How many ages are there?

[ewq1938]

Revelation 20:11-15 makes it quite clear that everyone that has ever lived, will stand before God on His Great White Throne in Judgment, after the Millennium.

None of the dead from heaven are there. Only the dead from the sea, death and hell. Those are symbolically wicked and dark places. The only people judged at that time are the unsaved, known as the resurrection of damnation.

That is when Lazarus and David will rise and receive their reward of Eternal life. John 11:24, Acts 13:36 On the Last Day of this present earth.

Pauls Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:5-56, is about that Day and those still alive then, whose names are found in the Book of Life, will be instantly transformed into immortality.
Any ideas that people can receive immortality before that Day, are false and cannot happen.

That's wrong. Immortality comes at the second coming via the resurrection and the body change of the living prior to the rapture. That is before the Millennium even begins.

 

[Keraz]

None of the dead from heaven are there. Only the dead from the sea, death and hell. Those are symbolically wicked and dark places. The only people judged at that time are the unsaved, known as the resurrection of damnation.





That's wrong. Immortality comes at the second coming via the resurrection and the body change of the living prior to the rapture. That is before the Millennium even begins.

Both of your replies are purely your opinion.
You provide no scriptural support and there is nowhere in the Bible that supports your contentions.

 

[ewq1938]

Both of your replies are purely your opinion.
You provide no scriptural support and there is nowhere in the Bible that supports your contentions.

You sidestepped the evidence presented. Respond to the first paragraph.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's wrong. Immortality comes at the second coming via the resurrection and the body change of the living prior to the rapture. That is before the Millennium even begins.

When does immortality come for any mortal believers who (supposedly) live on the earth after the second coming? Did God somehow forget to inspire anyone to write about that?

 

[VCO]

Revelation 20:11-15 makes it quite clear that everyone that has ever lived, will stand before God on His Great White Throne in Judgment, after the Millennium.
That is when Lazarus and David will rise and receive their reward of Eternal life. John 11:24, Acts 13:36 On the Last Day of this present earth.

Pauls Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:5-56, is about that Day and those still alive then, whose names are found in the Book of Life, will be instantly transformed into immortality.
Any ideas that people can receive immortality before that Day, are false and cannot happen.

Yes, the Immorality of the human Spirit I believe in.

But the Body to will be raised in a Glorified Body. That is why I believe the Rapture happen in Rev. 4:4.

We GO as a GROUP in the twinkling of an eye.

Revelation 4:4 (NASB)
4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads.

They do not have anything to sit on, until they get that GLORIFIED BODY, and sitting on a throne MEAN their work of the Great Commission is DONE, just Like JESUS work of paying for out SIN was Done.

 

[ewq1938]

But the Body to will be raised in a Glorified Body. That is why I believe the Rapture happen in Rev. 4:4.

The rapture happens at the second coming, not at the timeframe of Rev 4. You are also confusing the rapture with the resurrection. The resurrection makes the dead come back to life. The rapture is a moving of bodies from one place to another.

 

[VCO]

The rapture happens at the second coming, not at the timeframe of Rev 4. You are also confusing the rapture with the resurrection. The resurrection makes the dead come back to life. The rapture is a moving of bodies from one place to another.

No it happens at Rev. 4:4. Elders do not have anything to Sit on until they have a Glorified Body to sit on; and JOHN saw them sitting on their thrones on Rev. 4:4. Night.

 

[ewq1938]

No it happens at Rev. 4:4. Elders do not have anything to Sit on until they have a Glorified Body to sit on; and JOHN saw them sitting on their thrones on Rev. 4:4. Night.

I think we need to focus on your confusion between resurrection and rapture before discussing other errors.

 

[Keraz]

None of the dead from heaven are there. Only the dead from the sea, death and hell.

The only dead in heaven are the Christian martyrs, whose souls are kept under the Altar in heaven, They are not alive as we are.
We know that only those martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus returns, will be raised then. Rev 20:4

Your belief of people living in heaven before the Judgment, is wrong and cannot happen. Jesus said so: John 3:13

 

[ScottA]

How many ages are there?

My premise is that a new age occurs every time there comes about new heavens and a new earth. A new age involves significant changes to our solar system and to earth's geography.

My thinking is that there are five ages:

1) pre-Adamic age
2) pre-Noahic age
3) this present evil age
4) the Kingdom age
5) the Eternal age


1)The pre-Adamic Age

In the pre-Adamic age (ie before Adam sinned) man and the beasts lived together harmoniously. There was no rain, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground (Gen 2:5-6) Four headwaters: Pishon, Gihon, Tigris, and Euphrates. It's all there in Genesis chapters one and two.



2) The pre-Noahic Age

After Adam sinned, we entered the pre-Noahic age. Again, there was no rain on the earth, until Noah entered the ark (Gen 7:4), and afterwards we saw the first rainbow. It's estimated this age lasted maybe 1500 years. Again, it's all there in Genesis chapters three through seven.



3) This Present Evil Age

Then, after the cataclysmic heaven and earth changing events of the Flood, we come to a new age Paul calls "this present evil age" (Galatians 1:4). It's estimated since the Flood this age is about 4500 years now, with some 1000 years more to go, for a total of 7000 years since Adam.

This present evil age will see the man of sin revealed (2Thes 2:8), causing great tribulation (Matt 24:21), which ends with the rebellion of Gog/Magog (Rev 20:7-9), in which God's fiery judgment will consume all the nation's wicked (Eze 39:6), leaving mortals as rare as fine gold (Isa 13:12)

Quote: Matt 24:21-22
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

I believe the 1000 year reign of Christ and his saints (Rev 20:4) will not be on earth but rather in the heavenly places vacated by Satan and his angles after the war in heaven (Rev 12:7-9)
The Kingdom of God begins in heaven, not on the earth (Rev 12:10).

Quote: Rev 12:10
Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

Revelation's sixth seal (Rev 6:12-17) follows immediately after that great tribulation and will bring about significant changes to our heavens and to earth's geography as well, constituting the beginning of the Kingdom age (Matt 24:29-30).



4) The Kingdom Age

Quote: Rev 6:12-14
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

Quote: Matt 24:29-30 (abridged)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken... and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The Kingdom age will last many thousands of years to accommodate God's sworn promise to give the land of Canaan to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and to Israel, for a thousand generations (Psalm 105:8 and 1 Chronicles 16:15)

In the Kingdom age the wicked will die young, the wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox (Isa 65:17-25) This will be the Messianic Kingdom Age where Christ will rule with his twelve disciples (Matt 19:28)

Quote: Matthew 19:28
So, Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Quote: Acts 17:31
God has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.

IMO This age will end with the execution of Revelation's seventh seal with its seven trumpets and seven vials. All the unrepentant wicked who have ever lived will be judged then and those who still refuse to repent will be destroyed in the LOF.

Quote: Isa 24:21-22
In that day the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the kings on the earth below. They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon; they will be shut up in prison and be punished after many days.



5) the Eternal Age

Many people conflate the Kingdom age with the Eternal age. In the former, sin and death still reign, but not in the later.

Quote: Rev 21:1f (abridged)
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away...“Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

Bob..

Bob,

As there is no time in the heavenly realm of God ("no shadow of turning"), the "age" to come is not actually an age or "world" as it is also defined or translated, but rather to be understood as "ever" or evermore/"everlasting."

Contrary to the five ages that you have suggested, Daniel referred to the ages as, "a time, times, and half a time." Which Jesus then clarified as "yesterday, today, and the third day." However, because He referred to the third day as when He would be "perfected", technically meaning the second day ("today") and "the third day" can also be considered the same day...separated in the "divide" spoken of by Daniel. In other words, there was a time before Jesus came, and is also a time after which is divided in those born of the flesh and those born of the spirit of God in whom there is [technically] no time. However, because, as Paul put it, "today" included both, referring to those who would experience the "today" as two days, as "we who are alive and remain"-- born of the spirit of God, but remaining in the flesh...for a time. Hence, the "third day" reference by Jesus. Incidentally, this difference of two or three "days" or "times", is why it is written "by the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word shall be established", and is the first resurrection.

 

[ewq1938]

The only dead in heaven are the Christian martyrs, whose souls are kept under the Altar in heaven, They are not alive as we are.
We know that only those martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus returns, will be raised then. Rev 20:4

Your belief of people living in heaven before the Judgment, is wrong and cannot happen. Jesus said so: John 3:13

You contradict yourself. Either there aren't people (souls) in heaven or there are. You don't get to hold both positions.

 

[Keraz]

You contradict yourself. Either there aren't people (souls) in heaven or there are. You don't get to hold both positions.

Those souls are there, but not in a conscious state, except for when God allows then to cry out.
They are not and can never be living beings in heaven. Nowhere does the Bible tell us this could happen. Eventually; God and therefore heaven comes to us, on the new earth. Revelation 21:1-7

 

[ewq1938]

Those souls are there, but not in a conscious state, except for when God allows then to cry out.

Which means they are in a conscious state.

They are not and can never be living beings in heaven. Nowhere does the Bible tell us this could happen.

They are alive but don't have bodies until the resurrection.

 

[VCO]

I think we need to focus on your confusion between resurrection and rapture before discussing other errors.

No, I am not Confused. I KNOW IN MY HEART, I am invited to the Weding of the Lamb in Heaven. An orthodox Jewish wedding Last for 7 days, The LORD will have a wedding that lasts 7 years. And that same is the 70th Week of Daniel her on earth. While will be in heaven for the Wedding for that entire week.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Where is it written that 1/3 of God's children followed satan?

The concept comes from Rev. 12:3-4a

Revelation 12:3-4
English Standard Version
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3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. ...

Stars are at times representative of angelic hosts. If this is not what is meant by this verse, then we're going to be in for a massive meteor shower.

 

[Timtofly]

When does immortality come for any mortal believers who (supposedly) live on the earth after the second coming? Did God somehow forget to inspire anyone to write about that?

Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 show Jesus Himself explaining who is redeemed to live on the earth during the Day of the Lord: the sheep and the wheat of the final harvest. A set of Trumpets shows us when the Sheep are separated from the goats. A set of Thunders is the reaping of the tares and the wheat.

The church is removed at the 5th and 6th Seal. The sheep are removed during the Trumpets to wait on the sea of glass for the Thunders and 42 months if given to Satan. The Thunders will be the removal of the tares and wheat. The wheat also waiting, put in the barn, until the wrath of God's winepress is over. The sheep represent the remnant of Israel. The wheat is representatives of all nations gathered to live in the Day of the Lord. They all have to shed Adam's dead corruptible flesh one way or the other. The corruption putting on incorruption. They only need a physical body. They remain on earth until the very end. Perhaps some/all are glorified or not after the NHNE? We literally do not know anything about the NHNE except that literal city you claim is not literal. There will be kings and kingdoms and nations coming to this city, and that is about all we know.

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."

 

[Timtofly]

The concept comes from Rev. 12:3-4a

Revelation 12:3-4​

English Standard Version​

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3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. ...

Stars are at times representative of angelic hosts. If this is not what is meant by this verse, then we're going to be in for a massive meteor shower.

This is explained in Jude 1:6

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

John is just symbolizing the rebellion of those angels at some point in the past.

The point of all the stars coming to earth is at the 6th Seal.

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

This is symbolic of Jesus saying all the angels come to earth at the Second Coming in the Olivet Discourse.

We also know that the angels were created on the 4th Day. That is when God placed them in the firmament.

 

[ewq1938]

The concept comes from Rev. 12:3-4a

Revelation 12:3-4​

English Standard Version​

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3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. ...

Stars are at times representative of angelic hosts. If this is not what is meant by this verse, then we're going to be in for a massive meteor shower.

But that event took place after the ascension of Christ in the first century. Didn't some type of angelic rebellion happen long before that? Also, why would satan remove his own angels from heaven when there would be a war in heaven not too long after that?

Is satan recruiting angels to rebel or is he attacking angels?

 

[PossibleThrowawayAccount]

I have a long age list and a short one. The long goes:

• Age of creation
• Garden of Eden age
• Post fall age
• The post flood age (after the flood to Abram's birth)
• The age of the patriarchs (Abram, Isaac, Jacob and the tribes of Israel)
• The early Israel age
• Age of the Judges
• Age of the kings
• Age of the Babylon exile
• Age of the prophets
• Christian age.
• The golden age (Jesus returns and after)

The short one is:

• The old testament age
• The new testament age
• The golden age.

If you want to go real short:

• Earth age
• New earth age

 

[M3n0r4h]

But that event took place after the ascension of Christ in the first century. Didn't some type of angelic rebellion happen long before that? Also, why would satan remove his own angels from heaven when there would be a war in heaven not too long after that?

Since the Book of Revelation is not necessarily written in a chronological order, I have to wonder about who the woman represents, and who or what it is to which she gives birth. Some say that part of the passage represents the birth of Israel, and others maintain that it is the birth of the messiah. In either of those cases, then event would have happened pre-ascension, no?
If we take the description found in Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekial 28:13-19 to be but a vignette of a rebellion in heaven, then it appears that the rebellion and war will last throughout the entire history of mankind, both in heaven and upon earth. Even though Jesus has won the final war, the battles in the sphere of mankind rage on throughout the ages. If God exists in a 'hyperdimensional space,' so to speak, then all history is ever-present to Him. It is mankind that is currently tethered to a space-time continuum, but that would not be true of a self-existent being; aka, the God of Israel, who said He was Eyeh-Asher-Eyeh at the burning bush.