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Featured If Children come from Hell, how did they get there to begin with?

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  1. Base12

    Base12 Well-Known Member

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    Scripture teaches that Children come from Hell. That means you, I and everyone else came from there.

    The question is...

    How did we end up there in the first place?

    Let's begin with a few relative verses in order for us to being solving this Mystery...

    Matthew 23:15
    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves"


    In the above verse, we see Jesus Himself claiming that Children come from Hell... literally.

    On top of that, Jesus seems to indicate that the Proselyte is going to have this happen to them more than one time by the use of the word 'twofold'.

    In other words, they will be birthed twice into this world. Is there a limit to how many times this can occur?

    What about good people? Seems being born from Hell only happens to Pharisee and hypocrite type folk.

    Lets see...

    Psalms 139:15
    "My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"


    Wait... is that King David saying that?

    I think it's safe to assume that the 'Lowest Parts of the Earth' is a reference to Hell. So why would this David fellow be born from there?

    The verse is literally teaching us that Hell is a parable for Womb!!! Is this misogyny against Women?

    Let's keep digging...

    The word 'Pit' can be viewed as another reference to Hell...

    Revelation 11:7
    "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them"


    But look at this...

    Isaiah 51:1
    "Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged"


    The above verse clearly shows righteous people being birthed from the 'Pit'.

    Who is the Pit? Sarah!

    Isaiah 51:2
    "Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him"


    No misogyny here. Sarah is a Virtuous Woman.

    I suppose we now know where the Beast is going to come from. It will be birthed from the Pit... aka... the Womb!

    OK, one more...

    Now that we know the 'Lowest Parts of the Earth' is referring to the Womb, we can apply this Wisdom to the next verse...

    Ephesians 4:9
    "Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"


    We all know that the above verse is speaking of Jesus, but wait...

    Aren't we all taught that Jesus went to Hell... as in a "place of eternal torments"?

    Apparently not. Jesus descended into Mary's Womb... aka... the Lower Parts of the Earth...

    John 3:13
    "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven"


    John 6:38
    "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me"


    Seems someone is hiding the simple Truth from you good people eh?

    Could it be... Satan?
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Is this a New Year's joke? It isn't April 1 you know.o_O:eek::confused:
     
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    Could it be that we were all born in hell our dwelling place, being in the death that every child born of woman inherited from Adam and Eve? Could it be that Jesus was made in secret as a man of flesh within the womb of Mary, coming down from the 3rd heaven to join us here in our hellish place of death, this bottomless pit, so as to bring for us the Life, a more abundant Life, which our first parents lost?

    Give God the glory!
     
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    Well, the problem that I'm having is that, near the end, you stipulated that you were only going to give one more verse. And yet, after that one, you actually gave two more verses, for a total of three verses altogether.
    Which, in fact, would make you a liar.
    But, let's dig a little further, ...let's see who is the father of lies, well, according to Jesus, that would be Satan.

    John 8:44 - 8:44. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    So then, it seems that you've been hiding something from us all?
     
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    For me hell is the absence of God, this is where the unregenerate are.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Hi CL, do you have some scripture reference that shows the op is incorrect??
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he just became inspired?
     
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    That is COMPLETELY FALSE. So there would be no point going any further.
     
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    Not a joke but a sign of what you can look forward to in 2020 from the trolls.
     
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    Maybe there's a full moon
     
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    To clarify...

    One more verse teaching that Hell is a parable for the Womb and a process called Mystery of Iniquity.

    This gives us a total of four verses...

    Matthew 23:15
    Psalms 139:15
    Isaiah 51:1
    Ephesians 4:9


    There are plenty more of course, but the above verses are enough to prove the point.

    Please note that I take the verses very literally and very seriously.

    God is Love and allows Souls to depart from Hell...

    Proverbs 15:24
    "The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath"


    Those with hatred in their Hearts will be greatly offended by this beautiful Truth as we can already see in this thread.

    Satan is working overtime to keep them in the dark.
    Who else will be offended by the Word of God?
     
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    Base12 Well-Known Member

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    Here is another verse I'm told not to take literally or else...

    Matthew 11:14
    "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come"
     
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    Proverbs 9:16-18 KJV
    [16] Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: and as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him, [17] Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant. [18] But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.


    Tecarta Bible
     
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    Jude 1:23 KJV
    [23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

    I don’t personally believe this fire is speaking of Gods refining fire.
    Tecarta Bible
     
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    your post reminds me of Galatians 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Greek: πῦρ
    Transliteration: pur
    Pronunciation: poor
    Definition: A primary word; fire (literally or figuratively specifically lightning): - fiery fire.
    KJV Usage: fire (73x), fiery (1x).
    Occurs: 74
    In verses: 73

    Jude’s fire,

    Pronounced (POOR)
     
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    Time and time again, Hell and the Pit are associated with the Female Gender...

    Isaiah 5:14
    "Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it"


    Proverbs 7:27
    "Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death"


    Psalms 69:15
    "Let not the waterflood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up, and let not the pit shut her mouth upon me"


    She is described as being 'naked'...

    Job 26:6
    "Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering"


    Hell has a 'belly' with people inside of it...

    Jonah 2:2
    "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice"


    God is teaching something incredibly profound...

    John 3:4
    "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?"


    Who can receive it?
     
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    I agree there is a profound message here, but the problem is it flies in the face of organized religions where men rely on dead men to tell them what they know of God.

    This hellish place is dominated by what I call repeats.
     
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    Base12 Well-Known Member

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    Of course the answer to why we were born from Hell is because we were sent there to begin with.

    We are talking about previous lives here... and yes, it's Biblical. Jesus Himself taught this fact and I challenge anyone here to debunk this claim.

    The reason Christians aren't taught this in the Church are many. Satan being the biggest reason.

    That last thing Satan wants the world to know is that the God of Christianity loves His creation so much, He is willing to give them another chance.

    Thus, Satan promotes the lie of "God is Love and tortures people forever!" and "God is going to annihilate billions of Souls for not reading the Bible!"

    This is a contradiction that is so clear and so obvious that those outside Christianity look at Christians as some of the most ignorant fools in existence... and rightly so. I have seen many Christians walk away from the Faith entirely for not being able to resolve this issue.

    Imagine how many "what happens to the Unsaved" debates would quickly end if this Revelation were to go mainstream?

    Maybe some of you are thinking... "I've never heard this before!".

    Please note... if you are reading this right now, you are a highly privileged individual blessed by God. The fact is that this topic has been banned (along with yours truly) from every major Christian forum on the Web... just for bringing it up! They simply will not allow this to be discussed. Worse still... this has been going on for thousands of years!

    What does that tell you about how tightly the Devil has his grip on this world? What is the Christian World so afraid of that they have to treat folks like me like Stephen?

    Acts 7:59
    "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit"


    This subject has a way of exposing the Pharisees... as we can already see happening in this very thread.

    One of the saddest byproducts of the 'Eternal Torment' teaching is how it turns Christians into bitter people who hate the Human Race. Every time the slightest offense occurs, the typical Christian thinks to themselves, "Have fun in Hell!"... they will even say it out loud or type it on Social Media.

    How many times have you heard a Christian say "There's a special place in Hell for that person!". Did you agree with them? Did you ever stop and think to yourself... "Gee, do they really deserve that?". Do you realize how hypocritical comments like that sound to the Unbeliever?

    Bottom line...

    Hell has become a Christian's "Safe Space". It helps them sleep better at night knowing that the guy in the BMW that cut them off on the freeway will be 'burning for all of eternity' for having the audacity to commit such an atrocity.

    Their hatred has become their Emotional Support Animal. This is why a topic like this gets swept under the rug. It's called Cognitive Dissonance...

    "In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance occurs when a person holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values, or participates in an action that goes against one of these three, and experiences psychological stress because of that"

    Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia

    God's Love is far above anything we can understand. Let go of the hate. Learn to accept the fact that God is willing to give the Unsaved another chance when you won't. It's not as bad as you think.

    It's a difficult door to walk through. I don't expect anyone here to accept these Truths over night.

    John 6:66
    "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him"
     
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