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What do we think all of the mighty works of God are revealing to us in these last of days before Christ returns? There is not a single tornado, earthquake, hurricane, storm, sunamie, flood, volcano, plague, virus, ruler, war or destruction of a nation etc.... without God's allowing it, just as the plagues of Egypt were the mighty works of God to warn and prove His Sovereignty of the earth.Joshua David said:I was just curious to know what people thought as to how close we were to the seven year tribulation? I just wanted to say, I didn't really want to turn this thread into a does a seven year tribulation exist vs does not exist thread. If you don't believe in it, great, vote you don't believe in it and move on, or start another thread on why you don't believe in it.
Joshua David
My peoples, hear the Word of The Living God!... All peoples of the earth, hear the voice of your maker: You have all entered in!... The Day is here, and you have entered in!... THE DAY OF THE LORD!afaithfulone4u said:What do we think all of the mighty works of God are revealing to us in these last of days before Christ returns? There is not a single tornado, earthquake, hurricane, storm, sunamie, flood, volcano, plague, virus, ruler, war or destruction of a nation etc.... without God's allowing it, just as the plagues of Egypt were the mighty works of God to warn and prove His Sovereignty of the earth.
The heavens and the earth are being shaken and we are seeing the great falling away of those who claim to have faith in their God.. who are going and standing in line with the lost in fear and for provision's and protection or joining with other religions for prayer as IF their no gods may bring some good fortune their way, all the while praying to the Almighty as if He would join such a circus to perform with no gods of unbelievers.
Ps 111:7
7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
KJV
They have some good weed in Africa. I know, I've been there twice and smoked it until I couldn't see straight.Brothertom said:On September 26th, 2012, I travelled to Asmara, Eritrea, North Africa: & witnessed the pillars of fire the false prophet witch called down, & soon after I witnessed Osama Bin Laden, the Anti-Christ, risen from the dead....[ twice ] .[ after about a year & a half in the sea...].
I saw the pillars of fire three times, & Osama Bin Laden twice. I prophesied to them; They would get the world, but not all of it...for there would be a remnant here when Jesus returns, & that Jesus was Lord, & that their end would be the Lake of Fire.
I was delivered from their wrath through 4 countries, & 2 U.S. Embassies, yet I was delivered. God was around me, & I knew it not....even into Jerusalem. I could not be hurt.
If Osama Bin Laden rose from the dead on Sept. 26th, 2012...then the 7 year reign of terror he supervises could have begun. The midway point of the 7 years is 1260 days...& from that date, we have March 9th, 2016...as the beginning of his power, & also the anointing of the two witnesses.
"The Last Decade 2010 to 2019 | the Math of Eclipses - Five Doves
www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/luisv1217.htmCached
"This will make the Total Solar Eclipse of [Mar 9, 2016] the center Focal ... Is this then the year of the revealing of who the Anti-Christ will be?"
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That's nuts, bro. "2520 = 7 X 360 / 365.35 = 6.899 years"?! Every time I see this garbage I want to scream! There's NO SUCH THING as a "360-day prophetic year!" Stop using it!that_prophet said:Subject: 2020 VISION = the end of the world (Mat 24:33)
2020 VISION of the end of the world, as stated in (Mat 24:3) MUST happen before 2020
This is a mistranslation, as they ment to say end of the age, as in the age of Christianity
Please help get this 2020 Vision out to the world = this end time generation is soon coming to pass
I have the most awesome news to get out to this world. News about how we can be assured of God’s return before the year 2020 starts? That’s right, I can explain and prove by logic and Scripture verses that the Bible assures us in that all who are born again, (Joh 3:3) are promised to “meet the Lord in the air” (I Thes 4:17), to remove His Saints in the (Tit 2:13) “blessed hope” at the end of the first Door= end of Age of Christianity. http://my2020vision.yolasite.com/
We may put our trust in the Bible, for although His Word assures us in (Mat 24:36) “that day and hour knoweth no man”, in (Mat 24:33) He not only assures us, but states it as a command, that we will “know that it is near, even at the doors”. You might ask how are we suppose to know that it is near, and what is the door that we are commanded to know. If you believe in the pre-trib Rapture, (like I do) it MUST happen prior the first door=(deadline for His Appearance in the clouds). These are dates that we are not allowed to know about, but in the original Greek, it is worded like a command. His first Door is to rescue His own,(Rapture of the Saints) and then again a little more than seven Hebrew years later, at the end of the tribulation. (His Glorious Appearance)
We are given all the facts and figures to calculate these doors=(deadlines). We are given the date of the start of the final generation. It started when Israel took control of Jerusalem, we can know this because the seventy weeks of Daniels 9:24 also concerned Jerusalem= (holy city).
If you take June 10th as the latest date for taking control of Jerusalem.
And then add 51.6 years for a generation then you get June 10 = day 161/365.25 = 0.441.
So the last day of the war = meaning Jerusalem was surely in Israeli control by 1967.441.
If you take 1967.441 + 51.6 = 2019.041 = last day that Christ can return for His Saints in the Rapture,
and still be able to fulfill the prophecy about this generation shall not pass.
0.041 * 365 = 15 days = Jan 15, 2019 is the last date for Christ to rapture His Church.
This is at the beginning of the 7 years of tribulation
And if you add 6.9 years for the 2520 day duration of the tribulation
2520 = 7 X 360 / 365.25 = 6.899 solar years
2019.041 + 6.899 = 2025.94 or Dec 8th is the latest time for the second door, which is His Glorious Appearance.
So, we are told that no one knows the day or hour, but we are assured that we may know the doors. Where the first door is Jan 15, 2019 when the rapture must occur, which ends the Christian age, when Christ comes to rescue all who are born again. Then by adding 2520 days we can get the second door, Dec 8, 2025 is the date that Christ must come back by, and sets His Feet on the earth to judge the nations.
joe
Agreed.jdbrown said:Joshua David,
Your poll is missing another possible option.
The seven year tribulation has already taken place.
You both have the right idea that this was about "those in Judaea" or in Judah or Y'hudah, but you have the timing completely off. Think BROADER!Pilgrimer said:Agreed.
The “time of Jacob’s trouble,” (Jacob = Israel) also called the time of “great tribulation” when Jesus warned those “in Judaea” to flee because of what was coming upon that nation, began in 66 A.D. and ended in 73 A.D., lasting 7 years, the final 70th “week” of years for the Jewish people, according to Daniel, and now an historical fact.
During that last 7 years of Old Covenant worship, in the “midst” of that period, or 3 ½ years (1260 days) after the war began, in 70 A.D., the sacrifice and oblation ceased and the city and the sanctuary were destroyed. Jesus’ sacrifice had fulfilled what all those old earthly types and shadows had symbolized and having been fulfilled they all passed away.
Students who are unfamiliar with the Mosaic Law and what it foretold would come upon Israel in the last days of the Old Covenant age do not understand all the seemingly strange and exotic imagery that is used in the Revelation to depict these events, and so they come up with their own explanation of what these things all mean.
But the truth is these events were all depicting, from the spiritual aspect, the Old Covenant age coming to a violent and bloody end and the New Covenant age and the Gospel of Jesus Christ triumphing over sin and death and all the power of the enemy.
It is perhaps easy to excuse ignorance of the Mosaic Law as the well-spring of these rather fantastic prophecies and imagery, but it is less easy to excuse such obstinate refusal to acknowledge the victory and power of the Cross of Jesus Christ.
A Servant of the Triumphant, Glorified, All-Powerful Christ …
Pilgrimer
Retrobyter: You don't get it. All there is is the 360 day yearly Calender, when referring to Bible prophesy.Retrobyter said:Shalom, Joe.
That's nuts, bro. "2520 = 7 X 360 / 365.35 = 6.899 years"?! Every time I see this garbage I want to scream! There's NO SUCH THING as a "360-day prophetic year!" Stop using it!
No, sir! It's YOU who aren't getting it! I don't care WHICH calendar you use, ALL of them have some method of a "leap" correction! There are 365.2422 days per EXACTLY EVERY year! Whether you have a leap-DAY every fourth year or a leap-MONTH every so often MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! The "leap correction" corrects for the offset!Brothertom said:Retrobyter: You don't get it. All there is is the 360 day yearly Calender, when referring to Bible prophesy.
360-Day-Prophetic-Year
"There is conclusive evidence to show that the prophetic year of Scripture is composed of 360 days, or twelve months of 30 days.
The first argument is historical. According to the Genesis record, the Flood began on the seventeenth day of the second month (7:11), and came to an end on the seventeenth day of the seventh month (8:4). Now, this is a period of exactly five months, and fortunately the length of the same period is given in terms of days-“an hundred and fifty days” (7:24; 8:3). Thus the earliest known month used in Biblical history was evidently thirty days in length, and twelve such months would give us a 360-day year.
The second argument is prophetical…Dan. 9:27 mentions a period of Jewish persecution….Since this persecution begins in the “midst” of the Seventieth Week and continues to the “end” of the Week, the period is obviously three and one-half years.
Dan: 7:24-25 speaks of the same Roman Prince and the same persecution fixing the duration as “a time and times and the dividing of time”-in the Aramaic, three and a half times. Rev. 13:4-7 speaks of the same great political Ruler and his persecution of the Jewish “saints” lasting “forty and two months.” Rev. 12:13-14 refers to the same persecution, stating the duration in the exact terms of Dan. 7:25 as “a time and times and half a time”; and this period is further defined in Rev. 12:6 as ”a thousand two hundred and three score days.”
Thus we have the same period of time variously stated as 3 ½ years, 42 months, or 1260 days. Therefore, it is clear that the length of the year in the Seventy Weeks prophecy is fixed by Scripture itself as exactly 360 days."
http://jewishroots.net/library/prophecy/daniel/daniel-9-24-27/360-day-prophetic-year.html
The Lord Himself designed His calender, that incorporates the day, the month, & the year. The Gregorian Calender simply divides the year into 365 days + one on leap year. All prophecy in the Bible is based on the Holy Calender of God.
Background and History
The Jewish calendar is based on three astronomical phenomena: the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day); the revolution of the moon about the Earth (a month); and the revolution of the Earth about the sun (a year). These three phenomena are independent of each other, so there is no direct correlation between them. On average, the moon revolves around the Earth in about 29½ days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365¼ days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months.
The civil calendar used by most of the world has abandoned any correlation between the moon cycles and the month, arbitrarily setting the length of months to 28, 30 or 31 days.
The Jewish calendar, however, coordinates all three of these astronomical phenomena. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the 29½-day lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle."
http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm
Calm down & admit you were wrong.
That’s one explanation perhaps, but I don’t think it’s a very good one.Retrobyter said:First of all, the first half of the seventieth Seven (from Dani'el 9) was fulfilled in the "ministry" (the offer of the Kingdom) of Yeshua` (Jesus). From the time of His baptism by Yochanan the Immerser until His death on the cross, Yeshua` offered the Kingdom to Isra'el for 3 1/2 years.
That generation of Y'hudah's elders rejected their King (the King of the Jews) and crucified Him instead. So, Yeshua` HIMSELF broke the 70th Seven in half and fulfilled Dani'el 9:27.
Daniel 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
Matthew 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (quoted from Psalm 118:26)
KJV
Psalm 118:22-26
22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
23 This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
25 Save now (Howshiy`aah naa' transliterated into Greek as "hosanna"), I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD (Baaruwkh habaa' bsheem YHWH): we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.
KJV
Thus, the household of Yerushalayim, the capital city of Y'hudah, was left desolate and has remained so, not fully in the hands of Isra'el until they can say "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the LORD." The Hebrew phrase so rendered, "Baaruwkh habaa' bsheem YHWH," literally translates to "Welcome, the-Comer in-Name (or in-the-Authority) of-YHWH," welcoming the Messiah back again.
This effectively SPLIT the seventieth Seven in half, and the second half will not be fulfilled until He returns. We are currently IN the time of Ya`aqov's trouble and have been since HE split it! The first and greatest effect for the Jewish people was the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in and around 70 A.D. 40 years later, but it was FAR from over in 73 A.D! They have been hounded, persecuted, and killed since then EVERYWHERE they've gone since then for almost 2,000 years! The two halves of the seventieth Seven are like BOOKENDS to the time of Ya`aqov's trouble, the "tribulation" (Greek: thlipsis meaning "pressure" or "oppression").
Also, there’s a problem with that interpretation of Daniel 9:27 you sketched out. It states that the sacrifice and oblation would cease in the middle of this 7 year period. That didn’t happen at the end of Jesus’ ministry, the sacrifice and oblation continued for another 40 years. It ceased when the city and sanctuary were destroyed. And all of that happened in 70 A.D., in the middle of the 7-year war which brought the Jewish state and the Levitical economy to an end.
Why are you sighing? Just understand that one CANNOT use a 360-day year! It is neither the Jewish calendar year nor is it a "prophetic year!" It's a FARCE! THERE'S NO SUCH THING! It might be convenient for those who are mathematically challenged, but it is WRONG!Brothertom said:Sigh.
Actually, it’s about what God’s Word says, and what the Word of God says is that in the days of the coming of Messiah, in the middle of a 7-year period, the sacrifice and oblation would cease and the city and sanctuary would be destroyed.Retrobyter said:YOU have a problem! It doesn't matter what PEOPLE do, regarding making a sacrifice; it's all about GOD and how HE reacts to a sacrifice!
I have been thinking about the Daily Sacrifice being taken away in the midst of the covenant, as prophesied in Daniel.Brothertom said:I arrived in Asmara, Eritrea, North Africa on September 26th, Yom Kippur, 2012:
This is the exact date that the 7 year period of Daniel began.
This is the date that Osama Bin Laden rose from the Red Sea after 17 months buried under her waters.
Over a period of a few days, I witnessed meeting him eye to eye twice. Very tall, 6'5'', & very thin. His eyes are as if an animal lives within. I also witnessed huge pillars of fire resting on the Earth & swirling on the bare ground, as high as an Oak tree, 3 different times, on three different nights. He had no wound that I could see. It looked like there may have been a little make-up there...he had a hood on a grey flannel Mahdi Muslim Holy man garb. All of the men around him called him "THE MAHDI".
I also met the sorcerer who did this, who accompanies Bin Laden. These are the Anti-Christ, & the False Prophet, spoken of in the book of Revelation.
I was pursued through 4 countries by them, & a group of Taliban body-guards w/them, ending in Israel. They had me but could not take me....It was the most stressful time of my life, as I stood alone against many murderers...& I do not know how, but I stood, & did not break. It was extremely Sovereign....& I never knew it until it was over.
I had the nerve to prophesy to them. I told them that they would get the World, but not all of it.
"It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
[SIZE=.75em] [/SIZE]All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
The reason they will not get all of it, is that there will yet be a remnant here when Jesus returns: The elect.
"So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
[SIZE=.75em] [/SIZE]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
There will yet be a remnant. Who is this pursuer? He is the one with a wound to the head, assassinated, with the most public death in the History of the World! Zero-Dark-Thirty himself.
"The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if .........it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed.
And all the world marveled and followed the beast. [SIZE=.75em] [/SIZE]So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
He is now visiting World Leaders & Muslim Leaders revealing himself as the 12th Mahdi, who fell down a water-hole well long ago! The Muslim Savior
CHRISTIAN ANTICHRIST SHOCKINGLY RESEMBLES MUSLIM ‘SAVIOR’ (AKA: MAHDI)
http://realityofchrist.me/2013/02/21/christian-antichrist-shockingly-resembles-muslim-savior-aka-mahdi/
I also prophesied about the absolute Lord-ship of Jesus of Nazareth, & that in the end, they would be cast into the burning Lake of fire forever & ever to burn.
I also had the nerve to tell them that they could have me, but not now.
Forty-Two months. 1260 days after Yom Kippur, 2012, is March 9th, 2016. On this exact day there will be:
1.] An Important Solar Eclipse.
The Last Decade 2010 to 2019 | the Math of Eclipses - The 5 Doves
www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/luisv1217.htm
" This will make the Total Solar Eclipse of [Mar 9, 2016] the center Focal... Is this then the year of the revealing of who the Anti-Christ will be?"
2.] The beginning of a war on American soil that will result in her total defeat & occupation, & an eventual Tyranny of Sharia Law...where anyone who will not confess that allah is Jehovah, & Mohammed His only prophet will be killed...mostly be-headed.
3.] The Satanic power anointing given to Bin Laden, possessed by Allah, the Prince of Persia, himself.
The False Prophet/Sorcerer anointed to do miracles so powerful that statues will speak to men, deceiving multitudes to worship the Anti-Christ as the Savior God.
4.] The Two Witnesses of Revelation will also be anointed on that exact day, immortal for that 42 month period, to turn waters into blood, cause the rain to stop wherever they choose, & bring cursed plagues upon men...while exalting the Lordship of Jesus, all over the Earth.
5.] On August 21, 2019, their ministry will end with their beheading in Jerusalem, & on August 24-5, 2019...They will rise from their dead bodies to new ones publicly. It is here that the Jews there will know, when they witness these, rise that indeed Jesus is Jahweh Messiah, & they will mourn for Him..& receive Him.
[SIZE=.75em] "[/SIZE]It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."
Mourning for the Pierced One
[SIZE=.75em]10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [/SIZE][SIZE=.75em] In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[/SIZE]
There remains time. a 45 day period & a 30 day period. I'm thinking close to Yom Kippur 2019...but I am not sure...but think I'm close.
I am not looking for followers, recognition, fame or money: I am called to publish His word, & for those of you who wish to peruse...
http://brideinthewilderness.blogspot.com/
You will know a prophet has been among you if what he says comes to pass. I have been specific.....& I cannot blame you for rejecting this word....If any of it is a lie...it all is...
This is my testimony, my witness.....Tom Watkins
That's just not true.Retrobyter said:Shabbat shalom, Brothertom.
No. That doesn't work. NO prophecy has a "dual fulfillment." That's confusion pure and simple. If there were such a thing, how would you know when the prophecy had been fulfilled?! A prophecy ONLY has force if it has a definite, one-time-only fulfillment. Otherwise, all you have are the ramblings of a Nostradamus or a Jeanne Dixon!
Well, sir, you would HAVE to say that in order to use the prophecy that was FULFILLED by Antiochus Epiphanes for the Antichrist, too!veteran said:That's just not true.
Some see a partial fulfillment of prophecy while some parameters are still lacking, and then say that prophecy was fulfilled. But it really is not completed yet, and that's all.
Such is the case when Jesus proclaimed the coming of a false one to Jerusalem to place the "abomination of desolation" within the temple (Matt.24; Mark 13). He gave that from the Book of Daniel after one named Antiochus Epiphanes had previously in 165 B.C. took Jerusalem and setup an abomination inside the temple in Jerusalem with his acts outlining the Daniel prophecy, but not completing it.