How to Walk in Righteousness

[stunnedbygrace]

Again you are not rightly dividing. It says it would be more tolerable for those heathen cities....it doesn't say they would be spared from perishing.

Okay. So then, if the men who rejected the Savior that came to them will be cast into the lake of fire and the men of Sodom, who didn’t have the Savior sent to them and didn’t see the miracles, will be thrown into that same exact lake of fire, how does He say it will be more tolerable on that judgement day for Sodom if both are in the same lake of fire?

 

[Lizbeth]

He is not a respecter of persons. In every nation the one who fears Him and does what is right is acceptable to Him.
Caring about your neighbor at least as much as you care about yourself is acceptable to Him. And it is doing what is right.

There is no partiality with God. For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Law who will be justified.14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirementsof the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus.

Not rightly dividing AGAIN. It's talking about believing Gentiles as opposed to Jews who all heard the Law for hundreds of years but weren't all necessarily being doers of it. Believing Gentiles never heard the Law and hadn't been taught by it, but when they received Jesus they nevertheless became doers of the Law 'instinctively' because the Law was written on their hearts. Amazing how people will read into the scriptures things that aren't there in order to prop up their false pet doctrines.

 

[Lizbeth]

The heathen city of Nineveh was spared....

"The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here."

You have to learn HOW to rightly divide the word.

Yes. Notice that they were spared because they REPENTED and began to worship the one true God.

 

[Episkopos]

Not rightly dividing AGAIN.

Oh, the irony

It's talking about believing Gentiles as opposed to Jews who all heard the Law for hundreds of years but weren't all necessarily being doers of it.

Are you saying some were?

Believing Gentiles never heard the Law and hadn't been taught by it, but when they received Jesus they nevertheless became doers of the Law 'instinctively' because the Law was written on their hearts.

That's not what Paul said. In every nation there have ALWAYS been the righteous..who follow their conscience.

Amazing how people will read into the scriptures things that aren't there in order to prop up their false pet doctrines.

Exactly!!!!! More religious propaganda.

 

[Episkopos]

Yes. Notice that they were spared because they REPENTED and began to worship the one true God.

You are missing the point as per usual. Repentance is an act of righteousness. The righteous are humble and teachable. Not so the religious. So the the people of Nineveh will rise up on that day and condemn those of this generation who had the words of Jesus but refused to repent.

Open your eyes and Christ will give you light.

 

[Lizbeth]

Okay. So then, if the men who rejected the Savior that came to them will be cast into the lake of fire and the men of Sodom, who didn’t have the Savior sent to them and didn’t see the miracles, will be thrown into that same exact lake of fire, how does He say it will be more tolerable on that judgement day for Sodom if both are in the same lake of fire?

2Co 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Apparently the punishments will fit the crimes, with God weighing/judging all the surrounding circumstances as well. Eg, the passage where it talks about some receiving more or fewer stripes.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are missing the point as per usual. Repentance is an act of righteousness. The righteous are humble and teachable. Not so the religious. So the the people of Nineveh will rise up on that day and condemn those of this generation who had the words of Jesus but refused to repent.

Open your eyes and Christ will give you light.

Repentance is turning from away from sin unto God. Thus becoming righteous.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Apparently the punishments will fit the crimes, with God weighing/judging all the surrounding circumstances as well. Eg, the passage where it talks about some receiving more or fewer stripes.

So…you would be better off in the torment of fire if you were not being beaten so much at the same time as another man in that same torment of fire who was also simultaneously being beaten very badly…?

 

[Episkopos]

Repentance is turning from away from sin unto God. Thus becoming righteous.

Repentance from obvious sins unto God unto righteousness. Muslims do it, Jews do it, Hindus do it....it's much more common than people (religious) realize. In fact, that's the only level that most Christians operate on. And there is nothing wrong with turning from sins unto God...going to church, cleaning up one's life. It's very common. Don't despise the day of small beginnings. So then those who condemn what others do..which is the very same thing they are doing...only succeed in condemning themselves. Judge not lest you be judged.

I'm here to warn people and wake them up to eternal truth and reality.

 

[Lizbeth]

Imagine a little girl in Bangladesh, her parents are Hindu. To honour her parents, she does whatever Hindus do. She lives a poor life and dies in poverty in a drought.

God in His mercy sees the girl...a girl who suffered her whole life and died of hunger.

Will He not now feed her for eternity.??? Remember Zaccheus who lived in poverty outside the gates of the rich man?

Would you, in your mercy consign that little girl to hell because she didn't go to church? She didn't hear the gospel...at 9 years old?

God has mercy on the merciful. The religious (idolators) He casts away.

So what's it gonna be?

I'm not consigning anyone anywhere. That is the same tired old false accusation one always hears from those who believe as you do. Mercy on our part would mean feeding the child and telling her about Jesus, yes? And leave God to judge and consign whoever to wherever He RIGHTEOUSLY judges they should be. He doesn't judge by outward appearances and emotionalism, He knows a lot more about what goes on in a person's heart (even a child's) than we do. There are even sins akin to witchcraft that very young children can commit. The heart is DECEITFULLY WICKED, who can know it?

You know why there is so much suffering in this world....because the whole world lies under His wrath. Think about that......it is the LORD who allows all this suffering under His sovereign watch. Are you going to call HIM unrighteous and judgmental?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Are you saying some were?

I would like to hear her answer to that.

 

[Lizbeth]

Repentance from obvious sins unto God unto righteousness. Muslims do it, Jews do it, Hindus do it....it's much more common than people (religious) realize. In fact, that's the only level that most Christians operate on. And there is nothing wrong with turning from sins unto God...going to church, cleaning up one's life. It's very common. Don't despise the day of small beginnings. So then those who condemn what others do..which is the very same thing they are doing...only succeed in condemning themselves. Judge not lest you be judged.

I'm here to warn people and wake them up to eternal truth and reality.

And who said there was something wrong with turning from sins unto God....that is another false accusation you like to season your replies with.

The bible says if you have not the son you have not the Father either. So you tell me which "god" these hypothetical Muslims and Hindus are supposedly turning to.....if it isn't Jesus it isn't the one true God, because Jesus said HE is the only way to the Father. If it is Jesus, then amen and heaven rejoices. But if not....then they are not saved.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

When asked, what must I do to have eternal life, He answered from among the tablet that says to care for others at least as much as you care for yourself.

When the man Said, I’ve done those, what else do I lack, He said, well if you want to be perfect, sell all you have and follow Me.

You aren't rightly dividing the word.

 

[Lizbeth]

I would like to hear her answer to that.

Who is "her"? Do I not merit a name just because you don't agree with me?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Oh for Pete’s sake…

 

[Episkopos]

I'm not consigning anyone anywhere. That is the same tired old false accusation one always hears from those who believe as you do. Mercy on our part would mean feeding the child and telling her about Jesus, yes? And leave God to judge and consign whoever to wherever He RIGHTEOUSLY judges they should be. He doesn't judge by outward appearances and emotionalism, He knows a lot more about what goes on in a person's heart (even a child's) than we do. There are even sins akin to witchcraft that very young children can commit. The heart is DECEITFULLY WICKED, who can know it?

You know why there is so much suffering in this world....because the whole world lies under His wrath.

This is false. The whole world is under the influence of the devil...especially the religious institutions that are used to justify the flesh. But God so LOVED the world. Your religious gospel has God so HATING the world that everyone is under wrath unless they agree with your dogmatic indoctrination. Very dangerous stuff.

Think about that......it is the LORD who allows all this suffering under His sovereign watch. Are you going to call HIM unrighteous and judgmental?

I depend on you to misrepresent God at every turn.

 

[Episkopos]

And who said there was something wrong with turning from sins unto God....that is another false accusation you like to season your replies with.

The bible says if you have not the son you have not the Father either. So you tell me which "god" these hypothetical Muslims and Hindus are supposedly turning to.....if it isn't Jesus it isn't the one true God, because Jesus said HE is the only way to the Father. If it is Jesus, then amen and heaven rejoices. But if not....then they are not saved.

Religious propaganda. God allows people to get His name wrong. You are confusing God with Rumpelstiltskin.

 

[APAK]

Repentance is turning from away from sin unto God. Thus becoming righteous.

Yes repentance is never an act of righteousness. The act of repentance by/from faith to God produces the fruit of righteousness.

 

[Episkopos]

Yes repentance is never an act of righteousness. The act of repentance by/from faith to God produces the fruit of righteousness.

You are saying we are not responsible for our own actions and sins...that God is a puppet Master? How long have you embraced Calvinism?

You are trying to punch above your weight here. You have exceeded your level of understanding.

To rightly divide the word you'd have to see that righteousness has more than one level. Even a child can learn to do right. Are you saying God is responsible for children's disobedience...or just adults?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Not rightly dividing AGAIN. It's talking about believing Gentiles as opposed to Jews who all heard the Law for hundreds of years but weren't all necessarily being doers of it. Believing Gentiles never heard the Law and hadn't been taught by it, but when they received Jesus they nevertheless became doers of the Law 'instinctively' because the Law was written on their hearts. Amazing how people will read into the scriptures things that aren't there in order to prop up their false pet doctrines.

For when Gentiles who do not have the Law instinctively perform the requirementsof the Law, these, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus.

So you think the gentiles being spoken of here are believers? You think God doesn’t write His law on any hearts but believers…?

Even unbelievers, by their conscience and the law of God written on their heart, can instinctively know when something is not right or fair or good.