I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

[TinMan]

No one can resist sin completely outside of Christ. But in Christ, you have the power to live according to His will, and you choose whether you will or not, based largely on what is your degree of maturity in the Spirit, and do you have the faith to walk in the Spirit?

Does the drug addict have a choice to not use? Homosexuality is the same. In the flesh, we are slaves to sin. In the Spirit, we are free from sin. So be born again, and obtain freedom from sin. Walk in the Spirit, and in so doing, you will not fulfill the fleshy lusts.

Does that mean the flesh is no longer corrupt? No, but you don't have to live that corruption. Is homosexuality a corruption of the flesh? Absolutely yes!

Much love!

No one can become addicted to drugs without first having taken drugs several times. People are their orientations no matter if they have engaged in any sexual activity or not.

 

[marks]

People are their orientations no matter if they have engaged in any sexual activity or not.

I don't agree. And even if they are, it's still corruption of the flesh, to be overcome by the Spirit of God.

Much love!

 

[marks]

No one can become addicted to drugs without first having taken drugs several times.

Not so. I was an alcoholic from my very first drink. The doctors explained to me how that happens when I was in rehab.

Regarding same sex attraction disorder (SSAD), there are various factors that figure in, and if there is a genetic factor, it's not been found, but many other factors have been clearly identified.

Influences can be subtle and insidious. And there are so many people who want to abdicate responsibility for their choices, and claim, I was born this way.

Much love!

 

[Nhisname]

No one can become addicted to drugs without first having taken drugs several times. People are their orientations no matter if they have engaged in any sexual activity or not.

Jesus tells us thinking upon these activities is the same as doing them.

 

[Johann]

Jesus tells us thinking upon these activities is the same as doing them.

Some here are incapable of lapses of missing the mark--some have received an instantaneous sanctification--not ongoing, progressive--and some are sinlessly perfect--which group are you in?

 

[TinMan]

Not so. I was an alcoholic from my very first drink. The doctors explained to me how that happens when I was in rehab.

The science is pretty clear on how addiction happens. How it takes multiple dopamine surges due to the ingestion of a substance to form an addiction. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/preface

Regarding same sex attraction disorder (SSAD), there are various factors that figure in, and if there is a genetic factor, it's not been found,

A. Ganna, K.J.H. Verweij et al 2019 Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior Science Vol 365, Issue 6456 Identified several 8 such genes and postulate there are several times that number yet undiscovered.

but many other factors have been clearly identified.

what are they?

 

[marks]

The science is pretty clear on how addiction happens. How it takes multiple dopamine surges due to the ingestion of a substance to form an addiction. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/preface

I've studied this quite a bit, and there's more to the story than that. There are other ways addictions form. Maldevelopment of the brain can result in addictions to substances which replace the missing neurotransmitters and such.

In my case with alcohol, my metabolism was different, and when I drank that first pint of brandy, my first night drinking, at 14 years old, my body switched from seeking sugars from food, and began to seek sugars from alcohol. I was an alcoholic from day 1.

Reward addictions like you describe happen when the dopamine surges cause more dendrites, and they all want their dopamine. True for drugs, skydiving, pornography, violent TV, and this is corruption of the flesh.

A. Ganna, K.J.H. Verweij et al 2019 Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior Science Vol 365, Issue 6456 Identified several 8 such genes and postulate there are several times that number yet undiscovered.

Insights? Postulates? Sounds like they are reaching. Just like nailing Trump, first one to "prove" homosexuality is hard-wired will be the hero of the ungodly. And the bar will be set very low, yet no such proof exists.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I've studied this quite a bit, and there's more to the story than that. There are other ways addictions form. Maldevelopment of the brain can result in addictions to substances which replace the missing neurotransmitters and such.

In my case with alcohol, my metabolism was different, and when I drank that first pint of brandy, my first night drinking, at 14 years old, my body switched from seeking sugars from food, and began to seek sugars from alcohol. I was an alcoholic from day 1.

Reward addictions like you describe happen when the dopamine surges cause more dendrites, and they all want their dopamine. True for drugs, skydiving, pornography, violent TV, and this is corruption of the flesh.


Insights? Postulates? Sounds like they are reaching. Just like nailing Trump, first one to "prove" homosexuality is hard-wired will be the hero of the ungodly. And the bar will be set very low, yet no such proof exists.

Much love!

There is a cure . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST . I repeat there is a cure from the evils and etc of the flesh .
HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST . we dont have to be slaves to the flesh .
ITS HIGH TIME TO PREACH JESUS . HIGH TIME .

 

[TinMan]

Insights? Postulates? Sounds like they are reaching. Just like nailing Trump, first one to "prove" homosexuality is hard-wired will be the hero of the ungodly. And the bar will be set very low, yet no such proof exists.

Sounds like you didn't bother to look at it.

 

[marks]

Sounds like you didn't bother to look at it.

This is the "holy grail" of the ungodly. Trying to prove that "in the beginning, God made them male and female", and, "for this cause, the man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh", that this isn't real.

If someone can show this to be false, they are the hero of the ungodly, and will be championed and celebrated by the ungodly. And why?

Ephesians 5:31-32 KJV
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

For what cause?

Ephesians 5:30 KJV
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Because we are members of Christ's body, this is why we have marraige. We are members of Christ's body, and because of that, we are to cleave to our spouse, becoming one flesh.

John 17:21-23 KJV
21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The union of husband and wife is the closest thing in the material world showing unity as we have unity with Christ. And the ungodly are trying to tear that down, deceiving an entire generation.

Much love!

 

[TinMan]

This is the "holy grail" of the ungodly. Trying to prove that "in the beginning, God made them male and female", and, "for this cause, the man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh", that this isn't real.

If someone can show this to be false, they are the hero of the ungodly, and will be championed and celebrated by the ungodly. And why?

Ephesians 5:31-32 KJV
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

For what cause?

Ephesians 5:30 KJV
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Because we are members of Christ's body, this is why we have marraige. We are members of Christ's body, and because of that, we are to cleave to our spouse, becoming one flesh.

John 17:21-23 KJV
21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The union of husband and wife is the closest thing in the material world showing unity as we have unity with Christ. And the ungodly are trying to tear that down, deceiving an entire generation.

Much love!

Your dislike of the evidence doesn't change the evidence or does it excuse your refusal to look at evidence.

 

[marks]

Your dislike of the evidence doesn't change the evidence or does it excuse your refusal to look at evidence.

Actually, I attempted to look at your Science article, but there was no link, and I couldn't find it by searching. Only the Science Table of Contents for that issue but no article.

Your idea that I refuse to look at evidence is another of those personal presumptions. If you are in that habit, you may not be reaching verifiable conclusions.

And another presumption that I dislike evidence, no, I love evidence. Real evidence.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Your dislike of the evidence doesn't change the evidence or does it excuse your refusal to look at evidence.

Did you read the Bible verses I included? Did you have any comment?

Much love!

 

[TinMan]

Actually, I attempted to look at your Science article, but there was no link, and I couldn't find it by searching. Only the Science Table of Contents for that issue but no article.

Your idea that I refuse to look at evidence is another of those personal presumptions. If you are in that habit, you may not be reaching verifiable conclusions.

And another presumption that I dislike evidence, no, I love evidence. Real evidence.

Much love!

How strange. just putting the name of the study in google turned up hundreds of results

Here are the first seven: Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior - PubMed
https://www.researchgate.net/public...etic_architecture_of_same-sex_sexual_behavior
Large-Scale GWAS Reveals Insights into the Genetic Architecture of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior | Carolina Population Center
Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/227519401.pdf
Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior.
[PDF] Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior | Semantic Scholar


Enjoy the research

 

[TinMan]

Did you read the Bible verses I included? Did you have any comment?

Much love!

quoting the bible doesn't change facts into something else.

 

[marks]

quoting the bible doesn't change facts into something else.

That's true! And the Bible will tell you what else is true. Did you even read them?

Much love!

 

[marks]

How strange. just putting the name of the study in google turned up hundreds of results

Here are the first seven: Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior - PubMed
https://www.researchgate.net/public...etic_architecture_of_same-sex_sexual_behavior
Large-Scale GWAS Reveals Insights into the Genetic Architecture of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior | Carolina Population Center
Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/227519401.pdf
Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior.
[PDF] Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior | Semantic Scholar


Enjoy the research

Thank you! That was helpful!

Abstract​

Twin and family studies have shown that same-sex sexual behavior is partly genetically influenced, but previous searches for specific genes involved have been underpowered. We performed a genome-wide association study (GWAS) on 477,522 individuals, revealing five loci significantly associated with same-sex sexual behavior. In aggregate, all tested genetic variants accounted for 8 to 25% of variation in same-sex sexual behavior, only partially overlapped between males and females, and do not allow meaningful prediction of an individual's sexual behavior. Comparing these GWAS results with those for the proportion of same-sex to total number of sexual partners among nonheterosexuals suggests that there is no single continuum from opposite-sex to same-sex sexual behavior. Overall, our findings provide insights into the genetics underlying same-sex sexual behavior and underscore the complexity of sexuality.

Insights . . . postulates . . . and no "gay gene."

Much love!

 

[TinMan]

That's true! And the Bible will tell you what else is true. Did you even read them?

Much love!

Yes

The truth remains that orientation does have genetic factors and some of them have been found

 

[marks]

Yes

The truth remains that orientation does have genetic factors and some of them have been found

So which do you prefer, Biblical truth, or "insights and postulates", without any real scientific proof?

Science . . . what we know . . . observation and repeatability.

You cannot look at a person's genetics and tell if they are homosexual or heterosexual. The research you presented says that right up front in the abstract.

Yet the Biblical statement is plain.

Much love!

 

[TinMan]

Thank you! That was helpful!

Abstract​

Twin and family studies have shown that same-sex sexual behavior is partly genetically influenced, but previous searches for specific genes involved have been underpowered. We performed a genome-wide association study (GWAS) on 477,522 individuals, revealing five loci significantly associated with same-sex sexual behavior. In aggregate, all tested genetic variants accounted for 8 to 25% of variation in same-sex sexual behavior, only partially overlapped between males and females, and do not allow meaningful prediction of an individual's sexual behavior. Comparing these GWAS results with those for the proportion of same-sex to total number of sexual partners among nonheterosexuals suggests that there is no single continuum from opposite-sex to same-sex sexual behavior. Overall, our findings provide insights into the genetics underlying same-sex sexual behavior and underscore the complexity of sexuality.

Now try reading the whole thing and learn some more abut the "genetics underlying same-sex sexual behavior".

Insights . . . postulates . . . and no "gay gene."

No one with even a passing knowledge of genetics has ever thought there is a single "gay gene" it is a ridiculous idea that something as complex as love attraction romance and lifetime commitments are the result of a single gene.

What the study found was five genes that are linked to homosexuality.