If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[APAK]

If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:

What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."

A great subject and defines who and where we are in the Kingdom today.

I just found this thread and I just began to study this very same subject at home several hours ago ...a coincidence? who knows.

Well right now I'm re-examining the case for or against the '1000' year reign on a physical earth or not. I've always been bothered with a nagging feeling over the years that an earthly '1000' year reign by Christ on earth, as many espouse, is not correct. I do believe that Christ is reigning now, since his ascension, and we are in this Kingdom reigning with him right now...I just need to alight all the scripture I can find as its basis.

There are many moving parts to this subject...another core thread of truth to peel back...

 

[pittsburghjoe]

A great subject and defines who and where we are in the Kingdom today.

I just found this thread and I just began to study this very same subject at home several hours ago ...a coincidence? who knows.

Well right now I'm re-examining the case for or against the '1000' year reign on a physical earth or not. I've always been bothered with a nagging feeling over the years that an earthly '1000' year reign by Christ on earth, as many espouse, is not correct. I do believe that Christ is reigning now, since his ascension, and we are in this Kingdom reigning with him right now...I just need to alight all the scripture I can find as its basis.

There are many moving parts to this subject...another core thread of truth to peel back...

Why in the world would there be a thousand years where people get a better chance of being Saved?

Revelation 1:5-6 NASB

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood- [6] and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

"We have been made into a kingdom of which we are priests. All who believe live in the sphere of God’s rule, a kingdom entered by faith in Jesus Christ. And as priests, believers have the right to enter God’s presence."

 

[APAK]

Why in the world would there be a thousand years where people get a better chance of being Saved?

Revelation 1:5-6 NASB

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood- [6] and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

"We have been made into a kingdom of which we are priests. All who believe live in the sphere of God’s rule, a kingdom entered by faith in Jesus Christ. And as priests, believers have the right to enter God’s presence."

Well that question of yours can stop the thought of an earthy 1000 years reign in it tracks....you have done some study I see...I will log this thought down and relate it with scripture....as part of my study...thanks

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Well that question of yours can stop the thought of an earthy 1000 years reign in it tracks....you have done some study I see...I will log this thought down and relate it with scripture....as part of my study...thanks

You won't regret watching this debate

 

[APAK]

You won't regret watching this debate

Let me watch it PJ..I see it will take some time.. thank you again...

 

[pittsburghjoe]

1 Corinthians 15:23-25
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Colossians 1:13-19
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

 

[APAK]

@pittsburghjoe well I viewed the video....absorbed quite a bit....my quick comment is this..

1.All three '1000' year views are out...
2. I want to investigate a hybrid of both the the Post and A'1000' year view where the Kingdom of God is in Christ's hands since his ascension both on the earth and in heaven with saints occupying this reign as they passed during this length of symbolic '1000' years...a long time... period. With increasing pain from evil on this earth...
3. Then Christ returns... to close shop completely, with the end of the wicked, evil, judgement, death, and a new heaven and earth, and the return of the Kingdom back to his Father...done...finito!

I will build my initial architectural plan on this hybrid view and add scripture to it....

Thanks again for the help in my reboot and kick start on this all important subject beside the gospel

 

[pittsburghjoe]

@pittsburghjoe well I viewed the video....absorbed quite a bit....my quick comment is this..

1.All three '1000' year views are out...
2. I want to investigate a hybrid of both the the Post and A'1000' year view where the Kingdom of God is in Christ's hands since his ascension both on the earth and in heaven with saints occupying this reign as they passed during this length of symbolic '1000' years...a long time... period. With increasing pain from evil on this earth...
3. Then Christ returns... to close shop completely, with the end of the wicked, evil, judgement, death, and a new heaven and earth, and the return of the Kingdom back to his Father...done...finito!

I will build my initial architectural plan on this hybrid view and add scripture to it....

Thanks again for the help in my reboot and kick start on tis all important subject beside the gospel

i think nero had a 42 month period and then a second 42 month period for the evil papacy happened, but this 42 months was in prophetic years. 1,260 years.

the gog and magog thing really bothers me, could it have been world war 2? or is that the next thing we are going to see happen?

 

[APAK]

i think nero had a 42 month period and then a second 42 month period for the evil papacy happened, but this 42 months was in prophetic years. 1,260 years.

the gog and magog thing really bothers me, could it have been world war 2? or is that the next thing we are going to see happen?

IMO The latter..the next thing to happen...soon

 

[pittsburghjoe]

satan is currently bound (Millennium Reign) in that he can't prevent the following (in addition to not accusing men to GOD, but related to not being able to prevent The Gospel from spreading to nations):

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[Pythagorean12]

What is he the king of? All creation.

Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is spread out upon the earth but people don't see it.
It is dominion.

Everything is of and from God. God is all and all is God.
We can't look for the kingdom because it isn't a matter of a timeline day of arrival.
That's because it's here already.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

How are people Reborn into The Kingdom if they don't think it is here yet?

How do you call yourself Reborn if you think JESUS isn't a King until He Returns? He told us to seek The Kingdom.

 

[Davy]

That doesn't say to the ground.

Zechariah 14 does, so do many Scriptures in the Old Testament prophets, and in the Psalms, and so does Revelation 5:10 emphatically declare Christ's elect future reign is, on this earth. Even the future "camp of the saints" that Satan will lead the deceived nations upon in final is shown that it is upon this earth (Revelation 20:9). Even Matthew 28:28-29 is proof that Jesus is with His faithful elect in His future kingdom on earth, since Rev.5:10 reveals the future reign of Christ's Church is on this earth. So duh...

 

[Davy]

i know it looks bad, but the test continues to see if we can attempt a personal relationship with GOD. this place is horrible because we live somewhere that allows sin to happen. it’s what we get as humans for wanting to make our own plans.

Don’t be blind to the many Judgments GOD has already submitted onto mankind while He is Reigning.

You and i both know "flames" are not always what we think they are in scripture.

That's just speculation some men's philosophy has taught you, and goes against what God's Word reveals about this world, and His Kingdom to come in the world to come.

Nor is it about who is in control, because God also showing in His Word that He controls Satan too! Satan cannot do anything without God's permission. God showed in His Word that He uses Satan as a punishing rod upon the rebellious. You simply haven't done enough Bible study to know this.

 

[Davy]

There is going to be a Return, i’m saying the Kingdom is already here. It actually means something to say you are an Ambassador to The KING …right now. i think the next thing to happen is the battle of gog and magog.

JESUS prepared a place for us ...not here.

Jesus' Kingdom is already here on earth... in Spirit ONLY.

His literal, physical Kingdom is NOT here on earth yet, nor is He reigning over the nations that REJECT Him yet, especially the nation of Israel of Jews that in majority STILL REJECT HIM.

The doctrine of men you've adopted easily shows its own ignorance of Scripture, and of the times.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Does anyone get how ridiculous it is to want a physical Kingdom just like the Jews overlooked? JESUS said He went to prepare a place for us ...He didn't say it was here for the infinite afterlife.

Please stop with this nonsense of a 1000 years where people have direct proof of GOD ...that's not how this works. This reality is built on the Free Will Choice to Choose GOD'S Plan of SALVATION. There is no choice if you can see GOD.

 

[Davy]

I do believe that Christ is reigning now, since his ascension, and we are in this Kingdom reigning with him right now...I just need to alight all the scripture I can find as its basis.

So you're just going to look for Scripture that supports 'your'... idea?

What about Scripture that supports what The Father and His Son and His Apostles and prophets have actually said about it?

Matt 26:28-29
28 For this is My blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom.
KJV

Where is that future event written to happen ON EARTH? In Scripture like Isaiah 25:5-9; Matthew 13:39-43 as it is the "tares" that are removed and burned, Christ's elect remain on the earth. Also Revelation 7:17 about those John is shown standing next to Christ's throne with Jesus leading them to living fountains of waters, a DIRECT reference to the return of God's River back to this earth per Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22. That River was originally upon this earth, per Genesis 2, as it flowed out of God's Garden of Eden to feed four other... rivers upon this earth, two of which can still be found on earth today (Euphrates and Tigris or Hiddekel).

Even Psalms 2 is a direct reference to The Father setting Christ upon Mount Zion in Jerusalem on earth, pointing to His future reign with the prophesied "rod of iron". Even Psalms 110 declares Christ's future rule in the 'midst' of His enemies, meaning His reign with that rod of iron UPON this earth with His elect.

Isaiah 9 points directly to Christ's future reign UPON this earth sitting upon the throne of David. David's throne is NOT a Heavenly throne, it is an EARTHLY THRONE, and Jesus is to inherit it when He comes.

Zechariah 9:9 points to Christ's 1st coming meek as a Lamb to be slain. Zechariah 9:10 points to the battle bow being cut off (ended), with Christ taking reign over the whole earth (which is still future to us).

I could keep going and going about these Scripture evidences for Christ's future LITERAL reign upon this earth over all nations, but that would be spoon-feeding the lazy who refuse to open up God's written Word for themselves in Bible study.

 

[Davy]

Does anyone get how ridiculous it is to want a physical Kingdom just like the Jews overlooked? JESUS said He went to prepared a place for us ...He didn't say it was here for the infinite afterlife.

Please stop with this nonsense of a 1000 years where people have direct proof of GOD ...that's not how this works. This reality is built on the Free Will Choice to Choose GOD'S Plan of SALVATION. There is no choice if you can see GOD.

Keep on mocking God's Word, those who have studied their Bible well know you have not.