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The Bible is full of numerical data: dates, lifespans, reigns, and so on. There’s enough of these in the historical books of the Old Testament to make up a reasonably complete timeline all the way from the creation of Adam to the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC - so it’s very tempting to use it for this purpose, and many people have done so. The best-known is Bishop Ussher (in the 17th century), who calculated that the world was originally created a mere 6000 years ago, in 4004 BC. Simple - or so it seems. But unfortunately, all is not as it seems. At several points, prior to the Exodus, the only information that we have to go on is in genealogies - and here we find ourselves on highly unstable ground.

Any half-decent modern genealogy (such as the royal family of England) will contain every generation, from beginning to end; any omissions would be considered a serious fault. But ancient genealogies had a different function: their main purpose was to define a person’s tribe or clan. For example, the Messiah had to be a son/descendant of King David; but as long as the chain could be traced back to the correct ancestor, there was no need to include every single link. This is implied by the relative elasticity of the Hebrew words for ‘father’ and ‘son’, which can also mean ‘grandfather’ and ‘grandson’ - or even ’distant ancestor’ and ‘remote descendant’! And so Matthew, wanting to make his genealogy of Jesus mathematically “perfect” by having the number of generations an exact multiple of seven, has no hesitation in omitting three names (Ahaziah, Joash and Amaziah) between Jehoram and Uzziah (Matthew 1:1-17). And he doesn’t need to apologise for doing so, or even mention it, because it was accepted practice!

But that’s just one example. Are there any others? I think so. In Exodus 12 we’re told that Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. But in chapter 6, in the genealogy of Moses, there aren’t enough generations to cover that span of time. Levi’s son Kohath was already living when Israel migrated to Egypt (Genesis 46) - and yet his son Amram is given as Moses’ father. Kohath and Amram had long lives (133 and 137 years), and Moses was 80 years old at the time of the Exodus, but even if we put their lifespans end-to-end with no overlap (and there must have been overlaps!), we’re still 80 years short! Some generations must have been omitted. There’s no indication of that in the text whatsoever - but none was needed under the conventions of the time.

So when we come to the genealogies in the early chapters of Genesis, we can’t make the easy assumption that there were only 10 generations between Adam and Noah, and just another 10 between Noah and Abraham. And so we can’t use them to calculate even the date of Adam, let alone the age of the earth!

So how old is the Earth? The Bible doesn’t answer this question at all. So it doesn’t contradict the anthropological evidence for a much older human race, or the geological evidence for a planet whose age is measured in billions rather than thousands of years. And so it’s perfectly acceptable for Christians to follow the science in these matters.
 

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The Bible is full of numerical data: dates, lifespans, reigns, and so on. There’s enough of these in the historical books of the Old Testament to make up a reasonably complete timeline all the way from the creation of Adam to the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC - so it’s very tempting to use it for this purpose, and many people have done so. The best-known is Bishop Ussher (in the 17th century), who calculated that the world was originally created a mere 6000 years ago, in 4004 BC. Simple - or so it seems. But unfortunately, all is not as it seems. At several points, prior to the Exodus, the only information that we have to go on is in genealogies - and here we find ourselves on highly unstable ground.

Any half-decent modern genealogy (such as the royal family of England) will contain every generation, from beginning to end; any omissions would be considered a serious fault. But ancient genealogies had a different function: their main purpose was to define a person’s tribe or clan. For example, the Messiah had to be a son/descendant of King David; but as long as the chain could be traced back to the correct ancestor, there was no need to include every single link. This is implied by the relative elasticity of the Hebrew words for ‘father’ and ‘son’, which can also mean ‘grandfather’ and ‘grandson’ - or even ’distant ancestor’ and ‘remote descendant’! And so Matthew, wanting to make his genealogy of Jesus mathematically “perfect” by having the number of generations an exact multiple of seven, has no hesitation in omitting three names (Ahaziah, Joash and Amaziah) between Jehoram and Uzziah (Matthew 1:1-17). And he doesn’t need to apologise for doing so, or even mention it, because it was accepted practice!

But that’s just one example. Are there any others? I think so. In Exodus 12 we’re told that Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. But in chapter 6, in the genealogy of Moses, there aren’t enough generations to cover that span of time. Levi’s son Kohath was already living when Israel migrated to Egypt (Genesis 46) - and yet his son Amram is given as Moses’ father. Kohath and Amram had long lives (133 and 137 years), and Moses was 80 years old at the time of the Exodus, but even if we put their lifespans end-to-end with no overlap (and there must have been overlaps!), we’re still 80 years short! Some generations must have been omitted. There’s no indication of that in the text whatsoever - but none was needed under the conventions of the time.

So when we come to the genealogies in the early chapters of Genesis, we can’t make the easy assumption that there were only 10 generations between Adam and Noah, and just another 10 between Noah and Abraham. And so we can’t use them to calculate even the date of Adam, let alone the age of the earth!

So how old is the Earth? The Bible doesn’t answer this question at all. So it doesn’t contradict the anthropological evidence for a much older human race, or the geological evidence for a planet whose age is measured in billions rather than thousands of years. And so it’s perfectly acceptable for Christians to follow the science in these matters.
The genetic proof for the age of the earth is approx 7000 years.

Thie accurate geological age is also 7-10K years.

The radiometric forms of dating are hopelssly flawed and wildly inaccurate. they are more guesswork that following the geneologies of Scripture.
 

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I have a better question: Who cares?

It's really a moot point.
Some people care a great deal, it would seem. And when atheists are using this issue to pour scorn on Christianity, we'd better get our facts right, and not make claims that don't stand up to scrutiny even from a Biblical point of view.
 
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The genetic proof for the age of the earth is approx 7000 years.

Thie accurate geological age is also 7-10K years.

The radiometric forms of dating are hopelssly flawed and wildly inaccurate. they are more guesswork that following the geneologies of Scripture.
Where do you get your "science" from?

Genetic evidence points to the human race being at least 100,000 years old.
 

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Where do you get your "science" from?

Genetic evidence points to the human race being at least 100,000 years old.
Assumptions. God could have created it to appear older than it is.

God created the light separate from the stars and sun and moon too.

Now if those stars are really so far away, it would have naturally taken many hundreds of millions of years to reach the earth.
But God when He made the light, could have created the light to come from the stars to have appeared ancient, but it all appeared on that one day of creation, before the stars were made.

If you read this, it seems the stars were made on the fourth day.
And everything is very much out of order for how men feel things would have appeared, such as grass and plants on the 3rd day before the sunlight. But God had created 'light' on the first day apart from sun moon stars, and there was an evening and a morning the first day.

If you believe in an all powerful God, then He can make everything from nothing on whatever day He wants or even all in one day.
The example of 6 days of creation, then resting on the 7th day, is meant for man as a sign. For them to work 6 days and on the 7th to rest and contemplate and worship God. God did all these things for us and Him to be together as one, to be a part of His family, heaven and earth joined as one. God made the earth to be inhabited, and God knew about the coming rebellion against Him and the fall in the garden, and all the things since the beginning God has foreknown and planned for His purposes.

The History of Creation​

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [b]So the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 Then God said, “Let there be a [c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great [d]lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
 
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Some people care a great deal, it would seem. And when atheists are using this issue to pour scorn on Christianity, we'd better get our facts right, and not make claims that don't stand up to scrutiny even from a Biblical point of view.

You're not going to convince atheists with facts because all they'll do is claim you have your facts wrong.

Christians are to declare the Truth of God's Word and if they reject God's Word then brush off the dust against them and go fish someplace else. These people have already made up their minds and they are reprobate so it's rare that any of these folks get saved.

There's plenty of good 'ol regular folks out there to minister to that know there is a God but haven't had anyone show them they way yet.



Genetic evidence points to the human race being at least 100,000 years old.

According to God's Word it's only been a few thousand years.

Who do you put your faith in, the Lord or the "scientific" wisdom of men which can shaped to say whatever they want to say as it's mostly a scam
 

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The Bible is full of numerical data: dates, lifespans, reigns, and so on. There’s enough of these in the historical books of the Old Testament to make up a reasonably complete timeline all the way from the creation of Adam to the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC - so it’s very tempting to use it for this purpose, and many people have done so. The best-known is Bishop Ussher (in the 17th century), who calculated that the world was originally created a mere 6000 years ago, in 4004 BC. Simple - or so it seems. But unfortunately, all is not as it seems. At several points, prior to the Exodus, the only information that we have to go on is in genealogies - and here we find ourselves on highly unstable ground.

Any half-decent modern genealogy (such as the royal family of England) will contain every generation, from beginning to end; any omissions would be considered a serious fault. But ancient genealogies had a different function: their main purpose was to define a person’s tribe or clan. For example, the Messiah had to be a son/descendant of King David; but as long as the chain could be traced back to the correct ancestor, there was no need to include every single link. This is implied by the relative elasticity of the Hebrew words for ‘father’ and ‘son’, which can also mean ‘grandfather’ and ‘grandson’ - or even ’distant ancestor’ and ‘remote descendant’! And so Matthew, wanting to make his genealogy of Jesus mathematically “perfect” by having the number of generations an exact multiple of seven, has no hesitation in omitting three names (Ahaziah, Joash and Amaziah) between Jehoram and Uzziah (Matthew 1:1-17). And he doesn’t need to apologise for doing so, or even mention it, because it was accepted practice!

But that’s just one example. Are there any others? I think so. In Exodus 12 we’re told that Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. But in chapter 6, in the genealogy of Moses, there aren’t enough generations to cover that span of time. Levi’s son Kohath was already living when Israel migrated to Egypt (Genesis 46) - and yet his son Amram is given as Moses’ father. Kohath and Amram had long lives (133 and 137 years), and Moses was 80 years old at the time of the Exodus, but even if we put their lifespans end-to-end with no overlap (and there must have been overlaps!), we’re still 80 years short! Some generations must have been omitted. There’s no indication of that in the text whatsoever - but none was needed under the conventions of the time.

So when we come to the genealogies in the early chapters of Genesis, we can’t make the easy assumption that there were only 10 generations between Adam and Noah, and just another 10 between Noah and Abraham. And so we can’t use them to calculate even the date of Adam, let alone the age of the earth!

So how old is the Earth? The Bible doesn’t answer this question at all. So it doesn’t contradict the anthropological evidence for a much older human race, or the geological evidence for a planet whose age is measured in billions rather than thousands of years. And so it’s perfectly acceptable for Christians to follow the science in these matters.
While it is true that God may very well have omitted the times or generations of some He did not consider important to record in the eternal record of which the scriptures are, the issue not of science...or even years, or age.

The real issue, is that God had begun a ribbon of events regarding what is true and important to Him, that we either believe or not. In which He describes the terms regarding times and years, down to the moments of individual days, which we can know by "the evening and the morning" thereof.

So, yes, a near miss may not be exact by the calculations of men--but to be off by lightyears...is a measure all its own, not of the earth, but rather of what one is willing to believe.

But, that said--there is a better explanation:

First, much of what is referred to as days, and weeks, and months, and years in scripture, is defined in the original language simply as "times"--all meaning the same thing. Daniel, in fact, tells of the entire plan of God as simply being, "a time, times, and half a time." At that point in history--if we were actually going to be scientific--we would have started over with the idea that the would-be details of times, were not the point of the message being given "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" down through the course of history. And when we came to Einstein's theory of relativity, saying "time is an illusion, however a convincing one", we should have got off that "the earth is this or that age" bus entirely.

The answer is--it is not the age of the world that is important, but rather what the world is. Yes, we check one box or the other, whether the earth is thousands of years old, or billions, and commit to what and who we believe. But that is not what the world is. That much, is indeed, illusion. On the contrary, the world was created by a timeless, eternal God according to his own terms--wherein He has not made all of this for the sake of times--but rather for revelations..."here a little there a little." In other words--it's not about the times, it's about the information being revealed.

But back to what the world actually is: Like "the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world"--before the world was, and just as we who are Christ's "were" crucified with Him--the events now being revealed all "were" before. His word, not mine. In other words, this is the reading of the will--our last will and testament. Then comes the Judgement.

Meanwhile, what is being revealed (what the world actually is) is everything everyone ever believed now being made manifest. In other words, if you believe just what the word of God says regarding times, or alternatively you believe what science says--that is what is on record, and what you (we all) are now walking out ("working out our own salvation"), as it "were." Impossible? Not with God! And that is why there is so much would-be convincing evidence. "Evidence"--that's a good one--especially coming from those who believe that God "spoke" all this into existence.

But that is indeed what the world is--what everyone believes (whether young earth, or old) made manifest--our will be done. Or demons or aliens--how about that one?

Whatever you believe, so shall it be, and so shall it be written.
 
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@Deborah_ I believe that the one glaring truth that is overlooked in the Genesis account is the fact that no timeline is given for the first verse, and how much time elapsed between the fist and the second verses.…as if it were a seemless continuation on the timeline.

The opening statement is….
”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (NASB)

This is the beginning of material creation…the heavens and the earth…so all that the Universe contains came into existence in what science calls “the Big Bang” meaning that an incomprehensible amount of energy created the whole shebang at one time…..including all the galaxies and the stars that contain them….

That could have been an event that took place millions of years before what is stated in verse 2 onward, took place.

“The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.” (NASB)

The earth was at first covered in water….the light was obviously from our sun, but filtered through thick clouds so that night and day were discernible but not as much as when God cleared away the cloud layers to reveal the heavenly bodies.

As it says in Job 38:4-11….ESV…

”Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know!Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk,or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang togetherand all the sons of God shouted for joy? “Or who shut in the sea with doorswhen it burst out from the womb, when I made clouds its garmentand thick darkness its swaddling band, and prescribed limits for itand set bars and doors, and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?