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FHII · Jan 19, 2018

Rollo Tamasi said:
Your understanding of Romans 13 is not up to par.
Verses 1-7 talk about the duty of the state, the authority of the state, and duties of citizenship.
God appoints all rulers, therefore, they are all servants of God
The words pastor and minister don't even appear in this chapter.

Oh really?

Romans 13:1-6

1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

There it is twice. Now I can believe that it's talking about the rulers of the state or I can believe it's talking about the minister of God (like it says).

bbyrd009 · Jan 19, 2018

FHII said:
There it is twice. Now I can believe that it's talking about the rulers of the state or I can believe it's talking about the minister of God (like it says).

or like you want it to say anyway, i mean at least acknowledge that, right, it won't take away from the truth. It seems pretty clearly to be talking about those under the law imo. Now are pastors today essentially an arm of that? yes, i could even show you the paperwork.

Rollo Tamasi · Jan 19, 2018

FHII said:
Oh really?

Romans 13:1-6

1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

There it is twice. Now I can believe that it's talking about the rulers of the state or I can believe it's talking about the minister of God (like it says).

Read the entire sentence 13:4 and 13:6.
!3:4, this minister is an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrong doer.
13:6 talks about paying taxes because these ministers serve full time to governing.
I don't want to burst your bubble but you got to let go of this one.

FHII · Jan 19, 2018

Rollo Tamasi said:
Read the entire sentence 13:4 and 13:6.
!3:4, this minister is an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrong doer.
13:6 talks about paying taxes because these ministers serve full time to governing.
I don't want to burst your bubble but you got to let go of this one.

I did read it. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever unless you have the foolish notion that REAL ministers never execute wrath. You aren't one of those people who believe Men of God must be sweet, harmless wimps, are you?

bbyrd009 · Jan 19, 2018

ha well you aren't one of those ppl who believe Men of God must be ordained, are you?

FHII · Jan 19, 2018

bbyrd009 said:
ha well you aren't one of those ppl who believe Men of God must be ordained, are you?

They have to be ordained by God, sure... Don't you?

Triumph1300 · Jan 19, 2018

FHII said:
They have to be ordained by God, sure... Don't you?

Correct. Not by men.

I have seen enough crazy men ordaining other crazy men.

bbyrd009 · Jan 20, 2018

i mean pls

amadeus · Jan 20, 2018

The following verse, I believe, describes the Church assembly:

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt 18:20

I have underlined the essential part of it. Even saying the words, "in Jesus name" doesn't necessarily make it so. There are a lot of folks meeting together regularly, and they may call it "church", but many of them are still likely forsaking as per this verse as God sees it:

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Just filling a space in a building in a room called a sanctuary is not enough. Two or three "in His name" on a street corner would be more pleasing to God.

amadeus · Jan 20, 2018

pastor marty said:
****1st.saw the Spirit move @ a tent-revival ! Apparently; God goes were the believers are..**<m>**

I attended a few of those myself.

amadeus · Jan 20, 2018

pastor marty said:
*****Oye Veigh ! Ist das nicht ein Schnitzel (somthin ?)******<m>

Nein, mein Freund, das is nur ein Mensch.

amadeus · Jan 20, 2018

FHII said:
the definition of the word itself says the Pastor is the leader. But if you need more look at Romans 13. THis is talking about the minister of God, which a Pastor is.

But, do not forget that a minister is only a servant. He is not the boss. That job belongs to the Head.

FHII · Jan 20, 2018

amadeus said:
But, do not forget that a minister is only a servant. He is not the boss. That job belongs to the Head.

Of course. But the head is Christ; not the people, not the elders amd not the deacon board.

pastor marty · Jan 21, 2018

FHII said:
I did read it. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever unless you have the foolish notion that REAL ministers never execute wrath. You aren't one of those people who believe Men of God must be sweet, harmless wimps, are you?

*******A young man killed another by playing;"toss the pistol around" @ a party;all were stoned and/or drunk;ruled accidental ! I said;"horrible sin";He says;"nah;karma/fate/bad luck !" I gangsta-slapped his teeth loose...<m>*****

pastor marty · Jan 21, 2018

amadeus said:
Nein, mein Freund, das is nur ein Mensch.

******And U R a real "Mensh" & a "mitzvah";Mr. Mozart ! Mazel Tov ! *****<m>******;)

pastor marty · Jan 21, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
Correct. Not by men.

I have seen enough crazy men ordaining other crazy men.

*****Greenwich Village;NYC;1966;Moshe Rabin(Jews 4 Jesus) says;"Boobelah;(kid)ya need ta take yer act on the road; 4real & funny could work 4 ya !"******& the rest is history*******<m>****** :confused

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amadeus · Jan 21, 2018

pastor marty said:
******And U R a real "Mensh" & a "mitzvah";Mr. Mozart ! Mazel Tov ! *****<m>******;)

Give God the glory, my friend!

bbyrd009 · Jan 21, 2018

FHII said:
Of course. But the head is Christ; not the people, not the elders amd not the deacon board.

...when pressed, at least

Triumph1300 · Jan 21, 2018

Yes, the head is Christ, not the people, not the elders, not the deacon board, and not the pope or any other.

Rollo Tamasi · Jan 21, 2018

FHII said:
Of course. But the head is Christ; not the people, not the elders amd not the deacon board.

You are aware that the pastor is an elder?

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