I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

[stunnedbygrace]

It's worse than that, it's heresy.

I think the man is just being silly, out of boredom perhaps. I think he is lollygagging to and fro in his imagination.

 

[reformed1689]

Then prove Jesus is not both the biological son of God and son of man.

Already did.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Then prove Jesus is not both the biological son of God and son of man.

Prove that YOU were born anew from heaven with the sperm of a man.

 

[Truther]

Prove that YOU were born anew from heaven with the sperm of a man.

Huh?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Huh?

Exactly.

 

[Truther]

Already did.

If you say Jesus is not the biological son of God, then is he the "spiritual" son of God?

If you say that Jesus is not the biological son of Mary, is he the "hypothetical" son of Mary?

 

[Truther]

I think the man is just being silly, out of boredom perhaps. I think he is lollygagging to and fro in his imagination.

No, just getting to the truth.

Most folks draw a blank stare when discussing the details of the so-called "incarnation", origin.

 

[Truther]

Did you folks know that Jesus was made flesh, then made a quickening spirit?

If he incarnated, then it was a double incarnation...from Spirit to flesh to spirit.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No, just getting to the truth.

Most folks draw a blank stare when discussing the details of the so-called "incarnation", origin.

Are you sure the blank stare isn't just shock at your audacity?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Did you folks know that Jesus was made flesh, then made a quickening spirit?

If he incarnated, then it was a double incarnation...from Spirit to flesh to spirit.

No...I think the verse you are thinking of compares and outlines the vast difference between adam and Jesus.

The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Jesus was this.....

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature....

But He was born after adam. How then is He the firstborn of every creature if He did not actually exist before adam?

 

[Truther]

No...I think the verse you are thinking of compares and outlines the vast difference between adam and Jesus.

The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

No, you changed it. The verse said the last Adam was MADE a quickening spirit.

 

[Truther]

But He was born after adam. How then is He the firstborn of every creature if He did not actually exist before adam?

God witnessed the birth and death of His son before anything was made. God is smart and can do that. God transcends time.

As a matter of fact, Adam was made in the image of the man Christ Jesus. Rom 5:14

 

[Truther]

Are you sure the blank stare isn't just shock at your audacity?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No, you changed it. The verse said the last Adam was MADE a quickening spirit.

That's my translation. NLT. I didn't change it, I just copied and pasted. But I will get bored too quickly if you leave the whole vista of scripture in order to focus on one word.

 

[Truther]

That's my translation. NLT. I didn't change it, I just copied and pasted. But I will get bored too quickly if you leave the whole vista of scripture in order to focus on one word.

That version is a mess. It is made by incarnation theory experts. The KJV is 400 years old and best for debates

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But you are a sport. You didn't get offended at my ribbing, which tells me that you aren't committed to this car but are just taking it for a test drive. So that's good.

 

[Truther]

But you are a sport. You didn't get offended at my ribbing, which tells me that you aren't committed to this car but are just taking it for a test drive. So that's good.

No offense ever. Debating is fun and only for seasoned thinkers.

The OP suggests that I am indeed test driving this subject.

I want folks to debunk me if it is incorrect, the I can go back to teach the God has a human nature again. Ick!

 

[Truther]

Nobody has presented Phil 2 yet.

Well?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No offense ever. Debating is fun and only for seasoned thinkers.

The OP suggests that I am indeed test driving this subject.

I want folks to debunk me if it is incorrect, the I can go back to teach the God has a human nature again. Ick!

How do you arrive at God having a fallen human nature just because He clothed Himself with flesh.