..... because God loves you and always has, and always will.

 

[ArkangeMikail]

I think it's very closed minded to think that "only Christians will go to heaven" and "only unbelievers will go to hell"

Are you a muslim? because this is exactly islamic teaching of god Allah who tortures the Christians, worst creatures of Creation

"Indeed, those who disbelieved among the People of the Book and the Polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, abiding therein. They are the worst of creatures" Quran, 98:6

If I had so much hate in my heart that I wanted people who disagreed with me to suffer for eternity, I would have stayed a muslim, I would have not converted to Christ

 

[Behold]

Are you a muslim?.......I think it's very closed minded to think that "only Christians will go to heaven" and "only unbelievers will go to hell"

Im a Born again...Bible Believing Christian.
If you know what this is, then you'd know that this is not related to Demonic = Islam or to The false Hadith, or to a phoney 600 "wing'd " angel.

Also, if you have truly "converted to Christ" then this is an act of God converting you, and not something you decided to become, as if you could become a Christian on Tuesday, and an Astronaut on Wed, and a race car driver on Sunday, and a French Pub Jazz Musicianian 3 yrs from now.

Sinners do not "convert" to Christianity........they are given a new birth by the Holy Spirit and become "in Christ", a CHRISTian.

Christianity is not one of many world wide religions that you try on like a well taylored SUIT to see if it fits you.

Do you understand? @ArkangeMikail ?

Now...., if you choose to believe only in God's love and benevolence, then your understanding of God is very limited and primitive, as God is also HOLY and Righteous, and thats not all.

Listen..
= Jesus said that He is the "Only Way to the Father" and that "no person comes to the Father but by JESUS (Himself)..""""
This is John 14:6., that is explaining Jesus's Sacrificial DEATH on The Cross as the ONLY WAY to God.
So, @ArkangeMikail ... are you familiar with why Jesus died on The Cross for you ??

A.) It not just to save you FOR Heaven.....its also to SAVE You FROM HELL.

Its to save you From this....JOHN 3:36. (KJV).

The NT confirmes that Believers have trusted in this = John 14:6 Truth, and unbeliievers have not.
The NT confirms that the reason this Truth is True, is because .."""God has raised Jesus from the dead""".. to prove that what Jesus said is TRUE and that what Jesus completed on The Cross, before He was raised from the dead, is Eternal.

Christians are created by God based on them initially giving God their FAITH, = that Jesus is the only Way to God... the only way to Heaven and the Only SAVIOR, and that He died on The Cross for their Sin, and rose from the DEAD.

Unbelievers refuse this Truth, and God refuses them based on their lack of Faith in Christ.

Final anlysis......

There are no Christians found in HELL
There are no Unbelievers, never born again, found in Heaven.

 

[ArkangeMikail]

Im a Born again...Bible Believing Christian.
If you know what this is, then you'd know that this is not related to Demonic = Islam or to The false Hadith, or to a phoney 600 "wing'd " angel.

Also, if you have truly "converted to Christ" then this is an act of God converting you, and not something you decided to become, as if you could become a Christian on Tuesday, and an Astronaut on Wed, and a race car driver on Sunday, and a French Pub Jazz Musicianian 3 yrs from now.

Sinners do not "convert" to Christianity........they are given a new birth by the Holy Spirit and become "in Christ", a CHRISTian.

Christianity is not one of many world wide religions that you try on like a well taylored SUIT to see if it fits you.

Do you understand? @ArkangeMikail ?

Now...., if you choose to believe only in God's love and benevolence, then your understanding of God is very limited and primitive, as God is also HOLY and Righteous, and thats not all.

Listen..
= Jesus said that He is the "Only Way to the Father" and that "no person comes to the Father but by JESUS (Himself)..""""
This is John 14:6., that is explaining Jesus's Sacrificial DEATH on The Cross as the ONLY WAY to God.
So, @ArkangeMikail ... are you familiar with why Jesus died on The Cross for you ??

A.) It not just to save you FOR Heaven.....its also to SAVE You FROM HELL.

Its to save you From this....JOHN 3:36. (KJV).

The NT confirmes that Believers have trusted in this = John 14:6 Truth, and unbeliievers have not.
The NT confirms that the reason this Truth is True, is because .."""God has raised Jesus from the dead""".. to prove that what Jesus said is TRUE and that what Jesus completed on The Cross, before He was raised from the dead, is Eternal.

Christians are created by God based on them initially giving God their FAITH, = that Jesus is the only Way to God... the only way to Heaven and the Only SAVIOR, and that He died on The Cross for their Sin, and rose from the DEAD.

Unbelievers refuse this Truth, and God refuses them based on their lack of Faith in Christ.

Final anlysis......

There are no Christians found in HELL
There are no Unbelievers, never born again, found in Heaven.

Indeed God is righteous, so it would not be fair to condemn unbelievers for their lack of faith, because this lack of faith comes from ignorance, and it is not fair to condemn people because of their ignorance.

Have Jesus Christ not said while he was suffering on the cross : "Forgive them, Father, for they do not know what they do"?

I believe that yes God converts us, but we have free will and we can accept or reject God's grace. So me becoming christian is at least partially my own choice.

I understand that becoming Christian is very serious and life-changing.

Jesus-Christ is the only way to God, I agree, however Jesus who is all powerful can save anyone including unbelievers. A non Christian who dies in his unbelief could be saved by Jesus Christ, even if the non christian didn't know about Him.

 

[bdavidc]

I think it's very closed minded to think that "only Christians will go to heaven" and "only unbelievers will go to hell"

Are you a muslim? because this is exactly islamic teaching of god Allah who tortures the Christians, worst creatures of Creation

"Indeed, those who disbelieved among the People of the Book and the Polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, abiding therein. They are the worst of creatures" Quran, 98:6

If I had so much hate in my heart that I wanted people who disagreed with me to suffer for eternity, I would have stayed a muslim, I would have not converted to Christ

You are correct to denounce hateful hearts, but don’t mistake compassion for muddling what Christ so plainly taught. The Bible is clear. Jesus is the only way to the Father. “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’” ~John 14:6. Peter likewise: “There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” ~Acts 4:12.

All of us are sinners in need of a Savior: “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” ~Romans 3:23. The good news is simple, God’s gift is life in Christ: “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” ~Romans 6:23. If someone truly comes to Christ, we should welcome them to grow in the Word, not exchange one system of works for another. The gospel calls people out of darkness into light, that is not hate, it is rescue. ~Mark 1:15

 

[Behold]

Indeed God is righteous,

Indeed.

so it would not be fair to condemn unbelievers for their lack of faith,

Romans 1:20 says that unbelievers have no excuse for their unbelief, as even the cosmos and nature itself prove and proclaim the existance of God.

"""""For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:""""""

What we know, is that if a person dies as an unbeliever, they have "died in their Sins',.. Jesus said,.... and that means they died unforgiven.
So they are not born again, and they will not go to Heaven.
There is only one other option and that is where unbelievers initially go once they leave their body and enter enternity.

A.) Hell.

Also, The Cross of Christ, is always drawing the world of sinners to Salvation.
Jesus said...."If i be lifted up (on The Cross) I will draw ALL people to me'..........and this has been happening for 2000 yrs, including today.

because this lack of faith comes from ignorance, and it is not fair to condemn people because of their ignorance.

John 3:36, says that God's wrath is on the unbelievers, and to get this off, they much come to Jesus by faith and be forgiven and given the "new birth" "In Christ.

Have Jesus Christ not said while he was suffering on the cross : "Forgive them, Father, for they do not know what they do"

So, you are a Universalist who believes that everyone goes to heaven. ???

Its this your belief?

However Paul said....>"All who believe in Jesus shall be saved".

Jesus said that if you believe in Him, then He will "give you eternal life".

So, as "Abraham Believed God, and it was counted unto Him as Righteousness......so it shall be counted unto us also if we BELIEVE".

God's Will is that "you believe on Jesus, whom God Sent"..

And if you dont and die, then you are Judged in your unbelief, and Hell is always taking those in, every day.

I believe that yes God converts us, but we have free will and we can accept or reject God's grace. So me becoming christian is at least partially my own choice.

Yes, the Faith in Christ that you give God, is your free will......and then God accepts your Faith to give you "The Gift of Salvation" that is your conversion.
This is where a BELIEVER is born again Spiritually.......as a "New Creation, In Christ'......as 'One with God".

I understand that becoming Christian is very serious and life-changing.

Salvataion Completely life changing.
For one thing..., you have received "Eternal Life"., as a Gift.
= And Becoming a Christian..... restores you into eternal spiritual union with God, and Heaven now becomes your eternal destination.

Jesus-Christ is the only way to God, I agree, however Jesus who is all powerful can save anyone including unbelievers.

God wants everyone to come to faith in Christ... But God does not force anyone to become a Christian.

God's Salvation is an offer.

The Cross of Christ, is an offer to the world.....as John 3:16,17, and 2 Corin 5:19

A non Christian who dies in his unbelief could be saved by Jesus Christ,

If you die in "unbelief" you have "died in your sins"....so, there is no remedy for that, after you die.
Why not?
Its because you can't be saved in Hell.
You can't become a Christian in Hell.

 

[bro.tan]

It's interesting that some people believe that Jesus died for our sins and that they only have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. Paul says in (Roman 10:13) But what about all the other things Jesus and the apostles preach about concerning salvation. Some people don't believe that they need to get baptize in the name of Jesus, even though Jesus says, "And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16).

But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30).

Rejecting God's counsel will get you eternal life in the burning flames (lake of fire) with the scribes and Pharisees. "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).

How can you burn forever and not be consumed?

Pay close attention to what the God of Israel (Jesus) is saying here in Matthew. You will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven if you teach men that the law is no more. If you are the least in the kingdom you will be in the Lake of Fire. It's very clear that law is still in effect, last time I checked the heavens and the earth still exist.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In Ezekiel Jesus informs you how a man will die. If he breaks the law and does not repent (baptized in the name of Jesus and be circumcised) he will die.

Ezekiel 18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. The soul that sinneth it shall die. What is the biblical definition of sin? I John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now Paul says in Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He is talking about the second death. What is the second death?

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. The second death is being cast into the Lake of Fire. If you are not in the book of life you will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Now that we have established how to get into the Lake of Fire.

 

[Behold]

It's interesting that some people believe that Jesus died for our sins and that they only have to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. Paul says in (Roman 10:13) But what about all the other things

Salvation is a Gift from God. Its "the GIFT of Salvation".

Who is that?

That is Jesus on THE Cross. He is our GIFT of Salvation.... He is the only Savior... He is the only 'Way" to Heaven, John 14:6
JESUS is the only One who offered Himself by shed Blood and Death sacrifice to God, on our behalf.
God accepts nothing else to accept a sinner, because God offers nothing else to save a sinner.

This is why Jesus said...."No person (sinner) comes to the Father but by ME".

And how do you do that?

"All who call on the Name of Jesus (believing) shall be saved).""

""""to the one who does not work.... but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their FAITH is credited as righteousness."""

Amplified Bible
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).

English Standard Version
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his Faith is counted as righteousness,

Berean Standard Bible
However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his Faith is credited as righteousness.

Berean Literal Bible
However, to the one not working, but believing on the One justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness,

King James Bible
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

New King James Version
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his Faith is accounted for righteousness,

New American Standard Bible
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

NASB 1995
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Amplified Bible
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).

 

[bdavidc]

Now we see what sin is. So what death is the LORD talking about here?

The problem with your view is that you’re mixing the Law and the Gospel. Jesus didn’t come to add to salvation by faith, He came to fulfill it ~Matthew 5:17. When He said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30, He meant exactly that. The entire sacrificial system, circumcision, and ceremonial law found their completion in Him.

Paul is quite clear: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. The Law reveals sin to us but it cannot save anyone. Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast ~Ephesians 2:8-9. Baptism is an act of obedience, a command that we should keep, but it is not the means of salvation, it’s the evidence of it. The thief on the cross was never baptized, but Jesus said, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” ~Luke 23:43.

If we were able to keep the Law perfectly we would not need a Savior. But none of us can do that, and all have sinned ~Romans 3:23. Christ has fulfilled the Law’s demands for us by His righteousness and paid its penalty with His blood. Those who trust in Him are justified and sealed by the Holy Spirit ~Ephesians 1:13.

You are right that sin will still result in death, but the second death only for those whose names are not in the Lamb’s Book of Life. The only way a name is written there is through faith in Jesus Christ, not through law-keeping or ritual. The Law is meant to drive us to Christ, but Christ alone saves ~Galatians 3:24-26.

 

[bro.tan]

The problem with your view is that you’re mixing the Law and the Gospel. Jesus didn’t come to add to salvation by faith, He came to fulfill it ~Matthew 5:17. When He said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30, He meant exactly that. The entire sacrificial system, circumcision, and ceremonial law found their completion in Him.

Paul is quite clear: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. The Law reveals sin to us but it cannot save anyone. Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works, lest any man should boast ~Ephesians 2:8-9. Baptism is an act of obedience, a command that we should keep, but it is not the means of salvation, it’s the evidence of it. The thief on the cross was never baptized, but Jesus said, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” ~Luke 23:43.

If we were able to keep the Law perfectly we would not need a Savior. But none of us can do that, and all have sinned ~Romans 3:23. Christ has fulfilled the Law’s demands for us by His righteousness and paid its penalty with His blood. Those who trust in Him are justified and sealed by the Holy Spirit ~Ephesians 1:13.

You are right that sin will still result in death, but the second death only for those whose names are not in the Lamb’s Book of Life. The only way a name is written there is through faith in Jesus Christ, not through law-keeping or ritual. The Law is meant to drive us to Christ, but Christ alone saves ~Galatians 3:24-26.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.(Gal 3:24)

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[bro.tan]

Salvation is a Gift from God. Its "the GIFT of Salvation".

Who is that?

That is Jesus on THE Cross. He is our GIFT of Salvation.... He is the only Savior... He is the only 'Way" to Heaven, John 14:6
JESUS is the only One who offered Himself by shed Blood and Death sacrifice to God, on our behalf.
God accepts nothing else to accept a sinner, because God offers nothing else to save a sinner.

This is why Jesus said...."No person (sinner) comes to the Father but by ME".

And how do you do that?

"All who call on the Name of Jesus (believing) shall be saved).""

""""to the one who does not work.... but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their FAITH is credited as righteousness."""

Amplified Bible
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).

English Standard Version
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his Faith is counted as righteousness,

Berean Standard Bible
However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his Faith is credited as righteousness.

Berean Literal Bible
However, to the one not working, but believing on the One justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness,

King James Bible
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

New King James Version
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his Faith is accounted for righteousness,

New American Standard Bible
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

NASB 1995
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Amplified Bible
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).

If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must repent, give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord.

Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15-16). Listen people! Baptism is a commandment or requirement for salvation.

 

[Behold]

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins,

"repent and be water baptized for the remission of sins".....is not Paul's Gospel.
Its John the Baptist's gospel to the jews, and its all Peter knew in Acts 2.
Acts is 28 chapters long, as probably 30 yrs of "Apostles" History.. (Acts of the Apostles)... and by the middle of ACTS. Peter is no longer preaching "repent and get wet", and that is because after He met Paul... he preached, the "blood of Jesus".....same as Paul.

Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles to "repent and be water baptized".
Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles to "repent and be water baptized".
Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles to "repent and be water baptized".
Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles.... to "repent and be water baptized".

"well Behold, my church says that water, water , water, water, water. Acts 2:38""... """... "And Paul was water baptized".

A.) You're in the wrong church.

You're in a "water cult".., and its probably the MaryCult, but that is not the only "water cult", its just the worst one.

Paul said.....>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".....so this shows us that if water baptism was the "gospel" then Paul would have preached water baptism, and repent.
He NEVER DID....not ONCE in 13 Epistles.

Paul Gospel requires this... "All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"., as this is FAITH in Christ.

God is not looking for Water baptism, He is looking for FAITH.......as "without faith its impossible to please God".

Paul's Gospel has no water in it......as Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the GRACE OF GOD">

"The Preaching of THe CROSS"..

"We Preach Christ Crucified".... not "repent and be water baptized"..

"Justification by Faith"

"Imputed righteousness".

 

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If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth

If you own a bible, then read Paul's 13 Epistles.
In them you'll discover that Paul's Gospel is THE Gospel......and all others are Galatians 1:8.

And if you read Paul's 13 epistles, you'll find that Paul never tells anyone to "repent and be water baptized" as that is not Paul's Gospel.

 

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If you own a bible, then read Paul's 13 Epistles.
In them you'll discover that Paul's Gospel is THE Gospel......and all others are Galatians 1:8.

And if you read Paul's 13 epistles, you'll find that Paul never tells anyone to "repent and be water baptized" as that is not Paul's Gospel.

Well.....I'm going to have to let's God deal with anyone who tamper with the KJV. The book says in Revelation 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollo was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.” And he said unto them, "unto what then were ye baptized?" And they said unto John's baptism.

Then Paul said, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve." (Acts 19:1-7).

Looks like Paul did a little baptizing here, let's see who else....


Lets take a look in Act 8:35-39 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Another example...

"But when they believed Phillip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." hen Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:13-17)

Let's go in Act 10: 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

If we truly love God, then we will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must repent, give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation. You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord.

Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

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"repent and be water baptized for the remission of sins".....is not Paul's Gospel.
Its John the Baptist's gospel to the jews, and its all Peter knew in Acts 2.
Acts is 28 chapters long, as probably 30 yrs of "Apostles" History.. (Acts of the Apostles)... and by the middle of ACTS. Peter is no longer preaching "repent and get wet", and that is because after He met Paul... he preached, the "blood of Jesus".....same as Paul.

Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles to "repent and be water baptized".
Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles to "repent and be water baptized".
Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles to "repent and be water baptized".
Paul never told anyone in 13 epistles.... to "repent and be water baptized".

"well Behold, my church says that water, water , water, water, water. Acts 2:38""... """... "And Paul was water baptized".

A.) You're in the wrong church.

You're in a "water cult".., and its probably the MaryCult, but that is not the only "water cult", its just the worst one.

Paul said.....>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".....so this shows us that if water baptism was the "gospel" then Paul would have preached water baptism, and repent.
He NEVER DID....not ONCE in 13 Epistles.

Paul Gospel requires this... "All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved"., as this is FAITH in Christ.

God is not looking for Water baptism, He is looking for FAITH.......as "without faith its impossible to please God".

Paul's Gospel has no water in it......as Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the GRACE OF GOD">

"The Preaching of THe CROSS"..

"We Preach Christ Crucified".... not "repent and be water baptized"..

"Justification by Faith"

"Imputed righteousness".

I responded on the other post

 

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Then Paul said, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance,

We see here that Paul is explaining that John's Gospel is a baptism of Repentence.
He understands that all they know is "john's water baptism of repentence'.

= "REPENT and be water Baptized"
So, Paul then tells them that its the BELIEVING....that seals their Salvation...... """that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, Jesus Christ.”""" is what Paul tells them as this is Paul's Gospel.

A.) All who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"........so, its the BELIEVING that God accepts, and not the water.


Paul's Gospel never tells anyone to "repent and be water baptized."

 

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See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.

So, we see here in Acts 8.... that the BELIEVING came first, as this is when God saves the BELIEVER,.. ."as our FAITH is counted by God, as Righteousness".. and not water baptism.
So, once Philip is assured of the Eunuch's Faith in Christ......that he has""" Believed with all his heart"" unto Salvation.. then Philip allows the Eunuch to get into the water.

"But when they BELIEVED Phillip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized,

So, once again, you posted a verse that Says the Believing in Christ comes first, and then now being saved.... they are allowed to be water baptized.

Try reading more carefully.

(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Your verse teaches that none of them had received the Holy Spirit.......even tho they had been water baptized.

Try reading more carefully.

Let's go in Act 10: 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Yes, Peter preached and they BELIEVED, and the Holy Ghost "fell on them"......and now being saved, they can go and be water baptized.

(Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place

Im Matt 4:4.....Jesus had not died on The Cross yet, so, the Holy Spirit was not yet given......and that means there are no Christians found in your verse..
What is found? ? Just water baptism, for JEWS.....according to John The Baptist's "repent and get water baptized".

Real Christians who understand THE CROSS OF CHRIST dont preach """Water Saves us.""" (water baptism is required for Salvation).
Heretics preach "water baptism".
Paul never did. ... Paul said "Christ sent me not to water baptize"......and that means....... That water baptism is not required for Salvation.
It does not mean that Paul never water baptized one of His Converts, after they believed in JESUS, and were born again.

"And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized

Notice again that the BELIEVING comes first...ALWAYS.......as that is when God saves the Believer..
= God saves through FAITH........not by water baptism.
And now that they are become a CHRISTian, by BELIEVING.... then they can go and be water baptized later that day, or in a month.

I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again.
I was called into the Ministry, 5 yrs before i was water baptized.

One of the Mods on this very forum was also water baptized years after She was born again.

Reader, Water Baptism is symbolic.
Water is Just WATER.

 

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So, we see here in Acts 8.... that the BELIEVING came first, as this is when God saves the BELIEVER,.. ."as our FAITH is counted by God, as Righteousness".. and not water baptism.
So, once Philip is assured of the Eunuch's Faith in Christ......that he has""" Believed with all his heart"" unto Salvation.. then Philip allows the Eunuch to get into the water.



So, once again, you posted a verse that Says the Believing in Christ comes first, and then now being saved.... they are allowed to be water baptized.

Try reading more carefully.



Your verse teaches that none of them had received the Holy Spirit.......even tho they had been water baptized.

Try reading more carefully.



Yes, Peter preached and they BELIEVED, and the Holy Ghost "fell on them"......and now being saved, they can go and be water baptized.



Im Matt 4:4.....Jesus had not died on The Cross yet, so, the Holy Spirit was not yet given......and that means there are no Christians found in your verse..
What is found? ? Just water baptism, for JEWS.....according to John The Baptist's "repent and get water baptized".

Real Christians who understand THE CROSS OF CHRIST dont preach """Water Saves us.""" (water baptism is required for Salvation).
Heretics preach "water baptism".
Paul never did. ... Paul said "Christ sent me not to water baptize"......and that means....... That water baptism is not required for Salvation.
It does not mean that Paul never water baptized one of His Converts, after they believed in JESUS, and were born again.



Notice again that the BELIEVING comes first...ALWAYS.......as that is when God saves the Believer..
= God saves through FAITH........not by water baptism.
And now that they are become a CHRISTian, by BELIEVING.... then they can go and be water baptized later that day, or in a month.

I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again.
I was called into the Ministry, 5 yrs before i was water baptized.

One of the Mods on this very forum was also water baptized years after She was born again.

Reader, Water Baptism is symbolic.
Water is Just WATER.

"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30). "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20).

Anyone that is not baptized is a person with their sins yet upon them, because it is the baptism that washes away our past sins. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16): Remember, before his crucifixion, Jesus told his disciples that his time (death) is not yet come; He also informed them that their time (death) can come at any moment