How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?

[Lambano]

What did Jesus say? "He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth."

That argument doesn't work. Matthew reports Jairus as saying his daughter was dead; Mark and Luke have Jairus saying she's close to death. What did Jairus really say?

In any case, "sleep" is a common biblical euphemism for death (see John 11:11, also in the context of the resurrection of the dead Lazarus), the text makes quite clear that the girl really was dead (see Luke 8:53,55), and the lesson here is that Jesus can raise the dead just as easily as waking up a 12-year-old-girl from sleep. Can you believe that, even if Matthew disagrees with Mark and Luke about what Jairus said?

 

[JLB]

We see it all the time on the forum.

Believers with conflicting views present their biblical evidence.
Then an argument ensues about which view is biblical. (they both are)

How can you find the truth when biblically supported views contradict?

Perhaps the problem lies in our insistence that there is only one right answer.

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Please present an example of what you are referring to?

 

[JLB]

While he was saying this, a synagogue leader came and knelt before him and said, “My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live.”
Mt 9:18 - NIV

He pleaded earnestly with him, “My little daughter is dying. Please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live.”
Mk 5:23 - NIV (and he later receives the message that his daughter died)

and begged Him earnestly, saying, “My little daughter lies at the point of death. Come and lay Your hands on her, that she may be healed, and she will live.” Mark 5:23 NKJV


While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.” Matthew 9:18 NKJV



Here is the common phrase that is found in both accounts, no matter what Mark heard or what Matthew heard, we know this to be true of both accounts.

• lay Your hands on her, and she will live… Mark
• but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live… Matthew

Can we please agree that by Jesus going to her and laying His hands on her she lived.

 

[HealthyShape]

and begged Him earnestly, saying, “My little daughter lies at the point of death. Come and lay Your hands on her, that she may be healed, and she will live.” Mark 5:23 NKJV


While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.” Matthew 9:18 NKJV



Here is the common phrase that is found in both accounts, no matter what Mark heard or what Matthew heard, we know this to be true of both accounts.

• lay Your hands on her, and she will live… Mark
• but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live… Matthew

Can we please agree that by Jesus going to her and laying His hands on her she lived.

I am not sure what you are trying to say.

 

[JohnDB]

When people get involved with theology....
There always exist too much of people reading scripture to prove that God loves them more than others because of their own personal, customary behavior.....even if it's what side they open of a soft boiled egg.

It's hubris, pride, and junk. It's showing up to the antique road show with your special antique thinking that it's going to be worth millions just to find out it's a piece of worthless junk that's collected dust forever.

The truth is ALWAYS highly heavily nuanced.
Lies are simple and flat.

Meaning, theologies like OSAS, unless heavily nuanced to the point that the acronym really does not accurately describe the security of the believer and/or security of heaven for those who believe, are incorrect.

That's why God is the Judge of all the earth.

Then.......

What this points to is another fifty cent word called "Paradox".

A paradox is where two true statements of fact that seem to be in conflict or opposing are both true at the same time.
Two people can't occupy the same physical place at the same time....but....we believe "Christ in me". Obviously a paradoxical statement.

Then there's contradictory statements in scriptures. In the gospel accounts in the initial "Sending of the 12" there exists another paradox. We read it in Matthew and see that they are given power BUT they are not to take ANYTHING with them. Not even a purse. Definitely not a staff. But then we read in Mark the same account where instructed to take nothing EXCEPT a staff. And this is a paradox. But Mark is Peter's tales....and a staff is signifying leadership. And Peter was the leader of the Apostles....so it stands to reason why Peter was told to carry a staff.

But people like to argue.

 

[St. SteVen]

Please present an example of what you are referring to?

It is rampant on the forum.
But a quick search yielded this.

How to know what is biblical ? And what read is according to what God's will says it ?

I was talking to some brothers and they talk about what is biblical and how to discern biblical material. Some can't tell what is biblical because some say it based solely on the truth but others say that truth from the world. Like saying material and real world standards ? Others on what the...

www.christianityboard.com

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[Behold]

Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap. I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?" The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come? To be clear, I love the Bible and use...

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Nonsense.

So..... if you Love the Lord, you will love the Bible because He is in there.......those are His words.

Whereas If you are religious, and have believed a false gospel... and want to fight about nothing that actually matters as your reason to be on the forium everyday..., then of course, you'll find your reasons to continue to try to prove the bible has issues, while you pretend you "love it'.
God knows your heart, and we see your fruit @St. SteVen .

 

[JLB]

I am not sure what you are trying to say.

Im asking a question.

Can we please agree that by Jesus going to her and laying His hands on her she lived.


Here is the common phrase that is found in both accounts, no matter what Mark heard or what Matthew heard, we know this to be true of both accounts.

• lay Your hands on her, and she will live… Mark
• but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live… Matthew

 

[JLB]

It is rampant on the forum.
But a quick search yielded this.

How to know what is biblical ? And what read is according to what God's will says it ?

I was talking to some brothers and they talk about what is biblical and how to discern biblical material. Some can't tell what is biblical because some say it based solely on the truth but others say that truth from the world. Like saying material and real world standards ? Others on what the...

www.christianityboard.com

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Can we please agree that by Jesus going to her and laying His hands on her she lived.


Here is the common phrase that is found in both accounts, no matter what Mark heard or what Matthew heard, we know this to be true of both accounts.

• lay Your hands on her, and she will live… Mark
• but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live… Matthew

 

[St. SteVen]

Can we please agree that by Jesus going to her and laying His hands on her she lived.

Absolutely.
Can you also acknowledge that there is a difference in the accounts about whether she was dead or dying?

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[Jack]

Absolutely.
Can you also acknowledge that there is a difference in the accounts about whether she was dead or dying?

Difference does not mean contradiction as you are implying.

 

[ScottA]

I guess you are the only one who considers such explanations sensible. That is maybe good enough for your private life, but not good enough for public forums.

Woe to the hypocrites who study the scriptures but do not see themselves repeating the folly of ages past when the words of God came by those sent and they rejected, ridiculed, and killed them; who have not learned, but continue to quench the Spirit with their practices, and things approved by men; who hinder those of their own generation; who have heard the warnings, but think better of themselves than those who fell by the same actions--for they shall receive the same.

Oh, if they had only taken to heart all that was given to them in greater measure than all who ever went before!

Amen.

 

[St. SteVen]

Woe to the hypocrites who study the scriptures but do not see themselves repeating the folly of ages past when the words of God came by those sent and they rejected, ridiculed, and killed them; who have not learned, but continue to quench the Spirit with their practices, and things approved by men; who hinder those of their own generation; who have heard the warnings, but think better of themselves than those who fell by the same actions--for they shall receive the same.

Oh, if they had only taken to heart all that was given to them in greater measure than all who ever went before!

Amen.

Hit the brakes Scott.
Please find a better way to encourage the church to good works.
I love you.

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[Behold]

Please find a better way to encourage the church to good works.

And exactly how are you ""encouraging the church"" on this forum.. when you cast your endless doubts on the Bible for 2 yrs here, and also teach a demonic Gospel, that teaches that you dont have to be born again again on earth to go to Heaven".. @St. SteVen ?

Wake up.
Hebrews 9:27 is coming.
Time to stop playing your religious games here.

 

[ScottA]

Hit the brakes Scott.
Please find a better way to encourage the church to good works.
I love you.

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Oh, you mean like:

Pause and wonder!
Blind yourselves and be blind!
They are drunk, but not with wine;
They stagger, but not with intoxicating drink.
For the Lord has poured out on you
The spirit of deep sleep,
And has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets;
And He has covered your heads, namely, the seers.

Or:

“Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
And honor Me with their lips,
But have removed their hearts far from Me,
And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,
Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work
Among this people,
A marvelous work and a wonder;
For the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
And the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden?”

 

[Jack]

And exactly how are you ""encouraging the church"" on this forum.. when you cast your endless doubts on the Bible for 2 yrs here, and also teach a demonic Gospel, that teaches that you dont have to be born again again on earth to go to Heaven".. @St. SteVen ?

Wake up.
Hebrews 9:27 is coming.
Time to stop playing your religious games here.

His Bible attacks are so GLARING and it doesn't seem to bother him at all!

I truly believe this describes those like stevie:

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

 

[rwb]

Oh mine, so many issues, here... and quite a bit of hysteria/anxiety?

Yes, I do so get my dander up when folks claim the Word of God contains contradiction! So I'll say again if your Bible seems to be contradictive, it could be a lack of understanding on your part, or perhaps failure of the particular translators translating with natural human biases.

 

[rwb]

Who wrote the Bible then? (Men. I agree)

Perhaps that's why you would believe the Bible contradicts itself! It was not merely men to write the Word of God. It was inspired holy men of God who wrote under the inspiration of God in them! It's true translations are the product of men, and especially among the plethora of so-called modern version Bibles, men have allowed their biases to guide their particular translation. That's likely why some believe there are contradictions.

2 Peter 1:21 (KJV) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[rwb]

That argument doesn't work. Matthew reports Jairus as saying his daughter was dead; Mark and Luke have Jairus saying she's close to death. What did Jairus really say?

In any case, "sleep" is a common biblical euphemism for death, the text makes quite clear that the girl really was dead (see Luke 8:53,55), and the lesson here is that Jesus can raise the dead just as easily as waking up a 12-year-old-girl from sleep. Can you believe that, even if Matthew disagrees with Mark and Luke about what Jairus said?

As I've argued from the start there are no contradictions in the account written of Jarius and his daughter.

 

[rwb]

Absolutely.
Can you also acknowledge that there is a difference in the accounts about whether she was dead or dying?

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Difference in the wording and explanation yes, contradictions between them NO!