David in NJ
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Dispensation doctrine is also from the Garden Serpent = using God's words against God's words
I do not relate to Christ as my King
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quietthinker
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I s'pose the fuzz exiting the mouth is a result of the cotton candy in the mind!
Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is God. I would consider this truth to be self-evident. He took on the form of man. The flesh is not an attribute of deity. God means the eternally existing infinite one. Jesus took on flesh at a specific, finite, and created time. His flesh is not eternal.
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Thank you.
Why dont you consider Him King of Kings?
1Timothy 6:13-15 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
Revelation 17:14 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and elect and faithful.”
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David in NJ
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It is seemingly sound in scripture but it actually DENIES the One Gospel for all nations.
It separates Jew from Gentile by falsely saying that there are two gospels - one for the Jew and a separate gospel for the Gentile
It does many twists and turns and also denies the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, by saying it was only for the Apostles and early church.
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He is the King of kings, but he is not my King, that is his Israel designation. I am not a subject of his, but I am his wife. I can't think of one passage in the NT where Jesus is identified as our King. He is the King of Israel. You can't cite any reference in the book of Revelation, because the Tribulation is the last 7 years of the Jewish dispensation. He is the King of the Jews, but not the Church.
The Father chose Jesus as his king
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
And He also said to Jesus
Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. (See Hebrews 1:2 also)
He is not a king of one nation but the heathen/ the Gentiles are for his inheritance
Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 6:30 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Romans 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
But if we just went with the prince of the kings of the earth, for example here
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,
and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
"Princess" might be more suitable
When Christ returns how is He described?
Rev 19
11 [p]And I saw [q]heaven open, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true, and he judgeth and fighteth righteously.
12 And his eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns: and he had a name written, that no man knew but himself.
13 And he was clothed with a garment dipped in blood, and his name is called, THE WORD OF GOD.
14 [r]And the hosts which were in heaven, followed him upon white horses, clothed with fine linen white and pure.
15 [s]And out of his mouth went out a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the heathen: for he shall rule them with a rod of iron, for he it is that treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 [t]And he hath upon his garment, and upon his thigh, a name written, THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Kings rule over you, so yes He is your king, and Kings have a kingdom, here called the Kingdom of God.
Psalm 2
1 Why do the [a]heathen rage, and the people murmur in vain.
2 The kings of the earth band themselves, and the Princes are assembled together against the Lord, and against his [b]Christ.
3 [c]Let us break their bands, and cast their cords from us.
4 But he that dwelleth in the heaven shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 [d]Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure, saying,
6 Even I have set my King upon Zion mine holy mountain.
7 I will declare the [e]decree: that is, the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this [f]day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the [g]ends of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt crush them with a scepter of iron, and break them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Psalm 2
1 Why do the [a]heathen rage, and the people murmur in vain.
2 The kings of the earth band themselves, and the Princes are assembled together against the Lord, and against his [b]Christ.
3 [c]Let us break their bands, and cast their cords from us.
4 But he that dwelleth in the heaven shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 [d]Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure, saying,
6 Even I have set my King upon Zion mine holy mountain.
7 I will declare the [e]decree: that is, the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this [f]day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the [g]ends of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt crush them with a scepter of iron, and break them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
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This is a reference to Christ's second coming to deliver the nation of Israel from their enemies. This coming is the long-awaited return of their Messiah prophesied throughout the OT to establish the eternal Kingdom. This is the kingdom that Christ presented to Israel at his first coming. Christ advised the Jews that he would not come again until Israel cried out, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."
Remember, the tribulation is the last 7 years of the Jewish Dispensation.
MA2444
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Me too, I noticed that. Oh they always have something clever to say but it stands that, they did not answer in the affirmative.
MA2444
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Then why isnt it self evident that Jesus is our King?
I heard a man's testimony one time and he said he was taken up in spirit and was escorted to Heaven for a visit. They came into a room (Throne room?) and many people and Angels were there and Jesus was talking to an Angel, so they stood quietly and waited. When they had finished talking he saw the Angel take a step or two backwards and then he turned to leave on his mission or whatever.
It was just a ine or two where he recounted this part but I found it very interesting. A protocol of Heaven perhaps. You don't turn your back to your King right in front of Him! Take a step back so it is evident that you're leaving without being rude.
Now in this discussion, I wonder, will that be our protocol with the King also at some point? Or the Bride don't have to show respect, or what? What kind of Bride is that, that don't respect her spouse? Is the (female) Bride not submissive and Love Him so much that she would call Him her King, even if she didn't have too?
I remember the early days of my marriage to my wife. She has called me her king before and I was right on top of it and said she is my queen...
What about your wife? Back when you were about to be married, if you said, ok let's make the date this date or that date? Did she say yes? Or did she say, well let me check my calendar and I'll see if that works for me?
Would you still have married her? I'm guessing no.
OK, then this should help, all kingdoms have a king.
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. "
So, then it is in heaven and God gave it to Him
I really do not see reason to object, are you not his subject in the kingdom of God?
In Pilate’s Court
28 Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the [f]Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover. 29 Pilate then went out to them and said, “What accusation do you bring against this Man?”30 They answered and said to him, “If He were not [g]an evildoer, we would not have delivered Him up to you.”
31 Then Pilate said to them, “You take Him and judge Him according to your law.”
Therefore the Jews said to him, “It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,” 32 that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled which He spoke, signifying by what death He would die.
33 Then Pilate entered the [h]Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
34 Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”
35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”
Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
38 Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, “I find no fault in Him at all.
Is there one passage in the Bible that teaches Christ is our (the Church) King? I haven't come across one.
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Believers will inherit the kingdom of God, includes the gentiles. All kingdoms have their king.
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
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