Homosexuality

[teamventure]

whiteknuckle and everyone. there shouldn't be any debate at all as to if homosexuality is a sin.
the Bible is clear that not only is practicing homosexuality a sin but an abomination.

end of story. and i have friends who are homosexuals so save the gay bashing accusations.

 

[Nomad]

whiteknuckle and everyone. there shouldn't be any debate at all as to if homosexuality is a sin.
the Bible is clear that not only is practicing homosexuality a sin but an abomination.

end of story. and i have friends who are homosexuals so save the gay bashing accusations.

Good for you. You've got it right.

 

[teamventure]

thanks nomad

 

[aspen]

I dont think the conversation is about whether homosexuality is a sin or not - it is sin. I think we have been talking about how to treat homosexuals in the church and in our country. Do they qualify as a minority class? Do they need protection under hate law legislation? Does their sin disqualify them from membership in churches?

 

[us2are1]

No the point I was making was the error in your previous post. You condemned someone from accepting funds from a homosexual group on the premise that it is wrong to use such money to help others and that God would not do such a thing.

I condemn no one. Nor am I in error. Truth is truth.
God would not do such a thing nor is He involved in such confusion. Judas carried the money belt. Christ didn't use it.
So is a christian supposed to follow Judas or Christ?




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[jiggyfly]

I condemn no one. Nor am I in error. Truth is truth.
God would not do such a thing nor is He involved in such confusion. Judas carried the money belt. Christ didn't use it.
So is a christian supposed to follow Judas or Christ?




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Judas did what Christ told him to do. Now either get back on topic or start another thread.

Firstly, God causes all things to work for the good of those that love Him.

Secondly, Every single company I have ever worked for has been crooked. Even the one I currently work for that claims to be Christian. Having a job and working (which is good) and recieving money from a company that does wrong is what?

If someone from the Mafia gave you $1million, what would you do? They wont take it back, and you have the money. Is it sinful to feed the poor with the ill gotten gains of criminals? If you're talking about doing something wrong to get money, then I agree.

Edited to add:

Isn't this supposed to be a debate on if homosexuality is a sin?

Very nicely put Whiteknuckle and yes seems we have strayed off topic.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

[sup]8[/sup] If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. [sup]9[/sup] But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. [sup]10[/sup] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. [sup]11[/sup] For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
[sup]12[/sup] Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom [royal law], [sup]13[/sup]

Where do you get this royal law from Prentis ? I like the sound of it but it sounds like a Prentis doctrine.

 

[goodshepard55]

Mercy... darling if you knew how much God uses the money to feed and provide for you would be so surprised..I guess me taking money from the Mason's for a trailer to move the elderly or others into homes was wrong? I suppose the clubs that give me a few dollars from their poker machines are wrong...God actually multiplies that money to unimaginable amounts...the small amount of $7,000..for this year has already furnished 4 houses for the abused, from linen to frigs and washers....has bought medication for 6 people, has fed over 500 with 4 weeks worth of groceries each...Okay I think I will speak to God and tell Him no more money from the enemy, let the enemy spend it on drugs, sexual abuse of the children, let the battered woman live on the streets and let the children go hungry...I think my God is so much bigger than that,... really darling open your eyes and see God uses all for His glory...even taking money from the enemy and using it to show God....LOL...this has gotten beyond funny...Homosexual is a sin, God detest sin..God loves the sinner, God loves me...So darling us2are1...come stay with me a week and see the Glory of God use the money to feed His people..

 

[Prentis]

Where do you get this royal law from Prentis ? I like the sound of it but it sounds like a Prentis doctrine.

It's James, I think it's also called the 'golden law' in another translation.

This is the standard of righteousness, the righteousness that is necessary to salvation. In the Spirit there is freedom... Freedom to what? To love.

 

[Vengle]

I condemn no one. Nor am I in error. Truth is truth.
God would not do such a thing nor is He involved in such confusion. Judas carried the money belt. Christ didn't use it.
So is a christian supposed to follow Judas or Christ?




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I agree.

That would be cursed funds and to accept it can only demonstrate a strong possibility of greater affection for money than for the holiness of God.

And even if that were not true in our particular case it would stumble onlookers to our having accepted it.

It is not defensible to accept such funds but in one's self delusion.

And that is not meant to be cruel to anyone. In fact it is proper love to be that honest when it is called for.

 

[jiggyfly]

I agree.

That would be cursed funds and to accept it can only demonstrate a strong possibility of greater affection for money than for the holiness of God.

And even if that were not true in our particular case it would stumble onlookers to our having accepted it.

It is not defensible to accept such funds but in one's self delusion.

Please get back on topic, if you want to continue your discussion along these lines then open a new thread. Thanks.

 

[us2are1]

Homosexuality is blatant sin. Sexuality itself is blatant sin. Here is the proof.

Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

 

[Vengle]

Homosexuality is blatant sin. Sexuality itself is blatant sin. Here is the proof.

Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

:lol: Man could I have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had seen it that way a long time ago! :lol:

 

[jiggyfly]

Homosexuality is blatant sin. Sexuality itself is blatant sin. Here is the proof.

Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Is eating food blatant sin also? How about taking a shower or paying your light bill?

What about God's command? "Be fruitful and and multiply".

 

[biggandyy]

The only folks who believe the Bible condemns sexuality in general as sinful are the ugly blokes like me...

 

[Comm.Arnold]

Homosexuality is blatant sin. Sexuality itself is blatant sin. Here is the proof.

Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

I don't what you are getting at but it is one of the first thing God tells us to do in Genesis 9:7 "As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it". If you are talking about people who abuse sex I withdraw my comment.

 

[Vengle]

us2are1,

In defense of what you said, you are right that to focus on sexuality as does this world is a sin of carnality.

I think all of we who have poked a little fun at how you said it understand that.

 

[Foreigner]

Someone once told me that whatever you turn to in your time of need - depression, stressful times, disappointments, boredom - THAT is your God.

Leaning of food, sex, shopping, Internet usage, social media, etc.

I know a number of people who deal with their emptiness by trying to fill the void in their lives by various means.
One reads books every single solitary free moment of their day. Wide variety of genres. Page after page, hour after hour. Before work. Breaks. From the moment they get home from work until they go to bed. Always has 4-5 books in her backpack.
Another used to stop on the way home and rent 3-4 DVDs to watch until he fell asleep. This was done every single solitary day. Netflix has since given him a much easier fix.
One eats. All day. Breakfast. Lunch. Dinner - all full meals. They also eat regularly throughout the day and right up until they go to bed.
Yet another does online video games. Individually and on teams. Late into the night and all-day over the weekend. At work he incessantly blogs about it.
The last one is obsessed with social media: Facebook, Twitter, blogging, etc.

They don't know it (or didn't know it) but they are simply trying to fill a void in their lives. An emptiness that only Christ can fill.

Even Christians can have/exhibit this behavior. This is where the "I am a selfish God" part comes in.
God doesn't want to play second fiddle to something else that you willfully spend more time with than Him.


That is also true with sex. Premarital sex is wrong in and of itself.
But if you are married and your sexual activities go beyond acceptable to other areas (swinging, pornography, same-sex, etc.) that is also something God frowns upon and that activity drives a wedge between you and Him.

Also, there is Sexual Addiction. That can happen even within a monogamous relationship.

Basically, what it comes down to is this:

If your primary focus in time of need/emptiness/lonliness is something other than God, you have a problem.
If your precious free time is focused on something that occupies much more time than you give God per day, that, too, is a problem.

In a book called, "Did You Think To Pray," the author Kendall says, "Children spell love: T-I-M-E. What if God spells love: T-I-M-E?"

 

[biggandyy]

I would beg to differ. The problem (at least here in the States) is not a lack of turning to God in times of need or emergency, it is keeping God in our mind when things get boring or comfortable. Satan's greatest weapon in the Western world isn't war or famine or tyranny, it is prosperity.

In times of plenty a God of provision and steadfastness isn't as attractive as He is when bombs are raining down on our heads or grocery market shelves are stripped bare in a buying frenzy by the great unwashed.

No, our times of need we turn to God. In times of plenty we turn towards our stomachs and libido.

 

[Foreigner]

I don't see how you are "begging to differ."

As I mentioned, these things 'other than God' are what people are turning to when they are bored, as well.
Also, being lonely is not necessarily the "times of trouble" that financial difficulties, family problems, health issues, etc. are.

But you are correct. In times of 'prosperity' is when a lot of people feel less inclined to interact with God.

I can speak from experience that in my times of greatest prosperity - not just financial, but businesswise and familywise - that it was the most difficult time to keep my focus on God.

The Holy Spirit tried several times to prompt me to change my lack of attention. When that failed God resorted to what I like to call 'the nuclear option.'

He didn't do it to be spiteful or to punish. He did in order to help me. At the time I didn't see it that way, but hindsight is 20-20.

I thank God today for that.