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  1. Mosheli

    Mosheli New Member

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    I find it very hard to love God and to have faith that he will answer prayers and fix the really bad things. Some of the major big reasons I have been finding it hard to love and have faith include: How can I love him and have faith

    - When he keeps allowing me to suffer the ringing sound from the neighbours heat pump which goes all day and night every day and night for over 3 years now and is impossible to block out of ears with plugs because the type of sound it is it penetrates regardless. (No it is definitely real external sound not tinnitis or hallucination.)

    - When he keeps allowing me (and others) to be forced to eat and drink fluoridated water (and food) every mouthful every meal every day for years with me suffering the brain and body ability and health harms and hinderances all day every day. Not only has he not answered my appeals but he allowed them to do the exact opposite and this countries goverment is one of the only countries governments in the world to be pushing mandatory fluoridation even more and more in the last couple of years and present. (No it is not so simple and easy to "get a water filter" as people believe.) (Also when he allows them to spray fruit and vegetables.)

    - When he allows me to have been made now 47 and still always been single (and also some other christian men I know are also old and single). (While he gave Abraham 3 wives, Jacob 4, David 12, Solomon 600, Ahasuerus 2 (and a harem full), Derek Prince 2 or more, etc.)

    - When my historical discoveries all keep getting unfairly/dishonestly denied by "experts" and everyone else no matter how much hard work I put in. That they keep power by using such unfair/untrue cunning "clever" tactics. And when he for so long keeps allowing them to get away with lies that the bible history is not true, and he never defends his own bible.

    - When he allowed me to get put under the mental health act compulsory treatment order and has allowed them to keep me under it for over a year now and allowed them to apply for indefinite period with the psychiatrist having written outright lies in the court report.

    - When many other christians i have seen/heard are also suffering things (though alot of them not as bad things as me), while the evil elite keep getting away when doing evil things. When no christians like disabled or sick with things like cancer are healed. My mother is a believer yet she got lung cancer and then brain cancer etc.

    - When I am stuck trapped in a bad accomodation situation not being able to find a place to shift to because of the "housing crisis" and because prices and rents are too excessively expensive.

    - When I have forever lost so much: I lost 15 years studies notes in a crisis a number of years ago, and it is impossible to ever recover anymuch of what I lost. Being 47 and always-been-single I've forver missed out on young love (20s & 30s) (unless there is marriage in the millenium? But we don't know that for sure and he says the resurrected are like the angels and don't marry?)

    Quite a few more troubles reasons too.

    I know that some people in world & history have suffered some worse things (though not many in the bible seem to have), and that things could be even worse, but things are or have been pretty hell bad enough.

    What James says in James 1 about we can't expect anything from God if we don't have faith without wavering always bothers me and I always keep feeling/wonderin if that is the reason why he hasn't answered for so long and seems as if he may never answer.

    I guess people won't be able to help much, and I know me posting this probably won't help. But maybe someone might know something that could help abit or maybe my own difficulty will help someone else. I have tried reading bible and praying etc but seems not much use if can't have faith and control mouth. Sometimes people make me feel as if it is my fault for supposedly not doing things but I can't see there is very much I can do in my difficult situation.
     
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    Jane_Doe22 Well-Known Member

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    God is not a maid to clean up every mess on demand.

    He is a parent (the divine Father), whom acknowledges His children will have challenges, that people will do horrible things, and to help them work THROUGH those challenges growing these challenges and be refined past anything we can imagine.
     
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    This is spot on. We are God's servants, not the other way around. I am truly sorry to hear about your challenges - however we know that God uses all things for the good of those who love Him according to His purpose.

    Your question "How can I love the Lord?". The answer is because of the cross. There is a day of judgement coming - and we can love the Lord because He has saved us from eternal damnation.

    There is a false gospel going around at the moment that says that God will give you a good, prosperous life, full of love, joy, peace, etc... Jesus did not promise us that this life would be a smooth ride, but the opposite.

    There is a peace to be found in Him going through this trials and tribulations. If the work of the cross is not enough reason to love Jesus, I would encourage you to go back to the cross, and to the fundamentals of the faith because it's about learning to be content and at peace through these things that we find God's grace.

    When Peter walked on the water in the storm, he had his eye's focused on Jesus. When he turned and started looking at the water and waves crashing against him, he began to sink.

    You've listed a lot of attributes of the storm of the life you're currently going through. It is real - but like Peter - there is a peace to be found in that storm. I would encourage you to get your eyes off the storm, and off yourself and onto Him.

    Prayer, scripture and fasting - ask God what He wants through this situation, and seek for His will be done. If that is to remain in the challenging place, and single - ask God to find a place to help you be content and say "Thy will be done".

    (FWIW I don't write this from a place of smooth sailing. Our live has been turned upside down by things I won't go into here - but I praise God for His peace as we go through this storm).
     
  4. Sabertooth

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    Our ability to love God in a meaningful way only happens after God gives us His Holy Spirit (not necessarily when our surroundings are perfect). Have you ever been Born-Again?
     
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  5. Mosheli

    Mosheli New Member

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    Yes I think I have been born again years ago.

    Thanks people for the replies.

    I don't believe prosperty gospel or that things should be great, but I also don't believe that believers should suffer hell on earth. Can't see the point of the cross and his stripes/suffering if only for afterlife and not any here and now, may as well die straight away.
     
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    Jesus said,
    "Peace I leave with you,
    My peace I give to you;
    not as the world gives do I give to you.
    Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
    " John 14:27 NKJV

    and
    "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.
    In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.
    John 16:33 NKJV
     
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    Thanks for your reply, and I'm glad to hear your borne again and don't take the prosperity gospel's view!

    In regards to your statement...

    Christ gives peace, but not through the things of this world - but rather in spite of the things of this world.

    Look at Paul and what he had to suffer, yet Paul had all that Christ had given, and says that he learned to be content in any situation (Phil 4:11). I'm not going to pretend I know what you're going through or how difficult your life is. Each of us have unique trials and some definitely go through much worse than others.

    So with that - I share through my own experiences - and I have seen God completely pull me out of a very dark place - and give me incredible peace and a greater heart for Him - even though in the natural things became significantly worse since - I am in a far better place mentally and spiritually. I had to learn to submit to His will though - and stop having expectations on how this life should be and expecting God to come through to me with my expectations.

    I hope this is of some encouragement.
     
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    All I can say, is trust Him, we all suffer because of mens doings, not God, it isnt God allowing you to suffer it is men, even our own faith. I have a friend who has seeing miracles, yet still her faith is constantly tested, it is nor Gods doing, it is our lack of faith, the fact that mankind had kicked God out of this world and our lives, and that this world has become loveless, which is all a world without God can be. We all suffer, blaming yourself, just gives the keys to the devil. Dont let him in, he loves pity parties and will join any you start.
     
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    This is for everyone. God has not promised us a clear run to heaven devoid of anything and everything that is going to be problematic. If you take a look at Paul who was one of our greatest proponents of the Christian way, he said in 2Cor 11:24 Five times I received forty stripes minus one from the Jews. I was flogged three times; I was stoned once; I was shipwrecked three times; I have spent a night and a day in the deep. I have been in travels often, in dangers of rivers, in dangers of robbers, in dangers from my race, in dangers from the nations, in dangers in the city, in dangers in a wilderness, in dangers in the sea, in dangers among false brothers, in hardship and toil, often in watchings, in hunger and thirst, often in fastings, in cold and nakedness.... Has anyone been through all that yet?

    Paul was a failure according to the prosperity gospel. He didn't have a Rolls Royce. He didn't have a $10 million dollar house. He didn't have a Lear Jet or their equivalents. And he didn't have any money in his bank account. What he did have was a burning desire to spread the good news of the Gospel and build up the new converts regardless of the trials and sufferings that he went through. That was numero uno to him so all the other stuff was, well, other stuff.

    I have a great interest in what is happening in other countries regarding Christianity. In some places, if you leave to go to work in the morning it is no guarantee you will come home at night.

    In some places, you can go out to your fields in the morning to work and when you come home all you will find is your village burnt to the ground and your wife and children dead.

    In some places, you have to flee to a refugee camp because if your enemy sees your face they will kill you.

    In some places, if you are caught worshipping God you are taken and thrown into prison without trial.

    In one country if you are caught reading the bible you will be sent to prison and killed.

    And so on and so on.

    As we get nearer to the second coming of Christ, the trials will increase as will the persecution. If you can't make a stand now for the risen Lord you haven't a hope of making a stand as we near the second coming. The first trial will be the mark of the beast. Are you prepared to have life taken away from you, meaning your ability to buy, sell and provide for your family because you won't have the mark because that is what will happen?

    Peter said in 1Peter 1:6 ...in which you exult; yet a little while, if need be, grieving in manifold trials, so that the proving of your faith, much more precious than perishing gold, but having been proved through fire, may be found to praise and honor and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

    A friend of mine said that you don't mature in your successes. You mature in your trials. If you are wishy-washy perhaps you need a few more trials and put yourself out there and rock Satan's boat. Satan is quite happy for you to be saved and innocuous. It is when you become a fly in the ointment that he gets worried and when he gets worried he will come after you.

    One night when I was patrolling the streets of St. Kilda with Teen Challenge, I exposed him for what he is when I had a verbal exchange with a white witch and 10 minutes later I was attacked.

    If I am not at the receiving end of some problem for being a Christian I get worried. I ask myself "What am I NOT doing?" When the going gets tough, the tough get going. The most important thing to me is that at judgement day I will hear from the Lord "Well done though good and faithful servant. Enter into the joy of the Lord."
     
  10. Mosheli

    Mosheli New Member

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    I'm not happy, I'm miserable.

    Where is the love, mercy, grace, compassion, healing, deliverance, consolation, etc.

    All I ever have/see/hear is trials, tribulation, persecution, etc.

    Christians all seem to like preaching suffering. Yet in past they condemn me for being negative!
    I feel I could almost hate God for not caring about such mean and cruel hell suffering, and hate christianity for loving suffering so much and not love etc. And for being so individualistic.

    I wish I was dead but no hopes of that happening unfortunately.

    Can't bear this hell. I am so alone in hell. How mean to say not test more than can bear but allows to be tested right up to the line of what can't bear.

    I really do not love God for allowing such hell suffering.

    And the "mental health" people haven't fixed anything only made things harder.

    People will be shocked on judgement day when they see hear the truth of how hell bad it has been.
     
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    @Mosheli , have you been evaluated for depression?
     
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    Why would you make a statement like that when you claim to be a Christian? Would you say that same statement to Job? Or to Jeremiah? Or to David? Actually now I think about it, depression and despair was common among all of the Prophets and the Apostles.
     
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    I know depressed Christians. Our bodies are susceptible to illness, just like everybody else.
     
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    Humans have created a living hell as you can rightly see. Why? Because they just want to remain as they are (Brats) Consider that those types of adults are still kids on the inside.
     
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    Are you saying that a psychologist or psychiatrist is more helpful than God?
     
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    Sabertooth Well-Known Member

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    No, but God can use them when appropriate, just like He can use an MD to set a broken bone or a mechanic to fix one's car. Some problems require more than that, but not all of them do. Is that Earth-shattering to you?
     
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    No it is not earth shattering, because I thought exactly the same way as you when I had faith.
     
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    Sabertooth Well-Known Member

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    I am a retired engineer. Some problems men can fix. Other problems, we cannot; only God can. I don't see the issue with my previous posts, or asking the OP if he has been evaluated for depression.

    @Mosheli , if you have depression (and get it addressed effectively), you may find more success in the questions that you are posing here.
     
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    Its more the external situation than the internal mental (depression/etc).

    Yes it is humans who have made this hell on earth for some of us.

    Most people can't help/fix but some could but they won't.
    God could help/fix easy in numerous ways but I don't know why he won't. What am i doing or not doing that he won't?

    "Mental health" services don't help they just force medication. I've tried them number of times and under them compulsory the last year. Going for "help" to "health" regime who force fluoridation seems wrong to me.

    At least it is sunny today, it has been overcast and cold for weeks.
     
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    Proverbs 13:12 (NIV)
    Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life.
     
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