I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

[Heart2Soul]

I'm not deranged and I'm not a lefty - I'm as right as right can go. And I am very concerned about the Socialists trying to destroy America - but so is the Illuminati. I was pro-Trump until I read that he's going to sign another bill - without funding for the wall. That shows me that he's not serious. He promised he would never sign another obscene Omnibus and he's getting ready to. I've been wary of him since I read about the hand signs he's been doing, but now I'm even more wary over his failure to build the border wall.

I would look at all the bills Obama signed without consent of Congress and the Senate and then compare them with Trump and decide who is the Illuminati in this political circus.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Do you know how long this one world government talk has been going on?

One-world-government Walter Cronkite: ‘I’m glad to sit at the right hand of Satan’

 

[brakelite]

Well the Illuminati Agenda is a Globalist NWO Agenda.

Our Globalist Agenda: The Next Stage Of The Illuminati’s New World Order | Illuminati Official Website

And Trump just spoke out against globalism at the UN. So he cannot possibly be pushing the Illuminati Agenda.

I believe he has made some very serious mistakes in his choice of personnel and failing to clear the Obama decks on day one. He also should have fired Sessions and all the honchos at the DOJ and FBI immediately. And then he should have gone after Obama, Clinton, and all their co-conspirators immediately.

And he didn't. Which begs the question, why not? I think @SovereignGrace had reason for concern.

 

[brakelite]

The fact that Trump has been so outspokenly opposed to the globalist agenda (his recent speech before the UN a case in point) does not necessarily mean he is against some form of internationally agreed uniformity of Law and order, which could very well come under the auspices of a duly elected power/individual who shall despotically rule over the consciences of men.
One must also take into account the Hegelian dialectic which philosophy is the rule of thumb for the elitist powers vying for globalist rule. Thesis versus antithesis. Conservative against liberalism. Democrat versus Republican. Right versus left. And when everyone is sick and tired of the conflict and war and unsociable issues arising from the constant debates and arguments, along comes the one with the only solution. The synthesis... Which solution the powers that be wanted from the beginning, but without the conflicts none would have been willing to tolerate. But in the end, the world will welcome, even demand it, and wonder after the beast. Obama... Thesis. Trump... Antithesis. Antichrist... Synthesis. Is Trump a willing accomplice, or is he just a stooge unaware of the issues. Personally, I think he is well aware. Who in his position of power and business could not be aware of the plans and conspiracies brought about throughout the last 400 years by the Illuminati, and the influence of such Pro globalist organisations such as Freemasonry and the Jesuits? If he is aware, and opposed, he is playing a very dangerous game. Maybe even simply allowed to take his position because it suits the elites to have him there. Either way, let us take advantage of the freedom we have for the time present to preach the gospel and exhort one another to holiness and consecration.

 

[Frank Lee]

Submit to scripture. Amen

Romans 13:1-5 KJVS
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I thought that article was hilarious to be honest. I highly doubt it.

I'm trying to bounce off of others. I don't know what is real now - there is so much illusion.

Scripture warns us that even the elect will be deceived.

Something to think about.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Just a load of fear-mongering hype.

So what, if it is it IS.....we have all had plenty of warning to "get ready" and grow up and be prepared in the Spirit.

Focusing on what "maybe" is fruitless and get no one anywhere.

Maybe - maybe not. We're warned that even the elect will be deceived. Why was that put in the bible if it wasn't a warning to be cautious?

 

[Soverign Grace]

I think this would be going too far, and it not supported by the facts. However, the Left-Liberals and Democrats would love to promote this. They have been slandering Trump from day one, along with the idea that it is all a con job.

And because of Trump Judge Kavanaugh has been smeared beyond belief. Had Obama nominated the same man, this judge would have been hailed as "the best judge ever nominated, blah, blah, blah". So the con game is on the part of the deceitful and hypocritical Democrats.

I'm well aware of that. I have much fear of liberals as they've become unhinged. On the flip side of the coin, neither do I want to fall under anyone's spell just because they're saying the right words. And it's absolutely despicable what they're doing to Kavanaugh.

I'm unsure what to think at this point. I'm just not going to blindly support him now like I did before. I think it's healthy to be suspicious - Satan is the great deceiver. I'm walking circumspectly.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Very good point indeed Mayflower...
Yes, as you say...whoever it is will be proclaimed the saviour of the situation...but Trump is nowhere near being liked enough!!
HATE is the name of the game at the moment.

Yes, but how better to deceive the very elect than putting a man in place that everyone hates...so that Christians will reason just as you have reasoned.

It's abstract thinking, to be sure, but nevertheless we have to walk circumspectly as the evil one is cunning.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I'm well aware of that. I have much fear of liberals as they've become unhinged. On the flip side of the coin, neither do I want to fall under anyone's spell just because they're saying the right words.

I'm unsure what to think at this point. I'm just not going to blindly support him now like I did before. I think it's healthy to be suspicious - Satan is the great deceiver. I'm walking circumspectly.

I used to think my pastor was like next in line to God and Jesus and could do no wrong until he came to my house wanting sex....now that was a huge shake up to my faith.....pastors can't do that....I cried and prayed and Jesus said never set your eyes on man...keep yours on me and you will never be misled! Well that is a true story and that is who I look to as my authority and redeemer in the time of need.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Here are the reasons why Trump cannot possibly be the Antichrist:

1. The Antichrist will be a renegade Jew with a very devious agenda.
2. He will come out of one of the nations which were originally within the Roman Empire (any country from around the Mediterranean).
3. He will have supernatural capabilities to do miracles and dazzle the world with signs and lying wonders.
4. He will be idolized by all men and all religions as the Savior of the world, the Messiah, the *true Christ*, and *God*.
5. He will need to enter into a future temple at Jerusalem freely (and only Jews can do that) and then set himself up as God and Christ.
6. He will have total and absolute control of THE WHOLE WORLD, energized and possessed by Satan.
7. He will establish a one world order and a one world idolatrous religion.

Which means that any hint that Trump is the Antichrist is ABSOLUTE RUBBISH.

I'm not claiming that Trump IS the antichrist, just that it's possible that he's a plant.

I know everyone is up in arms because we all see Trump as a savior after 8 years of an anti-Christian anti-American president, but I studied demonology and I know how cunning the evil one is. It isn't easy to take an unpopular position but truth is what we should all be seeking and by Christians flipping off and pridefully pumping themselves up doesn't get anyone any closer to the truth. I can flip off as much as anybody - but it's not going to get to truth. And truth is what God deals in. Depending on our state of maturity you see that after almost 40 years. We have to be cautious to not exalt ourselves as if we know better than another believer. The body should work together maturely.

Unless you've really studied the subtleties and exercised discernment many can miss the small clues. Scripture said that if it's possible then even the elect will be deceived. That's a sobering thought. We're told there will be false teachers to be on guard against so I don't take that lightly. Nor do I question Trump's sincerity lightly. I was asked to work on his campaign locally. When he was elected it was the first I've felt positive about our country in a long time. I had hope for the future. I defended him vociferously. I still do against liberals because i believe in conservative ideals.

But then some small things didn't add up. He's lying about not being able to build the border wall. He can build it with the military and in fact said that he would following the anger at the Omnibus. He's lying in the sense that he keeps tweeting that he needs money to fund the wall. That's not true. That is a lie.

My neighbor's son died of a drug overdose. When you see the coroner carrying a young man out in a body bag then you know the seriousness of the problem. Trump knows drugs are flooding in from Mexico. I studied it. The epidemic got bad after NAFTA. The cartels were loading drugs onto the trucks delivering manufactured goods into America. Only 4% approximately of trucks were searched. Bill Clinton knew it and told the DEA to keep quiet. How utterly evil is he to do that - knowing many parents would lose a child.

But the PRISONS are making a killing off the drugs flooding in. They actually hire lobbyists to go to Washington to push for stricter laws to put more Americans in prison. THAT is UGLY.

The CIA made money off illegal drugs.

The BANKS are making money off illegal drugs.

The POLICE are making money off illegal drugs.

And I suspect possibly legislators are getting kickbacks from keeping the border open.

So greed wins out.

So I saw Trump work the crowds into a lather over "Build the wall! Build the wall!" Yet it was talk. I gave him more time - I thought, okay, he has a lot against him. Then he signed the obscene Omnibus handing taxpayers very-hard earned money to other countries yet not for our own safety as 72,000 Americans died last year. It angered me. I gave him another chance.

Now Mollie Tibbetts was stabbed to death - a very grisly, brutal way to go. Illegals have raped children, and ran over others drinking and driving. Aren't those lives worth building the wall for?

Aren't they?

What if it was YOUR loved one?

Trump could have ordered the wall built on day #1. Or day #21. Or day #361. It's been a year and a half. About 54,000 Americans HAVE DIED right in line with the depopulation plans of the NWO.

And I'm supposed to have this great hope in this man?

Do you think God cared about those 54,000???

Should we?

Now, I just read that Trump IS signing the budget WITHOUT funding for the wall. He lied. He said he would "never" sign another.

I know a lot of Christians overlooked a lot - I did too. And I know Christians sin all the time, I'm just skeptical now. He's arrogant, prideful, cheats on his wives, and lies. I just saw a video where he was asked to name what scripture he likes the best. He fumbled and couldn't name one verse. He said "Oh I believe in the bible" yet if he believes in it, doesn't he read it? I can name my favorite verse - can you?

I just think that if he's legitimate - great - but what if he's not? What if we've been fooled again? If someone tells you how much they love you, they love you, they love you, yet mistreats you, what are you going to conclude? Actions speak, talk is cheap.

I'm just walking circumspectly. God must have put the verse into the bible about the elect being deceived for a reason. Just because Trump talks a good game, and appears to do some things that Christians/ Conservatives want, doesn't mean he's what he claims to be. Even fallen angels masquerade as angels of light. I hope that he is what he claims to be. I'm just watching a little closer than I did before.

Paul and the False Apostles
…13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himselfmasquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their actions.… - 2 For. 11:14

 

[Soverign Grace]

I used to think my pastor was like next in line to God and Jesus and could do no wrong until he came to my house wanting sex....now that was a huge shake up to my faith.....pastors can't do that....I cried and prayed and Jesus said never set your eyes on man...keep yours on me and you will never be misled! Well that is a true story and that is who I look to as my authority and redeemer in the time of need.

Doesn't surprise me. I had an elder want to give me a Christian 'hug' that was more than that. A woman knows. We attended a church where the owners were a very corrupt family. Someone thought they were using the church as their private piggy bank. But that's a wise point - to keep one's eyes on Christ. I think that the part about even the elect possibly being deceived was put there for a reason. I don't want to flip the opposite way and see a demon under every bush, but just walk cautiously. I hope Trump is sincere. I'm just trying to measure things carefully and "judge by his fruits." And all I've seen mostly is talk - not fruit. I think the jury is still out.

 

[friend of]

He's too anti-establishment to be working with the illuminati. They hate his guts and his nationalist sentiments. He hates globalism.

 

[Soverign Grace]

The fact that Trump has been so outspokenly opposed to the globalist agenda (his recent speech before the UN a case in point) does not necessarily mean he is against some form of internationally agreed uniformity of Law and order, which could very well come under the auspices of a duly elected power/individual who shall despotically rule over the consciences of men.
One must also take into account the Hegelian dialectic which philosophy is the rule of thumb for the elitist powers vying for globalist rule. Thesis versus antithesis. Conservative against liberalism. Democrat versus Republican. Right versus left. And when everyone is sick and tired of the conflict and war and unsociable issues arising from the constant debates and arguments, along comes the one with the only solution. The synthesis... Which solution the powers that be wanted from the beginning, but without the conflicts none would have been willing to tolerate. But in the end, the world will welcome, even demand it, and wonder after the beast. Obama... Thesis. Trump... Antithesis. Antichrist... Synthesis. Is Trump a willing accomplice, or is he just a stooge unaware of the issues. Personally, I think he is well aware. Who in his position of power and business could not be aware of the plans and conspiracies brought about throughout the last 400 years by the Illuminati, and the influence of such Pro globalist organisations such as Freemasonry and the Jesuits? If he is aware, and opposed, he is playing a very dangerous game. Maybe even simply allowed to take his position because it suits the elites to have him there. Either way, let us take advantage of the freedom we have for the time present to preach the gospel and echirt one another to holiness and consecration.

You have a good grasp on it. I think he has to be aware too - he's not a stupid man. He may bumble in his talking sometimes but we shouldn't let that fool us - he's shrewd. I too thought that he was in danger if he is legitimate. The FBI has a gun they can shoot that makes it look like someone has had a heart attack - it's frozen poison and only leaves a small pinprick. I worried about him if he is truly legitimate. I'm surprised at the Christians who are so in the dark about it and how it fits with Revelations. Although my eyes were just opened a few months ago and I have to say that it shook me a little. How close do you surmise that we are to the end? I haven't studied Revelations extensively. I used to listen to it on CD but never got into a deep study. I actually wonder if "today" is going to be "the day." I think we have to be close.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Submit to scripture. Amen

Romans 13:1-5 KJVS
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Nice verse.

 

[Soverign Grace]

He's too anti-establishment to be working with the illuminati. They hate his guts and his nationalist sentiments. He hates globalism.

Anyone can ~appear~ to be anything. I too thought he was anti-establishment. I'm just looking at his fruit. What I see is mostly talk. He may be legitimate, and just have a lot against him. I don't know.

Sometimes we think simplistically, when Satan is diabolical. It's more abstract-type thinking to act like one thing when one is another, yet Scripture warns us that is what the evil one does. We just don't know.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Doesn't surprise me. I had an elder want to give me a Christian 'hug' that was more than that. A woman knows. We attended a church where the owners were a very corrupt family. Someone thought they were using the church as their private piggy bank. But that's a wise point - to keep one's eyes on Christ. I think that the part about even the elect possibly being deceived was put there for a reason. I don't want to flip the opposite way and see a demon under every bush, but just walk cautiously. I hope Trump is sincere. I'm just trying to measure things carefully and "judge by his fruits." And all I've seen mostly is talk - not fruit. I think the jury is still out.

I do understand.....but honestly he isn't taking any money as president...he donates it to charities....he is pro-life...he is 2nd amendment supporter....and he just saw with his own eyes what the crooked politicians were doing behind our backs and got tired of watching the former president sell us out to other countries....remember he used to hang with the Clintons and the "elites" so he knows their personal life better than we do. He has done quite a bit of what he campaigned on....lowered taxes, stopping illegal immigration, is making the other countries pay their fair share of the arms protection, putting tariffs on countries that import their product to us and buy nothing from us, bringing manufacturing back to the U.S., putting Merry Christmas on the White House Christmas cards instead of Happy Holidays...protecting religious freedoms....I mean and a lot more that it just keeps going.....the economy is booming, jobs are up, unemployment the lowest ever in minority groups....what are you concerned about?

 

[Hidden In Him]

OMG !!!! I have seen that very sign from many preachers and priests. They are all in cahoots!

I think he's the invisible man only appearing when it suits him. Also he's getting advice from Jimmy Hoffa's ghost!

I heard from a reliable source that he obtained inside information on his political prospects by examining the entrails of a chicken while reciting the pledge of allegiance backwards.

LOL!!

Thank God Almighty for "reliable sources." Ha Ha!! So glad I decided to give this thread a once-over.

 

[Helen]

Yes, but how better to deceive the very elect than putting a man in place that everyone hates...so that Christians will reason just as you have reasoned.

It's abstract thinking, to be sure, but nevertheless we have to walk circumspectly as the evil one is cunning.

Whatever....
My bible say " For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. "

I choose to trust Father.
But, you seem to set on wanting to worry about it...so...have at it!

 

[brakelite]

I know I am looking at things from a long way away, but I wonder if folks were so desperate after Obama and Clinton, and so freaking nervous about the possibility of Hilary as president, that they were willing to accept anything as an alternative. And the brashest loudest most confident person won.... The conservative Christian right gobbles him up at the expense of more godly candidates, yet that claim Trump is God's man? I think more wishful thinking than any real spiritual discernment. The very same type of majority group think will welcome the Antichrist as the solver of all the world's problems... Again at the expense of spiritual realities.
What I think really won the Christian right to his side was not character or Christian testimony, not his witness to Christ's work in his life, not his godly demeanor and consecration to the Christian faith, but his promise that he would give the church political power. And the church, believing that politics is the salvation to American souls, and American social problems, made Trump their best friend.
KJV Luke 22
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.