How to Walk in Righteousness

[Michiah-Imla]

What if the righteous were already accepted...it was the sinners He came to convince to repent from their ways?

I know what you’re getting at.

But when Jesus said:

“…I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (Matthew 9:13)

In the context of the New Testament holy scriptures the “righteous” here are those seeking their own righteousness:

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:20)

The way to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees is to accept this righteousness:

“…that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith…” (Philippians 3:9)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.” (John 9:40-41)

 

[ChristisGod]

That's right. Have you read in the Song of Solomon.?.."I am my beloveds..and my beloved is mine"

I belong to my wife and my wife belongs to me. Do you have a wife? Is she yours....???

This is about an intimate union of Christ and His Bride...not about the salvation of the world.

That cannot happen apart from the new birth with Christ,

 

[ChristisGod]

yes!

so is eternal life eternal or is it conditional?

how is one born again, made a child of God

Through faith in the gospel message about Christ and repentance from sin ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ). When we believe/repent, confess Jesus is Lord ( Romans 10:9-13) we become children of God ( John 1:12-13 ) through the word of God in the new birth- ( 1 Peter 1:23 )

Repentance

Acts 5:31-32
God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 3


Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life."

2 Tim 2:25
Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

 

[Johann]

Through faith in the gospel message about Christ and repentance from sin ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ). When we believe/repent, confess Jesus is Lord ( Romans 10:9-13) we become children of God ( John 1:12-13 ) through the word of God in the new birth- ( 1 Peter 1:23 )

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Paul here quotes Joe_3:5 (Joe_2:32, lxx).
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

1Pe 1:22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,
1Pe 1:23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
1Pe 1:24 for “All flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls,
1Pe 1:25 but the word of the Lord remains forever.” And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

Sorry for typing this out, I have found some don't actually read the Scripture quotations--there are more scripture references, but this will suffice.

All scriptures quotations from the ESV--and please, don't tell me how "wrong" the ESV is.

Shalom
J.

 

[amigo de christo]

I think anyone who has not the Spirit will not inherit eternal life, regardless of who they are - because that is what God's word teaches. I just believe what the bible says. Paul wrote that who has not the Spirit does not belong to Christ. And that we are to have no fellowship with them but come out from among them. (Doesn't mean to be unkind or judgmental and unloving, etc, but not to be unequally yoked... what fellowship does Christ have with Belial, what fellowship can believers have with people of the world.)

I don't understand what you mean about the Israelites being Jews, but yes I agree with the verse you posted and often refer to it myself. It was talking about the Jews/Israel who needed to believe (have faith) in Yeshua to enter God's rest.....and it says that we or they who believe HAVE entered that rest.

(Though it might be talking on another level to those who already believe, as well....and "IF" that is correct, it certainly must not be understood in a way that contradicts anything written. "Believe unto" or "believe into" speaks to me of already having belief/faith but that our faith needs to grow in order to believe "into" and apprehend and walk in the totality of what is ours. Growing up "into" the Head which is Christ.)

Thats right stay planted in sound doctrine sister . If anything is hard to be understood and someone comes
along and then tries to give meaning to it , YET that meaning contradicts that which is CLEARLY known and understood ,
that means its dead wrong . Take a look at what is going on in this church age .
It seems as though the very dire need of Christ is continually being chipped away and replaced with
this so called love works gospel . This is the plan .
I can go back as far as two thousand and watch what their own mouths said .
They said the main obstacle in they way to world peace is BIBLICAL CHRISTANITY
and they went to work to chip away at the fundmental truth .
The goal was to get the religoins , ALL religoins to unite under common ground .
But to do that you have to chip away at the core tenants . Cause we cant have folks thinking THEIR WAY is the ONLY WAY TO GOD .
They have not just been doing this within christanity but also the other religoins .
Its why they pushed in all inclusive and this other love that unites them . SEE the LOVE that comes from GOD
UNITES TRUE LAMBS , this other love unites ALL RELIGOINS to be as one .
They used seeker friendly and other tatics to also destroy the way true evangelism is done .
To have a unified world religion , the people cannot be individuals nor see their way as the ONLY WAY
Instead you have to break down all the religions , FIND what theydo have in common . PREACH on that
and continue to plant doubts like there cant be only ONE WAY to GOD . THEY Did this for years
and its grown massive now . WE MUST stick to FAITH IN CHRIST as the only gospel message that can save .
IT will meet much resistance . BUT SO it did during the times of paul and others and this is just how it is .
THE WORLD isnt gonna embrace the true version of CHRISTANITY . THE SHEEP WILL but those who reject it
will despise it . JESUS didnt come to send world peace on this earth . yet epi and pope francis sure seem to think
that was the case . WHEN did JESUS ever say i am not the only way to GOD , other religions have their way to GOD
as long as they love one another . HE NEVER said that . TRUTH IS HE said quite the opposite . WE must stay the course .
epi is well trained in the ways of the inclusivians . THEY pick and pick andtwist and slowly twist
till they confuse you and eventually folks fall for it . WE must not . Stay the glorious course in CHRIST .
And let all that has breath praise and thank the glorious LORD

 

[ChristisGod]

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Paul here quotes Joe_3:5 (Joe_2:32, lxx).
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

1Pe 1:22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,
1Pe 1:23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
1Pe 1:24 for “All flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls,

The forum use to reference a scripture when it was used. For instance if I posted this : John 1:1 then if you hovered over it with the mouse you would see the verse- In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

 

[Johann]

The forum use to reference a scripture when it was used. For instance if I posted this : John 1:1 then if you hovered over it with the mouse you would see the verse- In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

Is this feature still operative?

 

[ChristisGod]

Is this feature still operative?

I'm not seeing it working anymore.

 

[amigo de christo]

He still needs confronted by his racist remarks.. Hold him accountable

He needs to quickly repent of this other gospel . And rather preach CHRIST JESUS as the means to be saved .
The goal of the world is to unite all the different religions . IT has been .
So they went to work to slowly begin to break down core tenants .
They also found what all religoins have in common , like good works
THEY then preached continually on the things they have in common and the while they
continue breaking down the fundamental truth of core tenants .
THIS is what they do . In order to attain a world religoin
you cant have any religoin thinking ITS WAY is the only way to GOD .
Now we know the other religoins ways are false . BUT we also know the CHRISTAIN WAY IS TRUE .
That in truth JESUS IS the only way to the FATHER .
But they went to work to change that mindset . As i said they have been working
through ALL religions . Not just christanity but the muslim one and etc .
They push this love , but its a love that unites us with darkness , with other religions
and with contrary mindsets . All the while they focused not on sound doctrine
but rather talking points and had goals to transform the religoins from within .
TO have them find a common ground . Well this other love and good works , IS THE COMMON ground .
And again in order to get us to unite , they had to teach and chip away at the fundamental truth
till folks no longer see their religoin , their way AS THE ONLY WAY but rather they see this new way of this other love
as the way to GOD . They did their work and continue to do so .
They chipped away at CHRIST till now at most he is seen more and more as only A WAY and not THE ONLY WAY to GOD .
Lambs dont fall for it . but many have . We must arise and contend for the true faith of the glorious gospel of our LORD .
Teaching all things HE did teach and say . HE alone IS THE ONLY HOPE . THE ONLY NAME whereby one may be saved .
Obviously peter , james , paul , john , THEY HAD that sense of urgency . WELL SO MUST WE .
SO must we . FOR the GOSPEL OF GOD , OF CHRIST , IS THE way GOD has chosen to save the world .
Paul knew that . Cornleious learned that . As peter too was sent to HIM to preach to him words
whereby HE and has houseshold could be saved . The early church KNEW THE DIRE importance of preaching CHRIST
but it sure seems this latter age knows not that sense of urgency . HIT the TRENCHES
if we love the peoples we point them to CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Through faith in the gospel message about Christ and repentance from sin ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ). When we believe/repent, confess Jesus is Lord ( Romans 10:9-13) we become children of God ( John 1:12-13 ) through the word of God in the new birth- ( 1 Peter 1:23 )

Repentance

Acts 5:31-32
God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 3


Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life."

2 Tim 2:25
Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Contend for the true faith . We cannot let epi take the ground . This has truly destroyed many places from within .
Remember the sense of dire urgency we read about in the bible . THOSE MEN KNEW THE ONLY WAY TO BE
saved and they never gave any path any MIND at all . ONLY JESUS . they preached JESUS .
and we must too . This generation is being taken in mind and in heart by another way which claims many ways to GOD .
ITS A LIE . Only the dragon would produce a love that comes along to convince people that THE DIRE NEED to believe in CHRIST
is not necessary , only love and good works are . ITS A LIE .
We already know that a true lamb does good works by the SPIRIT . And no lamb calleth JESUS accursed .
NO LAMB would deny HIM as the only way . THEY KNOW HIM . And HE they follow .
We must teach all things HE and later the apostels left us in said bible . THIS is a war and tis truly for the souls of men .
THERE is a very power delusion fast taking hold . IT sounds good to the carnal mind
cause the enemy has fed the idea of a love that actually does feed the flesh . IT gives out a false hope
and it denies CHRIST as the only way to GOD . We must CONTEND For the true faith .
And we must have that sense of urgency that the true christains have had from the days of pentecost .
THEY KNEW , THEY KNEW JESUS was the ONLY WAY TO GOD . WE MUST be firmly fixed and firmly convinced of THIS VERY TRUTH .
For a tidal wave of a delusion , a flood of great deception is flooding places and taking captive many to a lie which cannot
and will not save them. ONLY JESUS SAVES , SO BELIEVE YE IN HIM and learn HIM WELL .
Repeat ONLY JESUS SAVES SO BELIEVE YE IN HIM . For no matter how kind and caring this other lie sounds
IT IS A LIE . The serpent made it seem GOOD at the tree to disobey GOD
SO marvel not that he make something sound good to get us to DISOBEY HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .

 

[amigo de christo]

Is this feature still operative?

the lambs shall contend for the true faith . Let the KING be praised . onward in the trenches .

 

[Johann]

Contend for the true faith . We cannot let epi take the ground . This has truly destroyed many places from within .
Remember the sense of dire urgency we read about in the bible . THOSE MEN KNEW THE ONLY WAY TO BE
saved and they never gave any path any MIND at all . ONLY JESUS . they preached JESUS .
and we must too . This generation is being taken in mind and in heart by another way which claims many ways to GOD .
ITS A LIE . Only the dragon would produce a love that comes along to convince people that THE DIRE NEED to believe in CHRIST
is not necessary , only love and good works are . ITS A LIE .
We already know that a true lamb does good works by the SPIRIT . And no lamb calleth JESUS accursed .
NO LAMB would deny HIM as the only way . THEY KNOW HIM . And HE they follow .
We must teach all things HE and later the apostels left us in said bible . THIS is a war and tis truly for the souls of men .
THERE is a very power delusion fast taking hold . IT sounds good to the carnal mind
cause the enemy has fed the idea of a love that actually does feed the flesh . IT gives out a false hope
and it denies CHRIST as the only way to GOD . We must CONTEND For the true faith .
And we must have that sense of urgency that the true christains have had from the days of pentecost .
THEY KNEW , THEY KNEW JESUS was the ONLY WAY TO GOD . WE MUST be firmly fixed and firmly convinced of THIS VERY TRUTH .
For a tidal wave of a delusion , a flood of great deception is flooding places and taking captive many to a lie which cannot
and will not save them. ONLY JESUS SAVES , SO BELIEVE YE IN HIM and learn HIM WELL .
Repeat ONLY JESUS SAVES SO BELIEVE YE IN HIM . For no matter how kind and caring this other lie sounds
IT IS A LIE . The serpent made it seem GOOD at the tree to disobey GOD
SO marvel not that he make something sound good to get us to DISOBEY HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .

Simply love your pathos for the TRUTH--as stands written in Scriptures, and not man-made ideologies.
May your words reverberate into the hardened hearts.
J.

 

[Episkopos]

In history, we see that when people get out of touch with reality....disaster follows.

We have the story of Marie Antoinette..who, we are told.. when she heard the peasants had no more bread...she replied...well. let them eat cake!

Regardless of what she really said or not said...she was put to death for her excesses.

Which brings us to the modern religion fashioned to some degree...greater or lesser.. on the bible. There are so many poor in the world.

We have the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Nowhere in the parable are we told what religious beliefs were held by either one. Why is that? Isn't the bible a religious recipe for justifying one's beliefs?

Apparently not.

It has to do with how we see others and treat others. Do we see and treat others with the same consideration as ourselves? Do we see mercy for us and condemnation for others...as in... If God loved those people He would have established a mega-church in their city.


Why didn't the rich man share what he had with Lazarus?

God is looking for righteousness. He is looking for mercy.

In the parable are we the rich man or Lazarus? Are we poor in spirit or are we rich?

Do we consider the righteous...or only those who have our beliefs? Do we take away from the righteousness of others to pad our own claims to righteousness?

Or can we see that there is enough righteousness to go around...as we move on into true riches.

The gospel is not...believe or perish. It is about being freed from the bondage to sin...and thus liberated into oneness with God.

But the "rich" don't believe that is possible. Rather they want to make the gospel about what they are already doing...now using the bible to justify themselves by their beliefs. Outrageous beliefs at that. Justifying the wicked and condemning the righteous?

Ill gotten gains.

God will come to restore truth and reality. Those who have stolen away righteousness from the righteous...will be cast out.

 

[amigo de christo]

Simply love your pathos for the TRUTH--as stands written in Scriptures, and not man-made ideologies.
May your words reverberate into the hardened hearts.
J.

Gotta love what paul once wrote . I pretended to know nothing among you , SAVE CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED .
WE gonna point to the KING my friend . And all the lovely reminders of HIS TRUTH . The simplicty in CHRIST .
But men have made this complex through ideologies of men that were meant to make only servants of MEN and not OF CHRIST .
People came in all right to draw away desciples after themselves . But the lambs do not hear nor heed them .
The lambs hear and heed the voice of the great shepard of the sheep . AND HE they shall follow . PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Some folks take their cues from historians and secular men .
but as for the lambs we shall take ours from the CHRIST OF GOD and the holy bible .

 

[Lizbeth]

why the "lol" @Lizbeth --are you finding Epi's deflecting answers amusing or are you a "free spirited" loving all.
Just curious.
J.

Thinking about how the life of a believer is sometimes hard to explain....from the world's point of view we look like sheep being slaughtered. Not so nice. The things we go through in this life in order to be broken.....the Lord takes away the things we used to rely on in order that His strength be perfected in weakness. No one would have thought that Jesus on the cross was a nice picture, and yet it meant the most tremendous paradigm-changing victory the world has ever seen. Thinking that the gospel is supposed to be something "nice" that pleases man and the flesh, as opposed to something that is true, which pleases God, is laughable. Not in a funny way, but in a kind of wry way.

 

[Lizbeth]

It’s about both of these things among others…

I don’t know what to make of the rest of the post. It has some truth to it mixed with seemingly strange language…

Please let me know what needs clarifying......was it what Zipporah said? That is in the bible....Moses told her to circumcise their son and that was her reply. Having our hearts circumcised is a painful and 'bloody' operation that costs us our flesh life. Jesus didn't promise us a rose garden, at least not in this life. The gospel is not just all rainbows and butterflies, but we are to count the cost of taking up our cross and following Him.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I think anyone who has not the Spirit will not inherit eternal life, regardless of who they are - because that is what God's word teaches. I just believe what the bible says

I have not found that it really says this anywhere. And there are some odd things our minds do and will get up to. And we actually marvel over those odd things we do, or can do, too. We pass them around the internet and laugh about them. Like…optical illusions/mind tricks and…how we can read something that has a large portion of the letters missing and fill in the blanks by the context or…along the lines of phonemic restoration or even how we can almost swear a person said something and they insist they didn’t say it. This last one has been a huge perplexity to me because I realized one day that my family really doesn’t listen intently to each other. There is a constant “you said it, no I didn’t,” thing going on between them all. Jesus understood this about us and even said, Be careful HOW you hear!

What my family does is they hear the first few words and then, strangely,……..fill in the rest themselves! They anticipate what they’re going to hear next and, based on “context” insert the thing they think they will hear next. It’s the most amazing thing. I spent long hours on it trying to figure out what the heck it was about.
The fact that we can do this “not listening intently” thing can lead to confusions, like in my family, but in a situation like a noisy background and still being able to understand what was said (phonemic restoration), it’s actually a helpful thing. But in the case of the latter, one is listening intently because they HAVE to and in the former case, where they don’t HAVE to listen intently, they don’t - they listen in a lazy way and jump ahead to finish for others!

So when you say you don’t think anyone who doesn’t have the down payment of the Spirit wI’ll inherit eternal life, you have done a mixture of listening intently at snippets and not listening intently at other pieces and splicing together segments, and “filling in“ in the same way as the example of my family.

But how to get you to see you have done it is the challenge. I’ve done it too and have then realized what I did, so you would think I could easily show you but it isn’t that easy - the ear is convinced it heard what wasn’t said!

Look at this verse. But look INTENTLY.
Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His;” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to keep away from wickedness.”

Do you see the quotation marks? Do they do anything? Do they actually connect the two snippets in some way? Or do they actually keep them separate for some particular reason?

 

[Episkopos]

I have not found that it really says this anywhere. And there are some odd things our minds do and will get up to. And we actually marvel over those odd things we do, or can do, too. We pass them around the internet and laugh about them. Like…optical illusions/mind tricks and…how we can read something that has a large portion of the letters missing and fill in the blanks by the context or…along the lines of phonemic restoration or even how we can almost swear a person said something and they insist they didn’t say it. This last one has been a huge perplexity to me because I realized one day that my family really doesn’t listen intently to each other. There is a constant “you said it, no I didn’t,” thing going on between them all. Jesus understood this about us and even said, Be careful HOW you hear!

What my family does is they hear the first few words and then, strangely,……..fill in the rest themselves! They anticipate what they’re going to hear next and, based on “context” insert the thing they think they will hear next. It’s the most amazing thing. I spent long hours on it trying to figure out what the heck it was about.
The fact that we can do this “not listening intently” thing can lead to confusions, like in my family, but in a situation like a noisy background and still being able to understand what was said (phonemic restoration), it’s actually a helpful thing. But in the case of the latter, one is listening intently because they HAVE to and in the former case, where they don’t HAVE to listen intently, they don’t - they listen in a lazy way and jump ahead to finish for others!

So when you say you don’t think anyone who doesn’t have the down payment of the Spirit wI’ll inherit eternal life, you have done a mixture of listening intently at snippets and not listening intently at other pieces and splicing together segments, and “filling in“ in the same way as the example of my family.

But how to get you to see you have done it is the challenge. I’ve done it too and have then realized what I did, so you would think I could easily show you but it isn’t that easy - the ear is convinced it heard what wasn’t said!

Look at this verse. But look INTENTLY.
Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His;” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to keep away from wickedness.”

Do you see the quotation marks? Do they do anything? Do they actually connect the two snippets in some way? Or do they actually keep them separate for some particular reason?

A great post. But because it is well thought out...it won't be seen as having as much importance as a dogmatic statement to rally an emotionally triggered response around.

The post you are responding to shows how misinterpretations take on more and more effect...like the way a snowball gathers more snow as it goes downhill.

So the downhill plunge into religion continues for these.

Does the NT cancel ALL the wisdom of the OT? Not at all...it is built on it. That's why I always go to the OT to find prophetic support for any fulfillment found in the NT.

Inheriting life? That's for the meek and the righteous....not just the born again ones.

Entering INTO life...eternal life right NOW....that is the high calling. That is what the spiritual in Christ are called to.

But since so few have experienced what salvation is according to the gospel...they will elbow out those who are to inherit life...to take that claim for themselves...in effect taking away the righteousness from the righteous...to justify themselves.