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'Even so then at this present time also
there is a remnant
according to the election of grace.'

(Rom 11:5)

Hello @Ronald David Bruno,

The Lord Jesus Christ came unto 'the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel': it was to them that He directed His words; and one day they will ALL believe. During His first advent, as Paul explains in Romans 11, only a believing remnant would be saved. Those whom God would call, but the day will come when all Israel shall be saved. All of Israel will be drawn to Him.
At His coming again, His second advent (Romans 11:26): they will see the marks in His body, caused by His humiliation and ill treatment prior to the cross, and by the crucifixion itself, and will mourn for Him, and repent as a nation.

'For I would not, brethren,
that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,
There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,
and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is My covenant unto them,
when I shall take away their sins.'

(Rom 11:25-27)

'And I will pour upon the house of David,
and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon Me Whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for Him,
as one mourneth for his only son
,
and shall be in bitterness for Him,
as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.'

(Zec 12:10)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
His sheep began with the house of Israel, then after His mission and Pentecost, it spread throughout the world. We were grafted into to the Vine and are His sheep.
In Romams 11, Paul differentiates Israel with the Gentiles and states that in the end times, when Jesus returns, a remnant of the Jews (Israel) will be saved and they will be grafted into the Body as well. They were blinded for a purpose and so God will lift their veil and they will realize who their Messiah had been all along. And the will mourn when they see Him.
 
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We are chosen! The doctrine of election is sound.

God does not choose you or cause you to trust in Christ.
He requries that we believe, and "our faith is counted by God, as Righteousness"..

The apparent paradox is in your limited perception. We see with blurry vision when it comes to the foreknowledge of God.

You are A mind owned Calvinist telling a Christian that they have blurry vision?

Look in the mirror, as its your spiritual and theological glasses that are DARK.

Calvin is just some Heretic who created a NT denying 500 yrs old theology.
God never told anyone to believe it., as God is not a Calvinist.

No, in Romans 1, God says they are "without excuse" and so God gave them over, let them go. If He let them go, obviously these are not His sheep and He is not drawing them to Christ.

Jesus said.....>"if i be lifted up on the Cross, i will DRAW all people to me"..

So, All people are excluded from any excuse that they would try to use to justifiy their Christ Rejection.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Romans 1:18-25

Your verses are defining "secularism"......or.... "of the world".

Its man claiming that the only Truth is """" whatever i choose to believe"""

"truth is relative".

"situation ethics".
 

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His sheep began with the house of Israel, then after His mission and Pentecost, it spread throughout the world. We were grafted into to the Vine and are His sheep.
In Romams 11, Paul differentiates Israel with the Gentiles and states that in the end times, when Jesus returns, a remnant of the Jews (Israel) will be saved and they will be grafted into the Body as well. They were blinded for a purpose and so God will lift their veil and they will realize who their Messiah had been all along. And the will mourn when they see Him.
The great secret! Few know about these matters but a thorough understanding of Isaiah 59 is a good start.
 
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God does not choose you or cause you to trust in Christ.
Did not say He causes us to trust, but we are all born spiritually blind. We cannot remove this blindness ourselves. He enables us to see spiritually.
You are A mind owned Calvinist telling a Christian that they have blurry vision?
I am not a Calvinist and if you knew me, you would know I argue against TULIP.

We can believe in predestination without adopting TULIP!

The Doctrine of Election has caused confusion and division.
Simply, God has predestined us to be saved.
Elect means chosen, determined beforehand, ordained before time.

Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity” 2 Timothy 1:9
>> According to a His purpose and plan. He designed a perfect plan _ in the beginning. A plan like an architectural blueprint contains all the details before it is built and carried out. It is not an open-ended, create as you go, plan.
That said, it appears that way to us; as we pridefully think our destiny is in our hands and we are the directors of our own reality and that life is what we make it. This spiritual destiny of all can't be subject to our sinful state, our countless errors; for He would have to fix
redraft, crumple up the blueprint, chuck it in the trash and start over. And since our lives intertwine, how when we look back, we see how events developed, were guided and led to that divine appoint, had to be perfect, fixed. One false move, a fork on the road, where we decided to go changes everything.
I love "It's A Wonderful Life" because George Baily sees an alternate reality of his town if he hadn't been born. He did 't realize that he was tied to so much good that just wouldn't happen if he wasn't born. God predestined George, though he wanted to leave many times, to stay with the Building and Loan, in that town, live out his life, bless all those people and thwart the forces of Satan's evil and greedy Mr. Potter.

God's sovereignty can't be subject to man's billions of errors, ignorance and spiritual state - which is lost.

Galatians 1:15-16 But even before I was born, God chose me and called me by his marvelous grace. Then it pleased him to reveal his Son to me so that I would proclaim the Good News about Jesus to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 43:10 “But you are my witnesses, O Israel!” says the Lord. “You are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God— there never has been, and there never will be.

However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them.
John 6:37
>>The Father had a specific number of sheep that He gave to Jesus - before they actually believed. Only His sheep heard His called. How? They were spiritually equipped, so when summoned, they turned to Him and came.

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
>> There it is _ that word _ foreknowledge. We wrestle with that. We can't conceive of knowing the details of the future, so it confounds us. But our pride kicks in and the magnificent power of our free will. "LIFE US WHATVWE MAKE IT"! Yeah, sure, whatever you say.

“So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.” Colossians 3:12-13

“Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness.” Titus 1:1

“But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.” 2 Thessalonians 2:13

“For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.” Deuteronomy 7:7

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
>> It says it all right there. We can't choose to come to Him unless He first draws us. He, through His plan, that involves many people, events and lessons that prepare us, enables us and draws us to Himself and we answer the call.

Romans 8:28-30. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Ephesians 1:4-5. just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons
and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
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God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. JOHN 15:16

The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil.” Proverbs 16:4

Well, there it is. Wrestle with it all you want.
 
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OK back to topic...

Any more good arguments against Universal Reconciliation ?

There have been many prominent believers in this camp including C.S. Lewis.
 

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You just posted that God will Judge Christ Rejectors into HELL...., yet You just explained this as God not allowing them to Believe in Jesus.

So, that God, according to that theological insanity, is a cosmic Psychopath.........who sends Christ Rejectors to Hell, who are not allowed to Believe In Jesus.
So that "GOD" wont allow you to trust in Christ and then blames you for your unbelief and damns you for it.

= That is CRAZY theology, that is so Cross Rejecting and Grace denying = that only Satan could have created such a Twisted LIE that is : Hyper=Calvinism.

In the contrary who are you to question what God has determined?

Did Jesus not speak in parables so that only the chosen would understand ???

The Purpose of the Parables​

10 And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that

“‘they may indeed see but not perceive,
and may indeed hear but not understand,
lest they should turn and be forgiven.’”
 

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In the contrary who are you to question what God has determined?

What kind of deceived person would believe that a 500 obo yr old Cult Teaching by a carnal Man who helped cause a Christian to be burned at the Stake........ has to be "of God"?

I assure you that its not of God... so because its not....i do more then question it.......I deny it on forums , i castigate it in public, and i truthfully proclaim it to be a theological cancer on the body of Christ.

Never be the person who believe in that "TULIP" mind control doctrine of devils....., or teaches it.

Did Jesus not speak in parables so that only the chosen would understand ???

The born again are chosen, by being "in Christ"...........So, this means that to be born again, is how you will be chosen.
No one is predestined to be born again, as its "the will of God that everyone believe in Jesus" and not everyone will.... becasuse that is their FREE WILL.

So, to become that "chosen".........you have to give God YOUR FAITH...in Christ., and once you are "in Christ" your are then """"predestined (chosen) to be conformed into the image of Christ"

10 And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables,

Never use verses aimed at unsaved Jewish Apostles, when you are talking about doctrine for the born again Body of Christ. @Carl Emerson

See, all the born again are already IN The Kingdom of God, and Its IN them.... as the KOG is """righteousness, peace, and Joy, in the Holy Spirit"""".
This means that eternal spiritual union with God, is found IN the believer.. who is also "IN Christ" and "ONE with God".
 

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Clearly you deny the Father the right to choose and in so doing are in danger of judging God.

Jesus was clearly delivering the message of the Father in parables so those not chosen would not hear and not repent. (Mark 4)