Holy Spirit Appoints Jack Van Impe to tell the World Jesus is Returning very Soon!!

[Lady Crosstalk]

Dear LC,

AMEN, and AMEN. We had our own RENOWN Hireling close by in Albuquerque who diverted our Radio Ministry giving into the Church funds, apparently so that he could get "his cut". And even in our small town which has about a dozen churches, the previous largest church pastor was hauled away in handcuffs for child porn; and the present largest church pastor (where we were attending) is a bald faced liar. Of course in one the lessor churches (where we had previously attended) the "youth pastor" statutorily raped a young girl whose mother was dying of cancer -- and was not only never prosecuted, but still LEADS THE MUSIC MINISTRY.

So it's not the size of the ministry, but the existence of the HIRELING. And if I'm mistaken, Jesus NEVER spoke well of the HIRELING!

With Blessings To YOU and YOURS!
Bobby Jo

Same back at ya'.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I think we prolly all suffer from that to a greater/lesser extent?

Mmm--no, I don't think so bbyrd. There are some who overrate themselves, sure. But then, there are those who are super-competent at what they do and they look down on others. If they are of a larcenous nature--they think others are "chumps" (or "sheep to be fleeced"). Jesus only spoke of two types of disease--physical or spiritual. Even what appears to be "mental illness" is often due to a brain malfunction of some sort, or a spiritual illness--or both. Sin is the biggest problem that the human race faces. Sin brings death--and disease, which is a little bit of death, with each disease.

 

[Taken]

So what's your point?

My post about God telling us to cease from man, meaning to stop listening to men's doctrines, was easy enough to understand.

Okay. That is your point. Thanks.
(I disagree with your point.)

You then has asked.

"Can Jack Van Impe Save You?"

My point was;
No one was Saying "Jack Van Impe could save anyone".
So I did NOT SEE the point of you ASKING THAT QUESTION.

Seems it boils down to in a round about way that YOU are IMPLYING;
1) Jack Van Impe is a false chirst,
And
2) Men should IGNORE "his" Doctrine.

Would that be CORRECT?

IF SO;

SINCE the SUBJECT of the OP, is Jack Van Impe TEACHING, "Jesus is returning Soon"...

Is it your VIEW, that Jack Van Impe IS TEACHING A FALSE DOCTRINE?
BY Jack TEACHING "Jesus is returning Soon"?


Can you answer, a simple YES or NO?

Are you Claiming Jack Van Impe is Teaching He SAVES People?

Can you answer, a simple YES or NO?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Davy said:

My post about God telling us to cease from man, meaning to stop listening to men's doctrines, was easy enough to understand.

Okay. That is your point. Thanks.
(I disagree with your point.)

Men speak, testify, preach and teach.
You want to boil that down to DOCTRINE,
Okay.

One CAN NOT KNOW, IF what men speak, testify, preach and teach......
IS the mans "made up" Doctrine...
OR the man speaking;
Christ's Doctrine....
Less the one First hears a man speak.
HEARS what the Man Says...

THEN verifies what the man Says 'IS actually Christ's Doctrine".

The OP is about Jack Van Impe, TEACHING...
The "DOCTRINE"...

That "Jesus is returning soon".

You IMPLY Jack Van Impe, IS TEACHING "HIS" Doctrine, and NOT Christ's Doctrine.

You IMPLY based on your determination, ^^^
That Jack Van Impe is "therefore" a false teacher / a false christ.

Based ON YOUR determination, you "therefore" believe, Jack Van Impe's TEACHING should be IGNORED.

IS THAT CORRECT?

IF SO, I disagree.

Jack DOES TEACH, Jesus is returning SOON.

Scripture says:

1 Pet 4
[7] But the end of all things is at hand:

("At Hand", means, close, near, soon)

Scripture says:

Rev 22
[12] And, behold, I come quickly;

("Behold", means look
"Quickly", means without delay)

Scripture says:

Rev 3
[11] Behold, I come quickly:

Where exactly (according to you) is the CONFLICT between Scripture saying;
Jesus' return IS "AT HAND"
And
Jack Van Impe saying:
Jesus' return IS "SOON"
????


Scripture says:

Rev 22
[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus

Here Scripture AGAIN is Jesus' Testimony, that SURELY He comes quickly...
Amen..(agree).

Even So...."Even as Jesus testified He shall come quickly, and His coming IS AT HAND...

DO YOU BELIEVE, "evenly", IN "agreement"
WITH Jesus' Testimony?

Jack Van Impe DOES, and "SAYS SO"!

So, (according to you), HOW is what Jack IS teaching, "IN CONFLICT"...and (NOT) according to Christ's OWN Doctrine?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

That's a GREAT "Lazy man's excuse"!

... I was going to mow the lawn, but there was a cloud in the sky ...


Perhaps if you got off your nether quarters, you'd actually have an opinion as to exactly what JVI is correct in, and/or what he's incorrect in. But instead you offer platitudes. -- Don't waste our time ...


Bobby Jo

No probs ok, Death More Abundantly and life, more abundantly just don't mix I guess.
At all. Not even a little.
But you can believe that is what Christianity is about, if you like.
I even wish you and Jack the best of luck in your quest for future immortality,
after you have died, ok?

 

[bbyrd009]

Mmm--no, I don't think so bbyrd. There are some who overrate themselves, sure. But then, there are those who are super-competent at what they do and they look down on others. If they are of a larcenous nature--they think others are "chumps" (or "sheep to be fleeced". Jesus only spoke of two types of disease--physical or spiritual. Even what appears to be "mental illness" is often due to a brain malfunction of some sort, or a spiritual illness--or both. Sin is the biggest problem that the human race faces. Sin brings death--and disease, which is a little bit of death with each disease.

Well good points imo, ya. Your health will def be a pointer, health of a nation in general, ya.

On the other thing, the D/K effect, it might be that even one who generally would not make deterministic statements when they are ignorant of a subject might find themselves in a situation where their pride or ego is threatened, and succumb to the temptation maybe? Regardless tho, He who says he knows, does not...right? So now I am on the lookout for He who says he knows

 

[Davy]

Okay. That is your point. Thanks.
(I disagree with your point.)

You then has asked.



My point was;
No one was Saying "Jack Van Impe could save anyone".
So I did NOT SEE the point of you ASKING THAT QUESTION.
....

And my point is that if one has to rely on what SOME OTHER MAN SAYS, then they are relying on them for their UNDERSTANDING.

That is exactly... what many here do!

They don't really study enough for themselves, but they just absorb whatever someone says that is popular (like Jack Van Imp).

You would think those who post on a Christian forum would be able to express their own understanding they get from study of God's Word, and not have to rely on men's teachings. (Excepting posts asking about another's teaching).

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Well good points imo, ya. Your health will def be a pointer, health of a nation in general, ya.

On the other thing, the D/K effect, it might be that even one who generally would not make deterministic statements when they are ignorant of a subject might find themselves in a situation where their pride or ego is threatened, and succumb to the temptation maybe? Regardless tho, He who says he knows, does not...right? So now I am on the lookout for He who says he knows

Any scientist worth his salt will say that we can't really KNOW anything for certain, because of the problem of "proof". While we could do many experiments which give supporting evidence to a theory we are trying to confirm, just next week, next month, etc. may come an experiment which absolutely denies our theory. Einstein is reported to have said, in other words, “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.”

As an example: Some who hold to the theory of evolution, are fond of saying that evolution has been "proved", that it is "established scientific fact". That is unscientific and isn't even true. The entire "theory" of evolution is actually little more than a hypothesis since no one has ever seen one species become another species and it does not account for origins. Evolutionists are fond of saying (in an attempt to avoid the significant problem of using ToE to explain origins) that "evolution is just change over time." In doing so, they are stating a triviality--since no creationist or holder of intelligent design denies that species change over time. There is something called "genetic drift," within a species--BUT, they do not become other animals. There appears to be a limit as to the amount any animal can adapt to a changing environment. Half of all plants which have ever lived are now extinct and the animal world is not far behind. They apparently reached the end of their ability to adapt--which casts doubt on the "goo to you" notions of evolutionists. So, I suppose you could say that the Dunning-Kruger Effect applies to evolutionists--they think they are more knowledgeable than they are.

 

[bbyrd009]

Any scientist worth his salt will say that we can't really KNOW anything for certain

the contrast with the deterministic statements made by believers, say about the future or the past, when they cannot possibly know though, is imo a point there. For scientists i goto a diff forum

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

the contrast with the deterministic statements made by believers, say about the future or the past, when they cannot possibly know though, is imo a point there. For scientists i goto a diff forum

Just using it as an example, bbyrd. But, faith is not science: science is not faith. Real believers generally like to stick to what is stated in the Bible. Not really sure what you mean by "deterministic statements".

 

[Bobby Jo]

No probs ok, Death More Abundantly and life, more abundantly just don't mix I guess.
At all. Not even a little.
But you can believe that is what Christianity is about, if you like.
I even wish you and Jack the best of luck in your quest for future immortality,
after you have died, ok?

I do believe you've confused your imagination with Jesus' words. But my challenge was for JVI's words.

Secondly, if someone tells you 99 things that are INCREDIBLY (read: impossibly) correct, would you tend to believe the 100th? -- Such is Scripture. But if you don't like the TRUTH, perhaps you're content with politicians ...


Bobby Jo

 

[bbyrd009]

you lost me at politicians, sorry. I accept any evidence of the literal Exodus as genuine, if that is what one is seeking, works for me. I guess you mean the opposing views? I would certainly want to consider many views from both sides to even say. I'd be looking in the Reed Sea though

faith is not science: science is not faith

I'm not sure it is fair to disconnect them entirely, at least. Many passages inform us to test, and see I think. The signs will be apparent I guess; magical thinking about some event that is supposed to happen in the near future--always in the near future--magical thinking about things that happened in the past, selective literal reading, refusal to address Scripture that does not line up with the pov, on and on. A penchant for slick guys who like jets lol
Disney

 

[Bobby Jo]

... I accept any evidence ...

... you're in luck, because I can EASILY give you ~100 citations where Scripture prophesies about events in the 1900's which have come true, including WWI, WWII (including Fat Man and Little Boy), etc., etc. -- And they're all easily verified by History, which can't be said for some ancient historical occurrences.

When do we start?


Bobby Jo

 

[bbyrd009]

... you're in luck, because I can EASILY give you ~100 citations where Scripture prophesies about events in the 1900's which have come true, including WWI, WWII (including Fat Man and Little Boy), etc., etc. -- And they're all easily verified by History, which can't be said for some ancient historical occurrences.

When do we start?


Bobby Jo

Ha, I mean I already accept even that stuff, we live in a fractal world imo, and surely there is Scripture that might be relevant to those. Also.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I'm not sure it is fair to disconnect them entirely, at least. Many passages inform us to test, and see I think. The signs will be apparent I guess; magical thinking about some event that is supposed to happen in the near future--always in the near future--magical thinking about things that happened in the past, selective literal reading, refusal to address Scripture that does not line up with the pov, on and on. A penchant for slick guys who like jets lol
Disney

Hebrews 11:1--->"Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see." While science is not faith and faith is not science, they both move forward on evidence.

As for "refusing" to "address Scripture that does not line up with the point of view" you are wrong on that score. You may or may not have discovered that taking one line of Scripture and then making a theology of it is neither a sound nor reasonable thing to do. With enough study, one comes to the conclusion that ALL Scripture harmonizes with all other Scripture. Any apparent contradictions melt away on further study. Our translations and then interpretations on top of them can make for error because humans are full of errors and contradictions. The Holy Spirit is error and contradiction-free. He always agrees with the Father and the Son, who always agree with each other. 1 John 5:7-8--> "So we have these three witnesses--the Spirit, the water and the blood--and all three agree." The Holy Spirit, the Father and the Son are three persons but one in purpose and affiliation.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Even if I thought a preacher was 99.99% a "fake" I would not dare speak evil of him because there is a .01% chance he is God's anointed appointed last day teacher and I want no part of mocking, scoffing, being a false witness against God's man==the price and danger of early judgment is too great!!THINK!!

 

[Bobby Jo]

Ha, I mean I already accept even that stuff, we live in a fractal world imo, and surely there is Scripture that might be relevant to those. Also.

So then you know where to find these Scriptures! And you're now convinced that GOD can write something some 2,500 plus years before it happens, and it happened EXACTLY as GOD said it would. So being convinced, you accept both GOD and Scripture (and thereby Jesus) as Eternal Unmitigated TRUTH!


Yeah I don't believe a word of it,
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Even if I thought a preacher was 99.99% a "fake" I would not dare speak evil of him because there is a .01% chance he is God's anointed appointed last day teacher and I want no part of mocking, scoffing, being a false witness against God's man==the price and danger of early judgment is too great!!THINK!!

Phhhhhhhh, -- Scripture says if a "prophet's" words don't come to pass that we don't need to fear him. But if you have no standing before GOD, then maybe you should fear not only the FALSE PROPHETS, but also the lying politicians, the corrupt cops, and let your wife be the head of the house.

~ I'm just a little mouse ~, -- NOT,
Bobby Jo

 

[n2thelight]

I am a born-again son of God and joint heir with Jesus!!! And you??

What does it mean to be born again?Guess that's my next topic....

 

[n2thelight]

For you all rapturist,when this event happens there will be no more children on this earth correct?