How Free Will Destroys the Gospel

[Nancy]

God has given to ALL a measure of faith.
"For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." Romans 12:3

 

[Dave L]

God has given to ALL a measure of faith.
"For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." Romans 12:3

“For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” (Romans 12:3) (KJV 1900)

“and that we may be delivered from perverse and evil people. For not all have faith.” (2 Thessalonians 3:2) (NET)

 

[Dave L]

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22) (KJV 1900)

 

[Enoch111]

...Our flesh is our mind...

This is another one of your false ideas.

While the mind can be involved with sin (which is how *the flesh* expresses itself), that is not the sole purpose of the mind. Hence we read this:Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus (Phil 2:5)

The mind can be dedicated to righteousness as much as to unrighteousness. That will depend on whether Christians are walking in the Spirit or walking according to the flesh.

As you can see, Scripture has already refuted your false doctrines (not just here but in many other posts). What puzzles me is that people who claim to be Christians LOVE their false doctrines more than they love truth. And almost all your posts are dedicated to false ideas and false doctrine.

 

[Dave L]

This is another one of your false ideas.

While the mind can be involved with sin (which is how *the flesh* expresses itself), that is not the sole purpose of the mind. Hence we read this:Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus (Phil 2:5)

The mind can be dedicated to righteousness as much as to unrighteousness. That will depend on whether Christians are walking in the Spirit or walking according to the flesh.

As you can see, Scripture has already refuted your false doctrines (not just here but in many other posts). What puzzles me is that people who claim to be Christians LOVE their false doctrines more than they love truth. And almost all your posts are dedicated to false ideas and false doctrine.

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23) (KJV 1900)

Soul = mind.

“Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.” (Ephesians 2:3) (KJV 1900)

διάνοια, ας, ἡ (s. διανοέομαι; Aeschyl., Hdt+.; in LXX nearly always for לֵב, לֵבָב).
① the faculty of thinking, comprehending, and reasoning, understanding, intelligence, mind


Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 234). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

 

[CoreIssue]

Our flesh is our mind. It thinks all the wrong things it could ever want to.

It is not our mind. Our mind is where flesh and spirit meet.

 

[Dave L]

It is not our mind. Our mind is where flesh and spirit meet.

Spirit is you. Mind is the thinking part of your body (flesh).

 

[CoreIssue]

Spirit is you. Mind is the thinking part of your body (flesh).

Your Gnosticism is showing.

 

[Dave L]

Your Gnosticism is showing.

Mind =
διάνοια, ας, ἡ (s. διανοέομαι; Aeschyl., Hdt+.; in LXX nearly always for לֵב, לֵבָב).
① the faculty of thinking, comprehending, and reasoning, understanding, intelligence, mind


Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 234). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

 

[CoreIssue]

Mind =
διάνοια, ας, ἡ (s. διανοέομαι; Aeschyl., Hdt+.; in LXX nearly always for לֵב, לֵבָב).
① the faculty of thinking, comprehending, and reasoning, understanding, intelligence, mind


Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 234). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Does not change the fact the thinking is a result of the interaction of flesh and spirit in the brain.

Cripple the body and takes away the ability to speak etc.. But the spirit is undamaged continues on.

 

[Dave L]

Does not change the fact the thinking is a result of the interaction of flesh and spirit in the brain.

Cripple the body and takes away the ability to speak etc.. But the spirit is undamaged continues on.

The mind is flesh, If you have a stroke, it stops working. Your spirit remains active.

 

[CoreIssue]

The mind is flesh, If you have a stroke, it stops working. Your spirit remains active.

You better do some study. Many people have strokes with no ill effect on thinking, but on other parts of the body. No effect on the spirit.

 

[Dave L]

You better do some study. Many people have strokes with no ill effect on thinking, but on other parts of the body. No effect on the spirit.

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12) (KJV 1900)

 

[CoreIssue]

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12) (KJV 1900)

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

 

[Dave L]

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23) (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

April 11, 2002 -- Seemingly random or unprovoked anger and irritability among stroke patients may be effect of stroke-related brain damage, according to a new study.

Although uncontrolled anger and aggression are frequently associated with strokes, researchers now say the outbursts may be caused by brain damageitself rather than linked to episodes of stroke-related depression

"We think that the inability to control anger and aggression is more likely a symptom of brain injury rather than a reactive behavior secondary to stroke, even in patients with physical disabilities," says study author Jong S. Kim, MD of the Asan Medical Center in Seoul, Korea, in a news release.

Link here

 

[CoreIssue]

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23) (KJV 1900)

Still off-topic.

 

[Dave L]

Still off-topic.

Proof of what I'm saying.

 

[CoreIssue]

April 11, 2002 -- Seemingly random or unprovoked anger and irritability among stroke patients may be effect of stroke-related brain damage, according to a new study.

Although uncontrolled anger and aggression are frequently associated with strokes, researchers now say the outbursts may be caused by brain damageitself rather than linked to episodes of stroke-related depression

"We think that the inability to control anger and aggression is more likely a symptom of brain injury rather than a reactive behavior secondary to stroke, even in patients with physical disabilities," says study author Jong S. Kim, MD of the Asan Medical Center in Seoul, Korea, in a news release.

Link here

Yes, but all this proves is your continuing to change your claims.

 

[Dave L]

Yes, but all this proves is your continuing to change your claims.

It proves the mind is different from the spirit. The mind = the flesh enslaved to the cravings of the body.