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How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Joshua David, May 30, 2011.

  1. The seven year tribulation will happen within the next 10 years.

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  2. The seven year Tribulation could happen within the next 50 years but will probably not happen within

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  3. The seven year Tribulation has already started

    18.4%
  4. The seven year Tribulation will happen, but I don't think it will happen in the next 50 years.

    7.9%
  5. I don't believe in the seven year tribulation.

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  1. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shalom, veteran.

    What we all need to understand is that "at the time of the end" does NOT mean "at the end of time!" As you read, when you come to such a phrase, ask yourself, "What does "at the time of the end" mean?" "At the end OF WHAT?" "What does the CONTEXT say?"

    Let's look again at this passage of Scripture:

    Daniel 8:1-27
    1 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.
    2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
    3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.
    4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
    5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
    6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had there seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
    7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
    8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
    9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
    10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
    13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
    14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
    15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
    16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
    17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
    18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
    19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
    20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
    21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
    22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
    23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
    24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
    25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
    26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
    27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
    KJV

    An alternate version I like to use is the Complete Jewish Bible:


    Daniel 8:1-27
    8:1 After that first vision, it was in the third year of the reign of King Belshatzar that another vision appeared to me, Dani’el. 2 I looked into the vision; and as I looked, I found myself in Shushan the capital, in the province of ‘Eilam. I looked into the vision, and I was by the Ulai canal. 3 I looked up; and as I watched, there in front of the stream stood a ram with two horns. The horns were long, but one was longer than the other, and the longer one came up later [than the other]. 4 I saw the ram pushing to the west, north and south; and no animals could stand up against it; nor was there anyone that could rescue from its power. So it did as it pleased and became very strong.

    5 I was beginning to understand, when a male goat came from the west, passing over the whole earth without touching the ground. The goat had a prominent horn between its eyes. 6 It approached the ram with the two horns, which I had seen standing in front of the river, and charged it with savage force. 7 I watched as it advanced on the ram, filled with rage against it, and struck the ram, breaking its two horns. The ram was powerless to stand against it. It threw the ram to the ground and trampled it down, and there was no one that could rescue it from the goat’s power. 8 The male goat then became extremely strong; but when it was strong, the big horn was broken; and in its place arose what appeared to be four horns in the directions of the four winds of heaven. 9 Out of one of them came a little horn which grew extremely big in the directions of the south and east, and in the direction of the Glory. 10 It grew so great that it reached the army of heaven; it hurled some of the army and the stars to the ground and trampled on them. 11 Yes, it even considered itself as great as the prince of the army; the regular burnt offering was taken away from him, and the place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 Through sin, the army was put in its power, along with the regular burnt offering. It flung truth on the ground as it acted and prospered.

    13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the speaker, “How long will the events of the vision last, this vision concerning the regular offering and the transgression which is so appalling, that allows the sanctuary and the army to be trampled underfoot?” 14 The first said to me, “Two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings, after which the sanctuary will be restored to its rightful state.”

    15 After I, Dani’el, had seen the vision and was trying to understand it, suddenly there stood in front of me someone who appeared to be a man. 16 I heard a human voice calling from between the banks of the Ulai, “Gavri’el, make this man understand the vision!” 17 He came up to where I was standing, and his approach so terrified me that I fell on my face. But he said to me, “Human being! Understand that the vision refers to the time of the end.” 18 As he was speaking with me, I fell into a deep sleep, with my face toward the ground; but he touched me, set me on my feet, 19 and said, “I am going to explain to you what will happen at the end of the period of fury, because [the vision] has to do with the time at the end. 20 You saw a ram with two horns which are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy male goat is the king of Greece, and the prominent horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 As for the horn that broke and the four which rose up in its place, four kingdoms will arise out of this nation, but not with the power the first king had. 23 In the latter part of their reign, when the evildoers have become as evil as possible, there will arise an arrogant king skilled in intrigue. 24 His power will be great, but not with the power the first king had. He will be amazingly destructive, he will succeed in whatever he does, and he will destroy the mighty and the holy ones. 25 He will succeed through craftiness and deceit, become swelled with pride, and destroy many people just when they feel the most secure. He will even challenge the prince of princes; but, without human intervention, he will be broken. 26 The vision of the evenings and mornings which has been told is true; but you are to keep the vision secret, because it is about days in the distant future.”

    27 I, Dani’el, grew weak and was ill for some days. Then I got up and took care of the king’s affairs; but I was appalled at the vision and still couldn’t understand it.
    CJB


    In both versions, it should be clear from both the prophecy and the interpretation of the prophecy that this is about the end of the Persian Empire's rule over Isra'el and the Macedonian-Seleucid Empire's rule over Isra'el. It WAS "distant future" to Dani'el, even though to us, it is "distant past!" The "little horn" is Antiochus IV 'Epiphanes', not some "antichrist" figure that's supposed to be in OUR future!

    Be careful with what it SEEMS to say and check into it to be sure you're on the right path!
     
  2. SelectThis!

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    This is when the countdown started as the Book of Danial stated. In fact in 1900's many have heard the Lord Jesus say, I am coming soon.

    Not only gaining back the knowledge of the Word, but technology also since the 1900's has come to a peak. From our first powered flight, to 30 years later jet airplanes. Thousands of years passed before with no such advancements.

    Seal this up.................. The Lord said.

    It's not a mystery, the seal is opened and men gained the ability to run back and fourth at greater speed.
     
  4. veteran

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    The reason we can 'know' the time of the end does mean the end of this world is because of the direct parallels Jesus gave from those Daniel Scriptures for the very end of this world, Scripture that I have continually quoted to you, but for some reason you still want to reject in favor of... what?

    There's good reason why Christ would show Apostle John those beast images of Daniel when He gave His Book of Revelation; likewise with the Rev.17 reference to those ten horns or ten kings again, which is from the Book of Daniel. So if you want to argue 'context' in Daniel, you cannot just pass this point up or act like it does not exist.
     
  5. MichaelH

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    March 14th? Be nice to get at least a e-mail when major events take place. I guess I missed this one.........

    So, there is no Son of Perdition or end time bad guy? Is this a Preterist view? You posted a whole bunch of scriptures and left everyone to read and come to your conclusion, but without expounding on the verses then it's very hard to see how you arrived at such a conclusion.
     
  6. Giver

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    [SIZE=large]My witness is that Jesus personally told me we are in the End Times Tribulation. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=large]Two years ago Jesus told me who was the End Time Anti-Christ.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=large]I don’t share this information publicly, because no one would believe me unless God has also told him or her. If they have been told then I don’t need to tell them. [/SIZE]
     
  7. Dan57

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    That's true.... I'm 57 yrs old and have been hearing that we are in the end times since I was in grade school. Since nothings happened in nearly 50 years, I more-less let all predictions go in one ear and out the other now. I no longer think it will happen in my lifetime, so its essentially a moot topic for me. How long will it be? My wild guess would be 120 to 1000 years from now. jmo
     
  8. Giver

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    [SIZE=large]Yes I understand your doubt. Peter, and Paul thought the End Time would be in their lifetime.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=large]I am sharing only what I believe Jesus has been telling me. But have learned that Jesus’ time is not understood by me.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=large]I have had visions and words from God in regards to the End. Yet I am human and will not always interpret everything Jesus tells me correctly. [/SIZE]

    [SIZE=large]Before Jesus started telling me about what was to come soon, I always though it did not matter when the End Time came. The end time comes when one dies, and that can be at any moment. So what is the big deal?[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=large]Now I believe it truly only matters to those who have to live in those days, and believe we are the ones doing so.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=large]In the end one can only be sure of anything if Jesus personally tells him or her. In fact people should not believe anything unless Jesus tells them it is right. [/SIZE]
     
  9. veteran

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    I have no doubt as to the times we're in today. We are already in the last generation, but the time of the 'great tribulation' is not yet.

    The "generation" Christ mentioned in Matt.24 that would see all those signs of the end He gave is tied to His command for us to LEARN a parable of a fig tree. That means go back and study God's Word about the idea of figs and the fig tree applied to peoples. One of the most important points with this is given in Jer.24:

    Jer 24:1-10
    1 The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.
    2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.


    God showed Jeremiah a vision of two separate baskets of figs. It is specifically about the house of Judah that was carried captive to Babylon by king Nebuchadnezzar for 70 years. The ten tribes of the house of Israel were already scattered beforehand and were not part of this group involving Judah.

    One basket had very good figs. But the other basket had "very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad." We know real figs aren't evil ("naughty"). The KJV translators used this word 'naughty' instead of bad because God later on reveals He was using the bad figs to represent a certain evil people.

    3 Then said the LORD unto me, "What seest thou, Jeremiah?" And I said, "Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil."

    God makes sure Jeremiah understands what he sees, good edible figs vs. rotten or unedible figs.

    4 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    5 "Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.


    Just as God's chosen among the house of Judah as the "good figs" would go captive to Babylon, likewise these bad figs would go into captivity with them. So right off the bat God is distinguishing between 2 peoples that dwelt in Jerusalem-Judea when Nebuchadnezzar came to conquer it and take them to Babylon. That's where the "land of the Chaldeans" was, i.e., Babylon to the north (where Iraq is today).

    This is where it's really important to understand your Bible history. At this time of Jeremiah the ten tribes had already been removed out of the land and only the house of Judah in the south at Judea was left (see 1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 18). At this point the house of Judah was made up of three tribes only, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Among them included foreigners that lived with them in Judah's lands. The history of who those foreigners not born of Israel goes all the way back to the Canaanite left-overs that were allowed to dwell among Israel (see Judges 2 & 3). It also included foreigners of Canaanites and from Tyre that helped building Solomon's temple (see 1 Kings 9). Many of these would be the Nethinims and priests of Ezra 2 that returned with some of Judah after this captivity from Babylon later on.

    6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.

    Which basket is God speaking of here mainly? His chosen ones of the house of Judah, not their Canaanite servants. This prophecy is very specific to history of the house of Judah. This is where the parable of a fig tree links. A fig tree is planted by setting out a shoot, not a seed. When did God do this with the remnant of the house of Judah in Jerusalem?

    Some will say this only applies to the time after Judah's 70 years captivity to Babylon, when a small remnant of them returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and walls, and then a second temple. But all... of the parameters must be fulfilled, and their return would only represent their planting and not their never removed again and not their being pulled down again.

    So, has Judah been removed from Judea later after this planting from the 70 years Babylon captivity, i.e., pulled down again later? Yes, in 70 A.D. by the Romans when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and scattered Judah (what some call part of the great Diaspora, or disperstion). Most of them were plucked up in that time. But since then, the Jews have been returning back to the land, and what happened in 1948?

    In 1948 Israel officially became a nation again by U.N. Charter vote of the nations. Can that then be the real fulfillment of God saying He would never pluck them up (remove them) again? So far today... yes.

    It was THAT specific generation of the figs that our Lord Jesus was speaking about in the Matt.24:32-34 prophecy. 1948 represents the time of the fig branch being tender and putting forth leaves in the spring, and thus the 'summer' of Christ's second coming is just around the corner. It is pointing to the generation of the return, 1948, that would see all those signs Christ gave in Matt.24 (Rev.6) leading up to His second coming.

    That generation is now around 66 years old today. And those signs in Matt.24 have already begun in that generation's times. One of the biggest pointers was when the U.S. signed the U.N. Charter in 1947, which gave a real boost to the power of the U.N. infrastructure and operations in the world towards establishing a "one world government" over all nations and peoples, which is their final goal. Without the U.S. vote to form the nation of Israel again in 1948 it probably would not have happened.

    So the next question is, how old is a generation per God's Word? There's a 40 year, a 70 year, and a 120 year generation. The exact numbers of years is not important. What is important, is that this prophecy was given so as to know in what generation of God's people are we to start looking for those seven signs of the end our Lord Jesus gave. It puts us in the ballpark of the timing of the very end of this world and does not... predict the actual time of our Lord's second coming.
    7 And I will give them an heart to know Me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto Me with their whole heart.

    God did bless the returned remnant of the house of Judah after their 70 years captivity to Babylon. They rebuilt the city, walls, and a second temple back in Ezra and Nehemiah's days. And a remnant of them today have returned back to Jerusalem with their whole heart towards God, even though most of them still are deceived with not believing Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ.


    Now God tells what He would do with the ones among Judah that represent the evil, naughty basket of figs...
    8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:

    These evil basket of figs did indeed dwell among Judah with Zedekiah as the last king in Jerusalem of the house of David. God reveals here these were to be scattered among the returning remnant of Judah after their Babylon captivity also, with "the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:". Ezra 2 specifically mentions them as Nethinims (foreigner temple servants) and the priests who's geneaology was not found among Israel. The larger portion of the house of Judah stayed in Babylon after the 70 years captivity had ended, and they later would be scattered through the nations along with these also...

    9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
    10 And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.
    (KJV)


    This section is primarily about the evil basket of figs mixed in among the house of Judah. It's about the "tares" our Lord Jesus mentioned in Matt.13. The tares are mixed in among the good wheat (Judah) and only Christ is able to separate them when He returns at summer harvest time. Thus, we were supposed to already know our Old Testament Bible history about these two peoples before we ever got to our Lord Jesus' parables involving this matter. So if you study what I've pointed to here, and verify for yourself as it is written, then you will know what I've presented above, and you should be more aware of today's times.
     
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  10. Truth7t7

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    Veteran I believe the parable of the fig tree as seen in Matthew 24:32 has nothing to do wih Israel becoming a Nation in 1948, with this being a popular teaching in Dispensationalism.
    However the parable is clearly describing the fig tree budding, showing that the end of the world was near. As clearly seen in Matthew 24:3 the disciples asked "what shall be the sign of thy coming and the end of the world".

    Matthew 24:3 & 29-33 KJV
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.



    Isaiah 34:4
    And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

    Revelation 6:13
    And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    Pretty simple, the parable of the fig tree is simply an identification that "Immediately After The Tribulation" signs will be shown that the end of the world is near, even at the doors.

    Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

    Truth7t7
     
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    You're free to believe what you want, and I'm not really a Dispensationalist. There's many other doctrines they have that goes with that seminary label that I don't have, so let's stick to the Scriptures, OK? Reason being, just associating that label still doesn't explain away how I described the fig tree parable.

    Good that you recognize the Matt.24:3 Scripture according to its context of that chapter; other's here don't hold to that, but I do.
    It's actually a lot more than that, because Christ specifically associated the parable of the fig tree with the timing of "this generation" He said would see ALL of those signs He gave in Matt.24. It's that Matt.24:32-34 section of Scripture that has to do with that.

    Matt 24:32-34
    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
    33
    So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
    till all these things be fulfilled.
    (KJV)


    He was talking about a specific generation time that would see "all these things" (i.e., signs He gave there). That means from the very first sign He gave in that chapter down to the last one He gave, that of His second coming. They are the same... signs He gave us in His Book of Revelation about the end, and they are signs to occur PRIOR to His coming.

    Then right after that Matt.24:32-35 section He goes into the matter of one taken and the other left, and that we are to be on watch like the goodman of the house, and He evens brings up the subject of the 'thief' breaking in at night.

    Thus our Lord Jesus was giving us those signs so we would not be deceived, so we may stay spiritual sober and watching and waiting for the day of His return. Included within those signs is the matter of a specific pseudo-Christ coming to exalt himself in place of Christ, and that's what the idea of remaining sober and watching is about, lest that false one take you unawares prior to our Lord Jesus' coming, so that when our Lord Jesus does... come, His coming won't be to you as a thief breaking in at night.

    That's actually how much deeper those Matt.24 Scriptures go.
     
  12. Eric E Stahl

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    Soon because

    Zephaniah 1:14-2:3
    14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
    15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
    16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
    17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
    18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
    1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;(((Israel)))
    2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you.
    3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.

    Now that Israel has gathered the day of the Lord is very, very near and the rapture is more near!
     
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    Zech 12:7-10
    7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
    8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
    9
    And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Me Whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
    (KJV)


    That definitely is a Day of The LORD event with the time of Christ's second coming back to Jerusalem, and thereafter.
     
  14. DaDad

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    Hi Joshua David,

    I'm confused as to your expectations. If I believe in the 42 month Tribulation as specified in Rev. 13:5, then do I vote: THERE IS NO TRIBULATION?!?

    Conversely, because I know when the Tribulations starts, should I vote that date as though I agreed that it wasn't REALLY 42 months?



    Thanks,
    DaDad
     
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    Great Tribulation = 42 months.

    Sorry, HAD to comment.
     
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    Good call, -- so long as we both agree that there is no 42 month predecessor! :)


    ... and given that at least two of us are in agreement, the issue still stands, -- we cannot answer this "trick question"!!!


    DaDad
     
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    haha. i thought the same thing. so i voted "i don't believe in it" (knowing it meant a future 7 years).
    the time of daniel's trouble was fulfilled, and ended in 70AD. Thank God for this. now we have jew and gentile alike, no difference inside or outside Christ, and One Gospel message. this is very Good News.
     
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    No, the 'time of trouble' per the Book of Daniel did not end in 70 A.D. That doctrine has already been sorefully debunked several times here on this Forum.
     
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    hi veteran. i meant no offense.
    i have done a very detailed study of the entire book of Daniel and i believe i can show that it has been fulfilled. history bears witness as well.
    but i am new here, and i do not wish to cause any problems. i could post a chapter by chapter study on Daniel sometime.
    i wish you only the best, Poppin.

    Zechariah 12
    Mourning the One they Pierced
    10"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11"In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo

    Luke 23
    The Crucifixion
    26When they led Him away, they seized a man, Simon of Cyrene, coming in from the country, and placed on him the cross to carry behind Jesus. 27And following Him was a large crowd of the people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting Him. 28But Jesus turning to them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children

    John 19
    Jesus’ Side Is Pierced
    31Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. 32So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. 33But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water. 35He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.
     
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    I have gone through my whole Bible several times, in detail study, and I still don't claim to know it all like you're assuming you do. So why should I even begin to believe you're able to prove all the Book of Daniel has been fulfilled by that one 70 A.D. event?

    I know you can post whole volumes, even writings of others about it, but what would that prove? Would that get you an ear that you seek here?

    Your detailed study account isn't needed, at least not by me, because by The Holy Spirit I already know it would not match up to Scripture, because men's doctrines of Preterism is what you are espousing with the 70 A.D. idea, and it will not fit the plain sight of Bible Scripture. It is simply a theory of men and that's all. And we've already seen how men's philosophy can produce volumes upon volumes without actually saying anything worthwhile.

    So maybe you will learn to not just throw out affirmations without backing it up like you've done here. But then again, I doubt it.
     
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