I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

[David in NJ]

When Jesus was transfigured, who was he seen talking with. Was it Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses?

Moses and Elijah

Why was it Moses and Elijah???

 

[marks]

In amos it talks about
how they will come and rebuild the tabernacles of david and etc .
Would you care to explain how you see that .

It will happen.

Jeremiah 30:7-9 KJV
7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8) For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9) But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

The time of Jacob's trouble . . . the great tribulation . . . by he shall be saved out of it . . . this generation shall not pass away . . .

Jesus will rescue His chosen people, and establish His kingdom, and will raise up David to sit as king over Israel.

Under David, the Apostles will judge the tribes.

Matthew 19:28 KJV
28) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Much love!

 

[marks]

in heavenly jerusalem it is perserved forever.

that is the new nation - heavenly.

no more phsyical

That not who God made the promise to.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If you believe people in Jerusalem are still part of the 12 tribes, then that would be the issue @marks.

I dont believe they will ever have that information ever again no matter if they displays lies as though they found it.

Revelation 7:1-8 KJV
1) And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2) And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3) Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5) Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6) Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7) Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8) Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

I'm thinking differently.

Much love!

 

[marks]

ead amos .
After this I will RETURN and rebuild the tabernacle of david that is fallen
down .And I will build again the ruins thereof and I will set it UP
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord , and all the gentiles
upon whom MY NAME is called saith the LORD who doeth all these things .
What was amos talking about .
Marks what do you think the prophet meant .
Go read amos .chapter nine verses eleven and twelve .
Marks what do you think this means .

I think it means what it says. Do you agree?

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

No, only your interpretation. But I'm not interested in this sort of conversation, so thank you, and bye for now!

Nontheless, to address your assertion, Scripture tells me otherwise.



Not so:

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Much love!

Good Morning my Brother marks,

i have confirmed to you many many times that ALL prophecies concerning the flesh nation Israel are True.
ESPECIALLY Jeremiah 31:35-37

Currently, you are rejecting the very words of the LORD Jesus Christ = Matthew chapters 23 and 24

Let go of falsehood that demands you reject the words of Christ and you will be able to SEE more Clearly.

 

[marks]

You are making an assumption that the ethnic people called Israel will be preserved by God forever.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Tell me why you thing God would NOT preserve Israel as a nation?

Much love!

 

[marks]

marks, i am greatly disappointed that you voided the agreement to submit to God's word.

Say what? You took this to mean that I have to submit to your interpretations, so, we're not talking about the same thing here.

And I'm not into personal defense when someone chooses to talk about me.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Say what? You took this to mean that I have to submit to your interpretations, so, we're not talking about the same thing here.

And I'm not into personal defense when someone chooses to talk about me.

Much love!

marks,

Are you kidding me?

Sadly, you are not and have now entered full blown denial mode.

@marks, you ar eviolating the contract that you and i agreed to = "submitting to the word of God"

 

[marks]

marks,

Are you kidding me?

Sadly, you are not and have now entered full blown denial mode.

@marks, you ar eviolating the contract that you and i agreed to = "submitting to the word of God"

You are now rejecting the Holy Scriptures, the Truth, of whom the LORD Jesus was speaking to in Matt ch24

Furthermore, Matthew ch23 is where the LORD Jesus finishes/ends speaking to the Jewish nation according to the flesh.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’

31“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

36Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
See! Your house is left to you desolate;
for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

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Think about it . . .

Much love!

 

[marks]

@rebuilder 454 and @marks and myself agreed to submit to God's word but so far i am the only one fulfilling the contract between us.

See Posts #66, #68, #80 and #218

I can say the same as you will not submit to . . . my interpretation. This isn't good. This sort of talk ends conversations.

You claim I'm rebelling against God because I don't agree with you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It"s a nice tale, I like it ... it's fits. You don't really need this tale to know that the Groom will soon come to get His Bride when the Father tells Him to. The trumpets will blow and we will be taken up and then we will certainly celebrate that!

A lot of people build doctrine on that happy little tale!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Good Morning my Brother marks,

i have confirmed to you many many times that ALL prophecies concerning the flesh nation Israel are True.
ESPECIALLY Jeremiah 31:35-37

Currently, you are rejecting the very words of the LORD Jesus Christ = Matthew chapters 23 and 24

Let go of falsehood that demands you reject the words of Christ and you will be able to SEE more Clearly.

I told you if you continued to talk this way - personal, accusatory - I would not continue. If you wish to continue, stop.

Much love!

 

[marks]

When Jesus was transfigured, who was he seen talking with. Was it Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses?

Moses and Elijah, why, what does that mean to you?

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

I can say the same as you will not submit to . . . my interpretation. This isn't good. This sort of talk ends conversations.

You claim I'm rebelling against God because I don't agree with you.

Much love!

marks,

If i wrote the Gospel of Matthew, then you would be disgreeing with me.

Since it was the Holy Spirit who penned the Gospel for us, it then becomes you rejecting Matt ch23 and ch24 and John ch3 specifically.

 

[MatthewG]

That not who God made the promise to.

Much love!

Revelation 7:1-8 KJV
1) And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2) And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3) Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5) Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6) Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7) Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8) Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

I'm thinking differently.

Much love!

You hardly gave any direction of your thought.

Just quoting scripture doesnt mean anything; unless there is some type of direction.

See you believe things are for the future therefore you’re waiting, and thats okay, however to continue to go back and forth on what we believe by faith has happened or has yet to happened is useless banter.

You think all you want; will love you and encourage you to keep thinking and to challenge yourself in what it is you are thinking, and to get a good study bible (not to say you dont have one) and study these things out for yourself.

My desire is no longer to continue to banter with you and thus it will stop.

God bless.

 

[marks]

His flesh was the sacrifice which Jesus gave "for the life of the world". You cannot take back what you give as a sacrifice, otherwise it is not a sacrifice, and you have not given it. In the type the sacrifice is completely consumed, or destroyed:

Interesting Idea.

Jesus wasn't a bull, you know. If the burning of His body were necessary, why didn't they do that?

Jesus didn't take back what He gave. It went on from there to His resurrection. He still bled and died.

Do you realize that John calls those who claim that Jesus did not come - and remain - in flesh antichrist?

No, Jesus gave His life on the cross, and there is no denying that. And He made a point of showing the disciples that He was physical, so I'm going with that.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

I told you if you continued to talk this way - personal, accusatory - I would not continue. If you wish to continue, stop.

Much love!

@marks, not a single insult or false accusation leveled against you my Brother.

But if you choose to walk away, then you are walking away from the Truth in John ch3, Matt ch23 and ch24.

That will be your choice and it will not benefit you.

 

[marks]

If i wrote the Gospel of Matthew, then you would be disgreeing with me.

I am disagreeing with your interpretation, we're just two guys talking, and you are not God. This has ceased to interest me. We're just talking now about how you insist I'm rebelling against God. No thanks! We were talking prophecy.

I suppose maybe it's become impossible for you to address my points, so you've turned to sharing your negative opinions about me.

Sad!!!

Much love!

 

[marks]

@marks, not a single insult or false accusation leveled against you my Brother.

Read you posts, brother, and then come back and be honest with me.

Like I've said, if you want to discuss the material, great, but you've been very busy discussing me. Now that we have several posts in a row like that, I'm over it.

Much love!