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Grailhunter

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So you believe that one of the foremost international geneticists is wrong? Here's a link:
Did not say that there were no creationists with doctorate degree....none that would be endorsed by any legitimate scientist or university.

The International Flat Earth Research Society (IFERS), better known as the Flat Earth Society, was set up by Samuel Shenton in 1956, in Dover, UK, as a direct descendant of the Universal Zetetic Society.

There were several "alleged scientists" that thought the world was going to end in the year 2000.
 

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I consider that the one I was responding 2 was here for the truth, but I find more an more lately that very few care for Him. You know full well what I said, God made man perfect in the image of God, even a unlearned chritsian knows that,

but as the bible says, mankind like you are trying to make God in the Image of man, imperfect as we are now. You know this bit.

You seem to be projecting your ideas on me. Our "image" in God's likeness is in our minds and souls, not in appearance or in any of His eternal properties. In supposing
 
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So you believe that one of the foremost international geneticists is wrong? Here's a link:

Is this the same unnamed "prominent evolutionist" who allegedly disparaged black people? Show us that this guy is "one of the foremost international geneticists." What do you have?

Barbarian checks:
This guy isn't even a geneticist, much less "one of the foremost international geneticists". Here's his outstanding achievements.
  • 2003 University of Miami, Ph.D. Marine Biology and Fisheries.
  • 1992 Georgia Institute of Technology, B.S. Applied Biology, Co-Op, with high honor.
  • 2000 UM MFBS Center grant for cloning and sequencing of novel GFPs: $4800
  • 1999 Institute for Marine Science Fellowship: $25,000
  • 1996-1999 Maytag Fellowship: $39,000
  • 1996 S.T.A.R. Teacher for Darlington School and the city of Rome, Georgia
  • 1990/1991 President, Beta Alpha chapter of Theta Xi Fraternity, Georgia Tech
    • Taught AP biology, chemistry, physics, and electronics
    • Extracurricular activities included Head Coach of the Darlington Swimming and Diving Team, head of Adventure Darlington-summer school high adventure program.
Robert Carter - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science

By that standard, I'm a geneticist. And I'm not.

Ask yourself; "if this belief was remotely scientifically valid, wouldn't I be able to find at least one real geneticist who believes it's true?"
 
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Henry Fairfield Osborne - Natural History, April 1980, p129.

Osborne died in 1935
Henry Fairfield Osborn - Wikipedia

Did you think I wouldn't know? More likely, I think you again trusted people who lied to you. For comparison, Osborne's creationist contemporary Louis Agassiz, actually argued that blacks are a different species than the rest of us, and are not the descendants of Adam and Eve.
 
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Did not say that there were no creationists with doctorate degree....none that would be endorsed by any legitimate scientist or university.

The International Flat Earth Research Society (IFERS), better known as the Flat Earth Society, was set up by Samuel Shenton in 1956, in Dover, UK, as a direct descendant of the Universal Zetetic Society.

There were several "alleged scientists" that thought the world was going to end in the year 2000.
Copy and paste...I said---> There is no logic or science to what you are presenting. What you present is a deception. There is no legitimate group of scientists or university that is going to agree with you.
 

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Well, let's take a look...
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.

It say they will die in that day. No way to discount it.



Unless God was speaking of a spiritual death. If that's true, then God spoke the truth. Since God is truth, the only consistent understanding is that the death was not physical.


But the Scripture says that God is not a man that He should lie (Numbers 23:19). You have painted yourself into a corner, because if you add to Genesis, the idea that the death must be physical you have only two alternatives:
1. God did not say that Adam was going to die the day he ate the fruit;
or:
2. God lied when He said Adam would die the very day he ate the fruit, when in fact he died 900 years later.

Also, you are saying that God further lied when He said that He was not a man that He should lie, when He actually was lying when He said it! Do you see how adding your new doctrine to Genesis makes everything absurd? You have concluded that God cannot be depended on to tell the truth.

So, how can you know that you are truly saved if God cannot be depended on to tell the truth?

Hi Yehren,
It had to be spiritual death, and the start of dying physically...I do not know if God made Adam and Eve "perfect"...just the fact that they disobeyed tells me they were NOT perfect but were they created to be immortal? Hmm. I do not know. But, if you think about it, we humans start to die the moment we are born...
 

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It had to be spiritual death, and the start of dying physically...I do not know if God made Adam and Eve "perfect"...just the fact that they disobeyed tells me they were NOT perfect but were they created to be immortal? Hmm. I do not know. But, if you think about it, we humans start to die the moment we are born..

God tells us this at the end of Genesis 3:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

Adam wasn't immortal, and God made sure that he would never be so.
 
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Did not say that there were no creationists with doctorate degree....none that would be endorsed by any legitimate scientist or university.

Kurt Wise is a YE creationist who got his doctorate from Harvard. There are others. But there are many, many others who got their "PhDs" from diploma mills. And not just creationists; phony for-profit "universities" have proliferated, now that the department of education is headed by a fellow grifter. It's hard to believe, but she actually made Detroit schools worse. That's right; she made them worse. I wouldn't have thought it possible.

But she made a nice profit on it.
 
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God tells us this at the end of Genesis 3:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

Adam wasn't immortal, and God made sure that he would never be so.

You mean if they ate of the GOOD tree? And, that is why God banished them from the Garden and put the Cherubs to guard it...I'm pretty sure that's why, anyhow. :)
 

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Kurt Wise is a YE creationist who got his doctorate from Harvard. There are others. But there are many, many others who got their "PhDs" from diploma mills. And not just creationists; phony for-profit "universities" have proliferated, now that the department of education is headed by a fellow grifter. It's hard to believe, but she actually made Detroit schools worse. That's right; she made them worse. I wouldn't have thought it possible.

But she made a nice profit on it.
Here is a topic you can sink your teeth into. All of American education...all of it founders and administrators from the early 1900's to today are physiologists that use processes and procedures that can be traced back to Nazi, Russia, and Chinese mind control and behavioral modification techniques. From Grade one to doctorate degrees they are taught to be atheists and to look favoritively on communism.
 
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He noted that it was logically absurd to imagine real mornings and evenings with no sun to have them. So the text itself says that's not a literal history.
Typical pagan philosopher Augustine was at times, putting logic over God's revelation through His Word. Rome imbibed Augustine and went drunk through the Dark Ages.
 

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Typical pagan philosopher Augustine was at times, putting logic over God's revelation through His Word.

From the start, truth mattered to the Church Jesus began. Logic, for pagans, doesn't matter; they put faith over reason. Not His Church.

Truth remains; but the various pagan ideologies have fallen over the millennia. This too shall pass.
 

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Here is a topic you can sink your teeth into. All of American education...all of it founders and administrators from the early 1900's to today are physiologists that use processes and procedures that can be traced back to Nazi, Russia, and Chinese mind control and behavioral modification techniques.

You mean where they make an assertion, never offer any evidence for it, and expect people to believe it? ;)
 

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You seem to be projecting your ideas on me. Our "image" in God's likeness is in our minds and souls, not in appearance or in any of His eternal properties. In supposing
my idea, hmmm you seem to have a problem with a loving perfect God.
 

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From the start, truth mattered to the Church Jesus began. Logic, for pagans, doesn't matter; they put faith over reason. Not His Church.

Truth remains; but the various pagan ideologies have fallen over the millennia. This too shall pass.

"From the start, truth mattered to the Church Jesus began."-true.
"Logic, for pagans, doesn't matter; they put faith over reason." -faith in what? In their own logic over God's Word? Much of the 'Church' has done just that.
"Truth remains; but the various pagan ideologies have fallen over the millennia. This too shall pass." -Lies and deception continue also. Certain pagan religions may have fallen but the methods of twisting God's Word continues, e.g. the mixture of human reason with God's Word where eventually man's reason trumps God's Word.
 

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You mean if they ate of the GOOD tree? And, that is why God banished them from the Garden and put the Cherubs to guard it...I'm pretty sure that's why, anyhow.

I think that makes sense. They weren't immortal but could be made to be so. That had to wait until our Redemption. Notice that Jesus didn't save us from a physical death. We all still die. It was the spiritual death that Adam brought into the world, we were saved from that.
 
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"Logic, for pagans, doesn't matter; they put faith over reason." -faith in what? In their own logic over God's Word?

For pagans, faith is sufficient. Since God is truth, we are called upon to accept the logic of his being. And yes, much of the Church has done it. Christianity isn't merely a religion, like all the others that call for belief without reason.

Reason points to God. He gave you a mind for a purpose. Use it.
 

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Hmm... my kid's teachers encouraged them to question things. Maybe all those public schools were the exception?
It depends on where you are at but things like common core...cognitive reconstruction, values modification, social perception modification are written lesson plans. And told that they will lose their jobs if anything gets out to the parents. Sounds like the perfect conspiracy theory don't it. Why do you think that so many of the youth are coming out of the colleges, socialist, atheist, druggies.