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Featured How Free Will Destroys the Gospel

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Dave L, Nov 19, 2018.

  1. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    You said , "The mind is flesh, If you have a stroke, it stops working. Your spirit remains active."
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    This is true. Many turn violent when the flesh no longer controls them.
     
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    OzSpen Well-Known Member

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    Ridicule is ridicule and it is fallacious reasoning when dealing with ANY topic.
     
  4. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    The question is; according to the bible, how sinful are people? Are they merely biased towards sin that free will can counter? Or are they dead in sin to the point they cannot discern truth and believe? And do any good thing for the right reason?

    Depending on how you answer this, two entirely different "Christianities", "gospels" and "Christs" will emerge from the pages of scripture.
     
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    OzSpen Well-Known Member

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    Now you use a red herring fallacy by changing the topic to what you want to talk about.

    Previously you used an Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy. Your erroneous reasoning caused you to not engage in discussion of the topic but to invest words in ridiculing the other person.

    It's time for ...

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  6. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    So, how sinful are people? That is the starting point we are discussing. OP = Freewill destroys the gospel.
     
  7. bbyrd009

    bbyrd009 Groper

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    yes, It is, and the laws are not based upon it, and the world def does not depend upon it, as could easily be demonstrated. Ppl marching in lockstep does not = Free Will, Dave, i mean c'mon. Your up is down now?
     
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  8. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Here's an interesting view of free will and law by Einstein:

    "But despite his deterministic philosophy and science, Einstein realized that people’s belief in free will is pragmatically necessary for a civilized society; that it causes them to take responsibility for their actions, and enables society to regulate such actions.* So he said:"

    “I am compelled to act as if free will existed, because if I wish to live in a civilized society I must act responsibly. . . I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his crime, but I prefer not to take tea with him.”*

    I do not at all believe in human freedom in the philosophical sense. Everybody acts not only under external compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity.”

    Albert Einstein (1954)
     
  9. bbyrd009

    bbyrd009 Groper

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    ok well i like Einstein, but i also "know" this is crap Dave, and that Einstein was being a hypocrite here too, as his later musings on the matter even reveal?

    Murderers are not responsible for their crimes? Srsly?

    So he changed his mind here see, on what he supposedly "knew," and we can quote the change of heart later too
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Looks as though you "out smarted" him....
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    no Dave, he changed his mind, and it is documented, and if you were reading you could have even been reminded of this, but you can't read. You outsmarted yourself iow, or i mean bam keep defending "murderers are not responsible for their crimes" as long as you like, against God and Scripture, idc, i really dont. Down can be up, left is right, Free Will is evil and Fascism is good. Praise God
     
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    "murderers are not responsible for their crimes" i am having to contest now lol;
    pls understand when your next tag to me goes ignored ok
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    sound fam Dave? And understand that this is not an indictment of your beliefs necessarily, it is a statement of understanding that we cannot even discuss them with you, bc you will not discuss them. Dave's beliefs will not be examined here today, at least by Dave. "Free Will destroys Gospel" is not even one of Dave's "beliefs," see
     
  14. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    I realize you could not have formed any other conclusions or given any other response. Blessings.....
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    no you don't Dave, you don't realize that at all, that just allows you to keep Standing There ok.
    You aren't fooling anyone but yourself bro, with this constant deflecting, i mean do you want an intervention here or what, you might say while i still care a little, bc trust me idc if you keep believing that as long as you cannot possibly demonstrate it ok? So until then at least,

    Cursings,
    Mark
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Blessings DL.
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    last one to post wins, huh Dave
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Blessings......
     
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    You've provided another red herring.

    Why won't you own up to the way you ridiculed the person in #444.
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    Again, I apologize for all my shortcomings.
     
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