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[shepherdsword]

Aaaah and there it is. The same old stodgy argumentum ad nauseam, when you run out of arguments you resort to suggesting sabbath keepers are honouring the day in order to earn salvation or add to what Christ has already accomplished. Tell me. How far would you get if you suggest to your wife that the only reason she keeps the 7th commandment is because she has to impress you?

Nothing stodgy about it except to those have hardened their heart. As for the 7th commandment? Jesus extrapolates that by saying if you even LOOK on a woman to lust you are guilty. Thus showing the requirement of the Spirit. The sabbath is the same way...it has been extrapolated into the rest of Christ. Something those that worship the sabbath fail to grasp.

 

[Brakelite]

Nothing stodgy about it except to those have hardened their heart. As for the 7th commandment? Jesus extrapolates that by saying if you even LOOK on a woman to lust you are guilty. Thus showing the requirement of the Spirit. The sabbath is the same way...it has been extrapolated into the rest of Christ. Something those that worship the sabbath fail to grasp.

I'm sure your wife would be interested knowing you can in good conscience lie with another woman, so long as you don't lust.

 

[shepherdsword]

I'm sure your wife would be interested knowing you can in good conscience lie with another woman, so long as you don't lust.

You wrest and twist my words almost as bad as you do the scriptures.

 

[Brakelite]

Nothing stodgy about it except to those have hardened their heart. As for the 7th commandment? Jesus extrapolates that by saying if you even LOOK on a woman to lust you are guilty. Thus showing the requirement of the Spirit. The sabbath is the same way...it has been extrapolated into the rest of Christ. Something those that worship the sabbath fail to grasp.

If the sabbath day is no longer holy, sacred, or blessed, then you ought to be able to show everyone a "thus saith the Lord" as evidence of that. Otherwise, the only authority for any change is your own understanding.

 

[Brakelite]

You wrest and twist my words almost as bad as you do the scriptures.

Were you not the one who was justifying your rejection of a commandment on the basis of your belief you were honouring it spiritually? Why not be consistent with all the commandments? Scrap them all in favour honouring them in your mind, but not with your body?

 

[shepherdsword]

If the sabbath day is no longer holy, sacred, or blessed, then you ought to be able to show everyone a "thus saith the Lord" as evidence of that. Otherwise, the only authority for any change is your own understanding.

If we were to keep the sabbath as you claim we would need to see one place on the New testament where we are commanded to. Can you name one place in the new testament were we are commanded to keep the sabbath?

 

[shepherdsword]

Were you not the one who was justifying your rejection of a commandment on the basis of your belief you were honouring it spiritually? Why not be consistent with all the commandments? Scrap them all in favour honouring them in your mind, but not with your body?

This is where you misread me just as you do the scriptures. If I never look at a woman to lust then I will also never fall into physical adultery.

 

[Button]

True. But he is the one who decides who are his. Like the pharisees you would condemn someone to hell for not keeping the sabbath your way. That's why they crucified the Lord...because he didn't keep the sabbath according to their expectation. They thought, like you, that they were righteous and despised others.

That's an idiotic response. You misrepresent my views so to lie about Jesus.

And you edited what you first said,which I liked, in order to add that nonsense that appears now.

Pathetic.

 

[amigo de christo]

... Believe it is a bad thing for the church to use the state to enforce Christian doctrine, like the Catholic Church did during the dark ages, and the church of England did after Henry VIII? (and several other examples as well such Calvin's Geneva.)

following another jesus and another gospel , wont save a christain who does so
anymore than the false religoins can save themselves .
May i make a serious suggest for us all today .
Time to , more than ever , preach JESUS and the absolute dire need to have had to beleive on HIM
and fast . cause i am seeing me one wacked out diverse rainbow gospel
that sure seems to cliam all religoins serve the same GOD we do
and that jesus is a minstir of sin that holds rainbows and hundred dollah bills .
THAT god and that jesus , OH it cant save squat .
Never forget that satan himself can quoate scrip , so HE can say GOD IS LOVE
but boy is he gonna make a huge sin accepting unbelief path b y means of his false love .
And beleive you me that broad road , IS buT DESTRUCTION . satan desires the death of all
so he gonna preach a love and a god that makes darn sure they end up in the lake of fire . HE is real sneaky , that one is .
but the sheep shall not heed him or his ecumeincal whore .

 

[Brakelite]

This is where you misread me just as you do the scriptures. If I never look at a woman to lust then I will also never fall into physical adultery.

Them your entire theory falls down for the same reason. You can't dispense with the commandment while claiming rest. It's both, or nothing.

 

[Brakelite]

Them your entire theory falls down for the same reason. You can't dispense with the commandment while claiming rest. It's both, or nothing.

You as much said so here, but contradict yourself regarding the Sabbath.

Jesus extrapolates that by saying if you even LOOK on a woman to lust you are guilty. Thus showing the requirement of the Spirit. The sabbath is the same way...it has been extrapolated into the rest of Christ. Something those that worship the sabbath fail to grasp.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is where you misread me just as you do the scriptures. If I never look at a woman to lust then I will also never fall into physical adultery.

now how true this is .
And what do the SHEEP whose faith be in JESUS have indwelling within them .
THE HOLY SPIRIT
now we still walk in fleshly bodies
SO we aer gonna get evil lustful thoughts popping in
BUT SEEING we have THE SPIRIT , beleive you me , IT ALWAYS warns us when such thoughts , such temptations
of our flesh pop into our minds .
WE do have SPIRITUAL weapons . THEY are not carnal but THEY ARE MIGHTY
and they Will and do PULL DOWN any high thing that exalts itself against GOD
and brings them thoughts captive to the obeidance of Christ .
iN OTHER WORDS , anyone who uses JESUS name as an excuse to continue IN SIN
MY oh my THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM .
Any who justifies sin , DOES NOT KNOW HIM .
cause where is the convinction of THE HOL Y GHOST . sheep have that .
AND if one do err , confess and repent . that be the key .
BUT NEVER t ry and justify evil or such evil thoughts .
Gonna be a die daily fight my friend . But never let us who name the name of CHRIST
ever once try and recreate another god and jesus that agrees with SIN . cause that one is NOT GOD OR CHRIST .
thanks for your reminder my friend . now lets heed mine too .

 

[Button]

You as much said so here, but contradict yourself regarding the Sabbath.

They lose their argument not just because they are obviously not actual students of the scriptures but, because they claim Christians who honor the Sabbath worship the Sabbath.


SS doesn't know what they're talking about. Their agenda appears to be to disparage scripture and doctrine.

 

[Brakelite]

They lose their argument not just because they are obviously not actual students of the scriptures but, because they claim Christians who honor the Sabbath worship the Sabbath.


SS doesn't know what they're talking about. Their agenda appears to be to disparage scripture and doctrine.

Yes, the counter arguments are very confusing and often contradictory.

 

[Brakelite]

If we were to keep the sabbath as you claim we would need to see one place on the New testament where we are commanded to. Can you name one place in the new testament were we are commanded to keep the sabbath?

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments".

 

[shepherdsword]

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments".

"My" as in the ones he taught, Where did Jesus command the disciples to keep the Sabbath?

 

[shepherdsword]

That's an idiotic response. You misrepresent my views so to lie about Jesus.

And you edited what you first said,which I liked, in order to add that nonsense that appears now.

Pathetic.

You "liked" it while I was edited it so come down off the accusation. You said "Not everyone who says to him, Lord,Lord......are his." in post 59 about those who don't adhere to the sabbath day keeping cult.

 

[Button]

You "liked" it while I was edited it so come down off the accusation. You said "Not everyone who says to him, Lord,Lord......are his." in post 59 about those who don't adhere to the sabbath day keeping cult.

I "liked" your post because you first posted just this.
True. But he is the one who decides who are his.

Then you edited so to post what you intended as an insult to "Sabbath keepers".

Now you call those Christians ,a cult.

Horrible to assail scripture as you do. And those who respect them.

I'll be ignoring you now.

 

[Button]

I Am

 

[shepherdsword]

I "liked" your post because you first posted just this.
True. But he is the one who decides who are his.

Then you edited so to post what you intended as an insult to "Sabbath keepers".

Now you call those Christians ,a cult.

Horrible to assail scripture as you do. And those who respect them.

I'll be ignoring you now.

Anytime you make a part, the whole ,you have descended into heresy. All I hear 7th day Adventists talk about is the sabbath. You even named your church after it. Maybe I spoke a bit too much when I called it a cult...however, it is definitely cult like. Messianic Jews keep the Saturday sabbath but you don't hear most of them talk about it much. However, when you deal with 7th day Adventists it becomes an obsession. The entire "3 angel" doctrine about Rev 14 is just wacko.