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  1. BarnyFife

    BarnyFife Well-Known Member

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    I don't feel like you really addressed the remarks you quoted from me. :(
     
  2. BarnyFife

    BarnyFife Well-Known Member

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    You got me all wrong, Friend. :(
     
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    David in NJ Well-Known Member

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    God has imposed on you that His name is found in Genesis and Exodus and is Permanently and Eteranly attached to THREE Persons.

    Who walked with Adam & Eve in the Garden? Was it the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit?
     
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    David in NJ Well-Known Member

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    Ok, minor blemish - love you and even wrangler my close friend on here.
     
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    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I don't see the harm either way.
     
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    You don't see any harm in a coercive ideology?

    In my view, it is always dangerous to go beyond the word of God. Frankly, there is no need to extrapolate. That trinitarianism relies on coercion is evidence of it not being divine.


    And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition.
    Mark 7:13 (NLT)
     
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    Hmmm. I did address the remarks you made. You asked, why especially, I explained. Then you spoke of what is genuine, and I explained.

    What would it take for you to feel like I did address the remarks you made? I really do want you to feel that I did respond, even if it was not agreeing with you.
     
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    I've never been coerced to accept trinitarianism.
     
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    That is possible but does not change the fact. Do you deny trinitarians have used coercion on this very forum and even this very thread?!

    If you compare the energy of trinitarian doctrine to, say soul sleep or OSAS, there is no comparison. I believe we are of the same mind on OSAS. But among such debates, I never recall any attempts to coerce. It's only on trinitarianism where people feel self-righteous enough to appeal to coercion. Very disturbing. One must violate the 1C or go to hell. :eek:
     
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    There is nothing in the text of 1C to especially include the trinity as another god as I see it.

    And I do not know that trinitarianism is not genuine for the reasons you cited.

    You seem to be lumping me in with a Catholic-like view of the Godhead to which I do not subscribe.


    :)
     
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    I do not deny it but I also do not know the extent to which coercion has been used.
    I diametrically disagree. In my mind, eternal security is perhaps the most hotly debated topics on this forum, with the only close rival being law and grace.

    I think you might be suffering from a biased view of the situation.


    :)
     
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    What is the coercion you speak of?
     
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    Son of Man is a Jewish title that means He is the Messiah- the Son of God.

    what do you mean by a V?
     
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    Yes it can be rendered that was also. If the tense of the Hebrew inf=nflects that. But when in the present it is I am who I am.
     
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    I am surprised you wouldn't know this. Because it was the pagans on Malta speaking and they believed in a pantheon of gods and assumed Paul was one of them.

    John 1:17 ? 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Did you mean 1:18?

    But if you wish I can get into all the boring details of Grammar and personal and impersonal nouns and how an anarthrous noun is determined to have an indefinite article added or not.
     
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    I am not sure WHO you believe YOUR WORD is...but MY WORD, IS ME, just as EVERY other "PART" of me, that I claim AS MINE..IS me.
    My blood, My heart, My hands, My stomach....mine, mine, mine....ME.
    So also is MY WORD...mine, ME.

    Gods THOUGHTS, Gods POWER, Gods HANDS, Gods WORD....IS GOD.

    Gods THOUGHTS, Gods POWER, Gods WORD....comes forth OUT FROM GOD...WHILE it REMAINS IN God.

    God has Numerous Names, Titles, Descriptions...ooh, imagine this...so also do ONE SAME man, have numerous Names, Titles, Descriptions!

    And ... Everyone Shall receive a NEW NAME.
    So whatever men are CALLING God, Gods Word, (Jesus), Gods Son, (Jesus) Gods High Priest (Lord), Gods Power (Christ), Gods Seed (Christ), Gods Wisdom (Christ), etc.
    God decided...what He would be called, by men on this Earth...
    Just like men decide what they will be called, by men on this Earth...
    And ALL of those names WILL CHANGE, when a man sits IN and WITH, their everlasting Father, IN HIS KINGDOM. :)
     
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    chuckle
     
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    well said!
     
  19. GerhardEbersoehn

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    Confession of Faith

    I believe in God, the Almighty, Father, Creator

    of heavens and earth,

    and in Jesus Christ his only-begotten Son, our Lord,

    conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary,

    who under Pontius Pilate suffered and was crucified,

    who descended into hell, died and was buried

    and on the third day according to the Scriptures rose

    from the dead,

    who ascended to heaven and sits on the right hand of

    the power of God,

    hence He shall come to judge the living and the dead,

    I believe in the Holy Spirit;

    I believe one Christian Church of the elect,

    the holy communion of believers,

    the forgiveness of sin, the everlasting life and the resurrection,

    in the glorified body of flesh.


    I believe the Scriptures, the true, only and closed canon

    of authority for and in the faith, doctrine and living.

    God speaks in the Scriptures

    through his Spirit in the Congregation

    of the Son in Whom we have life.
     
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  20. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    Are you Hal Holbrook?
     
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