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ITS the same gospel and same truth that applies to both groups .

Its the same Savior, and the same Cross, but its not the same Gospel.

Paul's Gospel, is "The Gospel of the Grace of God.".. He ads no water to it.
Paul also said this..>"Christ sent me NOT to water Baptize".
Peter added water to his, in Acts 2.
You didnt notice that, but now you will.
Does this mean that we should not get water baptized after we are saved... (born again)... Not at all, Its just that the distinction has to be clearly understood that "Faith is accepted by God" to then Justify you through your faith, by the Cross of Christ.
Water is not a part of that...
Water Baptism is what we do later, AFTER we are saved., born again.

You BELIEVE....and GOD accepts this FAITH to then give you Salvation.
Then, being saved, born again, you can get water baptized.

Also, Paul called the Gospel of the Grace of God... "MY Gospel".. .He called it HIS= 3x.
 

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How to become bewitched.

Listen to man instead of God and his Word.

Hang on every word a man will tell you as though it were your life raft. Do not read and study for yourself under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. Just let man tell you the truth.

Do not believe every anointed inspired text in the canon and follow it's commands. Think in yourself or someone else that what they twist sounds good rather than brings conviction for a life of sin.

Do not believe that the whole word in context matters but bits and pieces strung together tells you the story you want to hear.

Be a hearer only, don't bother with the doing bc hearing is better than doing, You might be caught up in works if you do any actions.

Don't tell others to do the works God has set in each life to bear fruit just hang on the vine soaking up the sun.

Hey lookie, it doesn't matter what sins you continue to commit against God & man, they are already forgiven. Besides God loves you and you can NEVER be lost again, no matter what you do or don't do.

This is how you become bewitched and leave off serving God and following man.
 

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How to become bewitched.

Listen to man instead of God and his Word.
Hey lookie, it doesn't matter what sins you continue to commit against God & man, they are already forgiven. .

Its interesting to note that what you teach is man made., yet you say not to listen to a man.
But you did, and that is why you can't trust in Christ to keep you saved.
You listened to the wrong one.. @L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d

And, regarding forgiven sin.. .Its all forgiven by the one time eternal sacrifice of Christ on the Cross.
This is why 2 verses you never read say that God does not charge sin......IF the person is saved.

2 Corinthians 5:18

Romans 4:8


So then.....if all sin is forgiven, as a universalist would teach, not understanding what this is leading to... then why would anyone go to Hell?

Its because forgiveness is based on not rejecting Christ, = never born again.

In other words, if a person rejects forgiveness, then How can God forgive you?
See, Jesus is God's Forgiveness, and if you reject Him, and are never born again, then that is why you would die and go to hell.

So, there is a sin that isn't forgiven by the Cross. = Just one.

= Christ Rejection. The Unpardonable Sin... As when you commit that sin, then there is no pardon for any of your sin, because you rejected Pardon when you rejected Christ.

This is why Jesus said, if you dont believe in Him, and die, you have died "in your SINS", but if you have trusted in Christ, then Jesus Became Sin for you, and there go your sins, your sin. Its on Him

He became your sin, and you receive Christ's Righteousness.

"The Divine Exchange".

"The GIFT of Salvaiton"
 

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Its the same Savior, and the same Cross, but its not the same Gospel.

Paul's Gospel, is "The Gospel of the Grace of God.".. He ads no water to it.
Paul also said this..>"Christ sent me NOT to water Baptize".
Peter added water to his, in Acts 2.
You didnt notice that, but now you will.
Does this mean that we should not get water baptized after we are saved... (born again)... Not at all, Its just that the distinction has to be clearly understood that "Faith is accepted by God" to then Justify you through your faith, by the Cross of Christ.
Water is not a part of that...
Water Baptism is what we do later, AFTER we are saved., born again.

You BELIEVE....and GOD accepts this FAITH to then give you Salvation.
Then, being saved, born again, you can get water baptized.

Also, Paul called the Gospel of the Grace of God... "MY Gospel".. .He called it HIS= 3x.
They all partook of water baptism .
Paul , peter and all preached the identical same gospel to jews as they did to greeks and all .
IT is the same gospel . ONLY one gospel . Only ONE gospel whereby a jew or gentile is saved .
Its not the act of water that saves , but water baptism was attached . We already know
what saves , ITS FAITH IN JESUS . IF our faith is true then we would surely be doers and hearers of all things Christ and the apostles taught .
That is true though . Water baptism is something we DO , AFTER WE are saved . YOU RIGHT ABOUT THAT ONE .
Cause even phillip told the eunach something .
Watch this .
The eunach beleived and then they came nigh to water and he said SEE here is water , now what does HINDER ME
to be baptized . AND what did phillip tell him .
Was it A or B or C .
A , WELL you HAVE TO BE WATER BATPIZED before you are saved.
B . WELL nothing does , lets just go down and get us a dunk .
C . IF YE BELIEVE With all your heart , YE MAY BE . Exactly . ITS C . Water means naught without FAITH IN CHRIST and that is fact .
BELIEVE YE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND . THAT SAVES YA . THEN GO YE and get water batpized as well as the early church all did .
 
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Its the same Savior, and the same Cross, but its not the same Gospel.

Paul's Gospel, is "The Gospel of the Grace of God.".. He ads no water to it.
Paul also said this..>"Christ sent me NOT to water Baptize".
Peter added water to his, in Acts 2.
You didnt notice that, but now you will.
Does this mean that we should not get water baptized after we are saved... (born again)... Not at all, Its just that the distinction has to be clearly understood that "Faith is accepted by God" to then Justify you through your faith, by the Cross of Christ.
Water is not a part of that...
Water Baptism is what we do later, AFTER we are saved., born again.

You BELIEVE....and GOD accepts this FAITH to then give you Salvation.
Then, being saved, born again, you can get water baptized.

Also, Paul called the Gospel of the Grace of God... "MY Gospel".. .He called it HIS= 3x.
Yeah its my gospel too . That dont mean he preached a different gospel to the jews as he did to the gentiles .
The gospel of JESUS CHRIST , IS MY GOSPEL TOO .
 
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"leaving the faith"... is not losing salvation, as if you gave God your faith, one time, then God gave you His Salvation, that is eternal.

However, the UNDERSTANDING regarding how to understand and exist in REAL FAITH, can become "darkened", in a born again believer.
Paul talks about this in Galatians 3, as they left the real faith...= the UNDERSTANDING of the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Paul said '"you started in the Spirit and now you try to continue in the Flesh".

That means, they once understood that Jesus kept them saved, that Jesus Himself IS their Salvation... but they lost that understanding..."fallen from Grace".... and now they are trying to stay saved and go to heaven, based on "flesh", = Works, commandment keeping, water baptism, ... anything but simple TRUST in CHRIST..= to keep them saved.
They do not believe that Jesus keeps them saved. They can't any longer as their mind has become darkened by deception. "bewitched", as Paul describes it.

This believer has lost the understanding that is the "simplicity that is found IN CHRIST".. and are now trying to not lose their salvation, by self effort.
= Legalism.
If you talk to a person who is "fallen from Grace, "deceived", in the flesh"...>"bewitched", They will say....."as long as i DO THIS,, and as long as i DONT Do THAT..... i will go to heaven".
See the "Do's and Donts'? That is their SAVIOR, and that is Not JESUS.
That is not real faith in Christ, that is SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, ....= trying to make self RIGHT with God... and that faith is broken....."fallen FROM Grace".

Salvation is God's Righteousness, given as "the Gift of Righteousness" that is our Eternal Salvation.
God's Salvation is Christ on the Cross, and once this is applied to you, its DONE.
However, its very easy to lose this knowledge and get swept away from this Real faith, into Self SAVING.
A person or a denomination or a cult, will cause you to lose the right understanding of Salvation that is a GIFT from God.
When they do this to you, Pauls says...>"who has BEWITCHED YOU< that you no longer OBEY the Truth".

Who will do this to you?

A.) Forums are filled with these people.
B.) Pulpits are filled with these people.

Its Anyone who believes they can lose their salvation, as that person, is "fallen from Grace" and cannot teach the True Gospel, as they have left it, they are "bewitched", and they will do the same to you, and have...if you believe you can lose your Salvation.

Actually Be that is an easily understood passage sir:
(Hebrews 6:4-6) . . .For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit 5 and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, 6 but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame. . .

When the Bible says it sir, I believe it.