How to understand... The Lamb's book of life

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You said, 'To avoid death, humans walk counter to the way that they were walking originally'. And then you said, 'We cannot do anything to save ourselves'. Well, which one is it????
And then you said, 'Salvation is complete when that direction ends in their life', ...which flippin' direction are you talking about at this point, the former or the latter???
My mistake TTF, for even engaging with you. You sound completely out-there.

Best I have read of you, DNB.
Not even "I believe" can be said to be one's own work or act of confession or faith.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I was looking for a simple Answer.

Question: WHO exactly is the Holy Spirit?
Answer: God.

Question: WHO exactly is Christ?
Answer:
The POWER of God.
The SEED of God.
The WISDOM of God.
The SAVIOR.
The QUICKENING Spirit of God.
(More)

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Gal 3:
[16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Luke 2:
[11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

1 Cor 15:
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made aquickening spirit.

Is the Holy Spirit of God...and Christ NOT One God?

Glory to God,
Taken

It seems there is one thing not given deserved attention, that we have to do with God, that we stand creature to Creator and not creator over against Creature---, which puts us in a very awkward and vulnerable spot. Simply: We cannot grasp God, dissect him and study the entrails like heathen and CHRISTIANS I SAW ON TV, to this day do with idolatrous BLOOD sacrifices. We cannot do it physically and we can do it even less 'spiritually' or mentally or conceptional or cerebral, and LEAST, 'theologically'.

The ONLY way God is understood is how He, makes Himself understood, never to just anybody who asks questions or muses about 'Deity', BUT THROUGH THE WAY, THE WORD OF GOD according to HIS OWN WILL AS WELL AS OWN DOING: "by the Son".

THEREFORE, of course the Holy Spirit of God and Christ ARE One God CONFESSED in Christian Confession ONLY: God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and to ask: <<Is the Holy Spirit of God...and Christ NOT One God?>> IS pure speculation given birth by the goddess of Scepticism and Wisdom of the world.

 

[Taken]

... to ask: << Is the Holy Spirit of God...and Christ NOT One God?>> IS pure speculation given birth by the goddess of Scepticism and Wisdom of the world.

Disagree.
It was a question to an other poster.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The word erroneously translated "before" is the Greek [apo] which never means "before", but distancing away from, or in better English, "since" or "from" the beginning of the world. According to Greek lexicons (Perschbacher, Moulton, Bauer, Liddell and Scott), the word "from" in both of these passages which is the Greek word "apo," does not carry the idea of "at" or “before.” Perschbacher states in agreement with the others, “apo, prep., forth, from; hence, it variously signifies departure; distance of time or place, avoidance; riddance; derivation from a quarter, source, or material…” Bauer states, 2. of time from--(on), since…” Liddell and Scott has "later of Time, from, after, since." Notice that “at” or “before” are not even listed. The sense of "apo" is "away from," never "before." In spite of these facts, many translations use “before” as the meaning; (see the Living Bible, RSV, TEV, on both 13:8 and 17:8). One could easily see that this is driven by theological presupposition and bias rather than lexical fact. There is no finished Book "at" or "before" the foundation of the world.

So much for the tower of presumption built upon the sands of the word "before" in Revelation 13:8, 17:8.

Wow...where did you come from? It's nice to meet you. :)

 

[Candidus]

Wow...where did you come from? It's nice to meet you. :)

Thanks for the nice greeting! I'm just glad that it is not a "Wow! You're an Idiot!" ;)

I know that I can be difficult at times. Sometimes it is intentional to match the dogmatism on the other side. Forums stretch my thinking and gives me opportunity to dig a little deeper on some things that I many not have investigated thoroughly before. There is always something to learn. Blessings.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The word erroneously translated "before" is the Greek [apo] which never means "before", but distancing away from, or in better English, "since" or "from" the beginning of the world. According to Greek lexicons (Perschbacher, Moulton, Bauer, Liddell and Scott), the word "from" in both of these passages which is the Greek word "apo," does not carry the idea of "at" or “before.” Perschbacher states in agreement with the others, “apo, prep., forth, from; hence, it variously signifies departure; distance of time or place, avoidance; riddance; derivation from a quarter, source, or material…” Bauer states, 2. of time from--(on), since…” Liddell and Scott has "later of Time, from, after, since." Notice that “at” or “before” are not even listed. The sense of "apo" is "away from," never "before." In spite of these facts, many translations use “before” as the meaning; (see the Living Bible, RSV, TEV, on both 13:8 and 17:8). One could easily see that this is driven by theological presupposition and bias rather than lexical fact. There is no finished Book "at" or "before" the foundation of the world.

So much for the tower of presumption built upon the sands of the word "before" in Revelation 13:8, 17:8.

Do you really believe this also in Luke 24:21c?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We cannot do anything to save ourselves period.

Justice M Sebola
Which is true gospel?
A. Faith + Goodworks > Born Again.
B. Faith Alone > Born again + goodworks.
C. Born Again > Faith Alone
D. Born again > Faith Alone + Good works.
E. Another gospel.

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
Ingenious.
A = Roman Catholicism and Charismaticism.
B = Pelagianism.
C = Arminianism and liberal Protestantism.
D = conservative Protestantism and Legalism.
E = Paul's Gospel = The True and only Gospel of Jesus Christ "the Power of GOD to save” = Predestination and Election.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Without Him within us, WE ARE NOT saved.

Maybe it's so, but need not be, better not be, that we may be IN HIM and doubtless be saved. The ear creeper is back, I see.

 

[Timtofly]

Justice M Sebola
Which is true gospel?
A. Faith + Goodworks > Born Again.
B. Faith Alone > Born again + goodworks.
C. Born Again > Faith Alone
D. Born again > Faith Alone + Good works.
E. Another gospel.

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
Ingenious.
A = Roman Catholicism and Charismaticism.
B = Pelagianism.
C = Arminianism and liberal Protestantism.
D = conservative Protestantism and Legalism.
E = Paul's Gospel = The True and only Gospel of Jesus Christ "the Power of GOD to save” = Predestination and Election.

We can do lots of work to remove ourselves from God’s plan of salvation.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We can do lots of work to remove ourselves from God’s plan of salvation.

If that's ok for you that's ok for you.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

and candy dust, when do I hear from thou?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Without Him within us, WE ARE NOT saved.

Without Him, God the Holy Spirit WITHOUT us, we are not saved. Now that is the status quo truth.