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INTRO/ JESUS GAVE US THE TIMELINE FOR THE RAPTURE

This may shock you as it did me, but there are many prophets in the bible that knew the timeline for the Rapture and Jesus was one of them.

All these prophets have one thing in common, they all received the same timeline for the Rapture as Yeshua gave.

The Father told me when the Rapture will take place so all I did to find out when the Great Tribulation will commence is count backwards three and a half years from the day God's Two Witnesses go up to Heaven. When God’s Two Witnesses go up so too will all who have died in Christ, this is the First Resurrection taking place. Find the First Resurrection and you get the Rapture too because they take place back to back.

If I am right the Seven-Year Tribulation will start around Passover 2023.


Once you discover the timeline for the Rapture, you will be able to find it everywhere throughout the bible.

I will post the revelation of Jesus revealing the timeline for the Rapture in Matthew 24 next.

Yeshua appeared in my bedroom while in prayer and gave me the timeline for the Rapture in just one verse of the bible. I think I will share that message second.

Don't believe them anymore when they say no one knows because it was Jesus Himself who revealed when the Rapture will take place in the soon to be posted message not me.

The more you know your bible the more you will understand that Jesus really did reveal the timeline for the Rapture.
If you don't know your bible you may not get it.

For those who don't know the word of God I suggest you read and reread the message over and over while praying that the Holy Spirit will help you understand.

If you are having a hard time letting go of the lie that Jesus said, "no one knows the day nor the hour for when the Rapture will take place watch this video.


This video will offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that when Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour He was talking about His Second Coming not the Rapture.

I may be wrong about many things but please don't quote Jesus out of context by saying, "No one knows the day nor the hour."
Watch the video and you will see that Jesus never said, "No one knows the day nor the hour of the Rapture."

I really should redo this video because I made a few mistakes and I have so much more clarity on this topic now.
But as we continue to discus this topic it will be clear to all that Jesus really did give this last generation that will go up in the Rapture the timeline.

You will soon see what the Father told me about His Son Yeshua's arrival at the Rapture.

We will soon see that Yeshua even told us what Jewish Feast day He will appear on at the Rapture.

The Father revealed to me exactly when Joel's blood-red-moon will take place. Get Joel's blood-red-moon and you get the Day of the Lord which also known throughout the bible as the Wrath of God. When you discover when God's Wrath commences you also get the time for when we will no longer be on this earth. For the bible states we are not appointed to God's Wrath.

You will be shocked that the very hour of the Rapture Israel time is found in the bible.

We will discover that the very date of the Rapture means Rapture in Strong's.

I was in Israel for the last full-blood-red-super moon on Sept-23-15. I boarded my plane home and said to the Lord, "Nothing happened"
Yeshua told me that the last full-blood-red- super moon was a sign, a warning and a dress rehearsal for the very day when the Rapture will take place.

By the way the 2017 sign in the Heavens was the official sign and countdown to Rapture. I will show you what the Lord showed me in one of my messages.

I remind everyone to follow house rules and let us be courteous and respectful at all times or I will be gone before you can say, bobs your uncle.



FALSE TEACHING OF NO ONE CAN KNOW WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE EXPOSED


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The Holy Spirit told me that the year 2023 is the start of something. Leviticus 23:23 is the feast of trumpets. The Holy Spirit also told me Jesus would return after the last Jews return to Israel. Jeremiah 23:3 describes the return. September 23 this year is the feast of trumpets.
Matthew 24:31 is the 2nd coming, because Jesus didn't mention the age of Grace, Body of Christ or what will happen at Pentecost before His crucifixion . The Apostle Paul taught this through revelations from Jesus himself. That's why the Rapture isn't taught in Matthew, Mark, or Luke. The gospel of John alludes to the rapture. That said, knowing all this will begin to take place this year.
 
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There can be nothing in the gospels or Old Testament prophecy that give reference to the rapture…. since the entire administration of grace (which includes the rapture) was a mystery (secret) ….and not fully revealed until after Pentecost.
 

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The Holy Spirit told me that the year would be 2023. Leviticus 23:23 is the feast of trumpets. The Holy Spirit also told me Jesus would return after the last Jews return to Israel. Jeremiah 23:3 describes the return. September 23 this year is the feast of trumpets.
Matthew 24:31 is the 2nd coming, because Jesus didn't mention the age of Grace, Body of Christ or what will happen at Pentecost before His crucifixion . The Apostle Paul taught this through revelations from Jesus himself. That's why the Rapture isn't taught in Matthew, Mark, or Luke. The gospel of John alludes to the rapture. That said, knowing all this will take place this year.


Rockerduck,
You said Holy Spirit told you that 2023 would be what exactly?
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There can be nothing in the gospels or Old Testament prophecy that give reference to the rapture…. since the entire administration of grace (which includes the rapture) was a mystery (secret) ….and not fully revealed until after Pentecost.

Hi Tommy Cool,
Totally agree with your statement that the Rapture was a mystery and not revealed until Pentecost.

Yet, what if the Lord revealed the Rapture before Pentecost, but it's revelation was hidden until the end of days?

So well hidden until this last generation that will go up in the Rapture and they will know when they will go up.

The reason that there can be no reference to the Rapture in the old Testament is because this information is not stored in your mind and can only be revealed by God the Holy Spirit until this day.

Wait for what the Father told me about the exact time when His Son Yeshua will make His appearance at the Rapture and see if you agree.

Like your name please be cool until both you and I have reached a conclusion on the matter.
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There can be nothing in the gospels or Old Testament prophecy that give reference to the rapture…. since the entire administration of grace (which includes the rapture) was a mystery (secret) ….and not fully revealed until after Pentecost.

Before anyone on earth can say that we can know when the Rapture will take place, we must first reconcile the fact that Jesus never said no one knows the day nor the hour of the Rapture.

I made this video that offers proof beyond a reasonable doubt that when Jesus said no one knows He was talking about His Second Coming not the Rapture.

Although I made a few mistakes in the video the evidence is still on point.

Like I have said, if we are to take a serious look at when Jesus will make His appearance at the Rapture we must first deal with the fact that Jesus never said no one knows when the Rapture will take place.

It is highly suggested that everyone who comments on this thread should watch the video that exposes the false doctrine that Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour of when the Rapture will take place.

Once everyone understands that we have been lied to only then can we have a sure foundation for which to build upon.

Again, if we are to take a serious look at when Jesus will make His appearance at the Rapture we must first deal with the fact that Jesus never said no one knows when the Rapture will take place.

When I am finished I will have revealed a hundred ways to find the timeline for the Rapture in the bible.

Everylast prophet I will quote in the bible has one thing in common, they all received the same timeline for the Rapture as Jesus gave in Matthew 24 and Psalm 110:3.

I am aware that many will just drop in on this subject at any point in the conversation and will not have watched the video that offers proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Jesus did not say, "No one knows the day nor the hour of when the Rapture will take place."

Like a cult we have been brainwashed to respond to anyone who says we can know when the Rapture will take place to say that no one knows the day nor the hour.

I think before I offer hard evidence that even Jesus told us when the Rapture will take place I will put what's said in the video in writing so all the naysayers can read and reread the proof for themselves.

It is a prerequisite that everyone first completely understand that, the "no one knows the day nor the hour doctrine" is a lie of the Devil so that no one will ever look for when our Lord Jesus will make His appearance at the Rapture.

FALSE TEACHING OF NO ONE CAN KNOW WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE EXPOSED


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THE FOLLOWING IS THE CONDENSED VERSION OF THE MESSAGE TAKEN FROM THE VIDEO

FALSE TEACHING OF NO ONE CAN KNOW WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE EXPOSED

The feast of trumpet folk believe that the Rapture will take place on the Jewish Feast day that no one can know. Let’s talk about that.

Please know this, I am not attacking anyone I am just presenting the facts as I see them.

If no man knows the day nor the hour, how is it that most of the church believes in a Feast of Trumpets Rapture?

Oh, I get it no one knows the day nor the hour, but we can know the Jewish Feast day, right?

But according to the Feast of Trumpets folk no one can know the day and yet they claim to know the exact Feast day when Yeshua will make His appearance at the Rapture. They have named the day that no one is supposed to know therefore their theory is contradictory.

Their theory sounds real good but it is a false doctrine and once believed it guarantees that no one will ever truly search for the timeline for the Rapture and with an end result being turning every last Christian on earth into little foolish virgins who will not truly be watching for our Lord's appearance at the Rapture.

The Feast of Trumpets folk believe that Yeshua must have been sending a secret coded message that reveals He will arrive at the Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets because that is the only Jewish Feast day that no man can know the day nor the hour. This is a lie of the Devil that is cleverly disguised as the truth so as to appeal to the pride of life, which makes all who believe this lie feel special for discovering the fake coded message that Jesus did not give.

HERE IS THE TRUTH ABOUT WHEN JESUS SAID KNOW ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR REVEALED TO ME BY THE FATHER
See if you agree,

When Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour, He was talking about His Second Coming not the Rapture.

If what I just said is true then it proves that the Feast of Trumpets Rapture theory is a lie of the Devil so that no one would truly watch for our Lord's arrival at the Rapture.

STAY WITH ME

In order to make this message abundantly clear, Please crack open your bible and follow along with me. It is imperative that you see what I show you is the truth and this truth is found written in the bible.

It's just like Jesus said in Matthew 24:29a "After the Tribulation of those days, meaning of course at the end of the Tribulation. Jesus gave us many signs of His coming before verse 29a and now He is going to tell us the events that will take place after the Tribulation is over.

I will now quote Jesus and you see if you agree that Jesus is announcing what will take place after the Tribulation of those days. Then we will discuss what those events are.

MATTHEW 24:29a
V: 29a “Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

Ok, we are in agreement after verse 29a Jesus is now going to tell us what is going to take place after the Tribulation of those days or what will take place at the end of the seven-year Tribulation.

Let's talk about verse 30 first and then we will read what it says.
Q-Would you agree that verse 30 comes after verse 29?

If your answer to my obvious question was yes then may I say we are still in agreement and that whatever is said in verse 30 takes place after the Tribulation of those days, agreed?

HEADS UP, AN IMPORTANT POINT IS ABOUT TO BE MADE
Verse 30 is the verse that most believe is describing the Rapture and this verse is why most Christians believe no one knows the day nor the hour.

If Jesus is talking about the Rapture in verse 30 then there is only one question to be asked that will settle the debate that it's either no one knows the day nor the hour of when the Rapture will take place or it will reveal that Jesus was talking about His Second Coming when He said, "No one knows the day nor the hour.

ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION?

HERE IS THE BIG QUESTION THAT EXPOSES ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIES OF THE DEVIL, THAT NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE.

AGAIN, THE FOLLOWING IS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED to discover whether Jesus was talking about the Rapture when He said, no one knows the day nor the hour or was He talking about His Second Coming when He said no one knows the day nor the hour?

HERE IS THE QUESTION
Q-If Jesus is describing the Rapture in verse thirty then who sees Jesus' arrival, the Saints or the world?

Let's come into agreement once again. If it's the Saints that see Jesus's arrival in verse 30 then it's the Rapture that no one can know the day nor the hour, but if it's the entire world that sees Jesus's arrival then it's the Second coming that no one can know the day or the hour, agreed?

OK LETS SEE WHO SEES JESUS ARRIVAL THE SAINTS OR THE ENTIRE WORLD

MATTHEW 24:30
V: 30 " “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Confirmed, it's the entire world that sees Jesus's arrival so there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that when Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour He was talking about His Second Coming not the Rapture.

After verse 30 Jesus goes on to tell us what events will take place that will lead up to His Second Coming.

And now you know when Jesus said in verse 36 that no one knows the day nor the hour He was referring to His Second Coming not the Rapture.
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

WARNING HUGE REVELATION AHEAD
I want to make a quick correction that is found in verse 31 that has been offered as proof by the Feast of Trumpets folk that Jesus was talking about the Rapture when He said no one knows the day nor the hour. First I will quote verse 31 and then I will comment.

MATTHEW 24:31
V: 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Verse 31 has been the main reason that Christians for a hundred and fifty years have believed that Jesus was talking about the Rapture when He said no one knows the day nor the hour, it's because they see a rapture taking place.

Because we have discovered that all the events that take place after Matthew 24 verse 29a take place after the Tribulation of those days, we know for a certainty that verse 31 is one of those events that take place after the tribulation of those days.

Therefore, all those who are being gathered at the end of the Tribulation are the surviving elect believers in Christ.

Jesus confirms what I just told you in Matthew 13.

JESUS SPEAKING ABOUT ANOTHER HARVEST AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION OR THE END OF THE AGE
MATTHEW 13:37-39
37 He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.

38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,

39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
It is crystal clear, the harvesters are the angels and another Harvest will take place at the end of the age or the end of the seven-year tribulation.

CONCLUSION
Now that we know for a certainty that when Jesus said, "No one knows the day nor the hour'' He was referring to His Second Coming not the Rapture we can now take a serious hard look at the timeline for the Rapture that Jesus gives us in Matthew 24.

The timeline for the Rapture has been revealed by the Father for such a time as this.

The Father showed me all the prophets in the bible that knew the timeline for the Rapture and they all have one thing in common, they all arrived at the same timeline for the Rapture that Jesus gave us in Matthew 24.

The Father wants this correction of this major false teaching to be made known to His people. The Father wants His people to know when the Rapture will take place so that they will be watching and waiting to greet His Son Yeshua the moment He arrives.

Once the evidence for the timeline for the Rapture has been presented two huge false doctrines will have been completely laid bare and exposed. The first to go will be the "No one knows the day nor the hour when the Rapture will take place and the second false doctrine that will be gone forever will be the Feast of Trumpets Rapture theory.

Watch for the soon arrival of the message from the Father titled, "JESUS TOLD US THE TIMELINE FOR THE RAPTURE IN MATTHEW 24".

If you have any questions or concerns please let me know.

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JESUS TOLD US EXACTLY WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE IN MATTHEW 24

In the very chapter where we have been taught that no one knows the day nor the hour when the Rapture will take place we find Jesus telling us when the Rapture will take place.

SEE IF YOU AGREE,

Today I am going to show you three of these prophets who knew exactly when the RAPTURE will take place.

While the disciples asked Jesus what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world Jesus answered them by giving them general signs of His Coming that didn’t include a timeline for when they will take place but were meant to serve as signs and a warning of what will take place leading up to His Second Coming.

Hidden in Jesus's description of His Second Coming is the revealing of exactly when the Rapture will take place.

STAY WITH ME,

Do you remember the two questions Jesus’s disciples asked?

Q-The disciples asked Jesus what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world.

So, we know that the disciples didn't ask Jesus when the Rapture will take place because when they asked Jesus what the sign of His coming would be and they attached another question, "and of the end of the world".So, many Christians believe all of Matthew 24 is about Jesus giving us signs of His Second Coming. While others believe Jesus was describing the signs that will take place just before the Rapture and that Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour. Who's right, let's find out.

For the record there is a rapture taking place in Matthew 24, but it is not the Rapture of the saints, rather it is the removal of the weeds from off the earth by the angels mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 13 at the end of the age that I wrote about in my last message.

NOW FOR THE SECRET SIGN JESUS GAVE US IN MATTHEW 24 FOR THE TIMELINE FOR THE RAPTURE

As you will soon discover the following major sign is not given by Jesus as a sign for His Second Coming at the end of the seven-year tribulation because this event or sign takes place three and a half years earlier at the halfway point in the Tribulation.

JESUS SPEAKING

Matthew 24:15
15" So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—

Q-Where Jesus states, "Let the reader understand, understand what exactly?

A-When Jesus gave us the sign of when the Rapture will take place He referred us to the prophet Daniel. The reason Jesus referred us to the prophet Daniel is because Daniel tells us exactly when the Abomination that causes desolation will take place which reveals exactly when the Rapture will take place.

PLEASE HANG IN THERE

Find the timeline for when the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION takes place and we get the timeline for the Rapture too because this is the secret sign that Jesus gave us to watch for when the Rapture will take place. We know this to be true because the Abomination of Desolation is not the sign of His Second Coming so why would Jesus give us this major sign that is not describing His Second Coming?

Let's now take a look in the past that reveals the future when Jesus will make His appearance at the Rapture.

Let us now read the sign Jesus referred to in the book of Daniel and discover the timeline of the Rapture that Jesus secretly gave to this last generation that will experience the Rapture.

DANIEL 9:27
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offerings. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Q- Who will confirm a covenant with many for one seven or seven years?
A-The Antichrist will confirm a covenant with many for seven years.

This is where Daniel tells us exactly when the Rapture will take place and this is the sign that Jesus gave us to watch for His arrival at the Rapture.


THE FOLLOWING IS JESUS GIVING US THE SIGN OF THE RAPTURE NOT HIS SECOND COMING

JESUS SPEAKING
"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel"

There is Jesus's timeline for the Rapture found in Daniel 9:27.

According to the prophet Daniel the Abomination that causes desolation takes place in the middle of the seven-year Tribulation. Therefore the Rapture takes place, when we see the Antichrist commit the Abomination that causes desolation. And we have discovered from the prophet Daniel that this event will take place at the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation.

HUGE CONFIRMATION THAT JESUS REALLY DID GIVE US THE TIMELINE FOR THE RAPTURE BY PAUL THE APOSTLE

Paul is our third prophet that also knew exactly when the Rapture will take place.

PAUL SPEAKING ABOUT THE EXACT DAY WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE.

2 Thessalonians 2
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Paul says the Rapture will take place only when we see AC sitting in the Temple of God proclaiming himself as God.

And we have learned from the prophet Daniel that this event will take place at the exact middle of the seven-year Tribulation.

And Jesus secretly gave us the sign of when He will arrive at the Rapture by referring us to the prophet Daniel.

Q-Did you notice that Paul acquainted our being gathered together to meet the Lord on the Day of the Lord?

CONFIRMATION GIVEN BY PAUL THAT THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE SAME DAY AS WHEN THE DAY OF THE LORD COMMENCES.
Paul confirms that the Rapture will take place on the Day of the Lord in 1 Corinthians 5:5

Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

Now let’s look at another bible version of 1 Corinthians 5:5 that reveals what Paul is really saying.

New Living Translation
1 Corinthians 5:5
Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns.

In other words Paul is saying we will be saved on Resurrection day which will take place on the Day of the Lord which is the day when the Lord returns. You know how it works, The Resurrection then the Rapture takes place in a twinkling of an eye.

Again, Paul gives us the timeline for the Rapture and it’s the same timeline that Jesus gave us when He referred us to the prophet Daniel that is found in Daniel 9:27. All three prophets are in agreement of when the Rapture will take place.

Paul says, only when we see the Antichrist sitting in the Temple proclaiming himself as God can we expect to be gathered together to meet the Lord Jesus at the Rapture. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

Daniel states that this event will take place halfway through the seven-year peace treaty or at the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation.

LAST QUESTION THAT ONCE AGAIN REVEALS THE TIMELINE FOR THE RAPTURE

Paul says our being gathered together to meet the Lord will take place on the Day of the Lord.

Q-When will the Day of the Lord commence?

A-Find when the Day of the Lord commences and you get the Rapture too because Paul says our gathering together to meet the Lord will take place on the Day of the Lord.

WHAT IS THE DAY OF THE LORD AND WHEN WILL THIS EVENT TAKE PLACE?

Zephaniah 1:14-18
Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
A day of wrath is that day,

The Day of the Lord is known throughout the bible as the time of God’s Wrath or the Day when God’s Wrath will begin.

Find where in the bible when God’s Wrath commences and you get the Day of the Lord too because they are one in the same.

Find where in the bible when God’s Wrath commences and you get the Rapture too because Paul states the Rapture will take place on the Day of the Lord or on the Day when God’s Wrath begins.

Revelation chapter 11 verse 18 is the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation and look at what event is taking place.

REVELATION 11:18
V:18 “THE WORLD WAS ANGRY AND YOUR WRATH HAS COME”

There it is the Wrath of God or the Day of the Lord taking place at the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation.

CONCLUSION:
-In Matthew 24 Jesus refers us to the prophet Daniel, when telling us when the Rapture will take place, who in turn tells us that the Antichrist will commit the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the seven-year Tribulation.

-Paul tells us we will be gathered to meet Jesus when we see the Antichrist sit in the Temple on the Day of the Lord.

-Paul tells us that the Antichrist will sit in the Temple and proclaim himself as God and Daniel tells us that the Antichrist will commit this Abomination of Desolation at the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation.

Jesus, Daniel, and Paul all knew exactly when the RAPTURE would take place and there is proof that we can know when the Rapture will take place.

Again, notice how all three prophets are consistently in agreement of when the Rapture will take place and so are all the other prophets in the bible that I will reveal to you in up and coming messages of when the Rapture will take place.

TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOR GREAT THINGS HE HAS TAUGHT US, GREAT THINGS HE HAS DONE!

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WARNING BRETHREN:

Don't believe these two clowns above that think God told them the 'date' when the rapture will take place. They don't know any more than a man in the moon!

No one knows the day or the hour of Christ's future coming, according to Lord Jesus.

We can... know the events and order leading up... to Lord Jesus' future return and gathering of His faithful saints though, just not the day nor the hour.

The Signs that Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are the Seals of Revelation 6 which He gave His faithful Church. Study them, know them by heart, and then you will be 'watching' like He commanded us.
 

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WARNING BRETHREN:

Don't believe these two clowns above that think God told them the 'date' when the rapture will take place. They don't know any more than a man in the moon!

No one knows the day or the hour of Christ's future coming, according to Lord Jesus.

We can... know the events and order leading up... to Lord Jesus' future return and gathering of His faithful saints though, just not the day nor the hour.

The Signs that Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are the Seals of Revelation 6 which He gave His faithful Church. Study them, know them by heart, and then you will be 'watching' like He commanded us.
May I remind you that the house rules state that there will be no name calling aloud.

This is a good rule that helps to keep the peace and to keep people objective when presenting what they believe is true rather than responding emotionally by reverting to name calling.
 

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It is a prerequisite that everyone first completely understand that, the "no one knows the day nor the hour doctrine" is a lie of the Devil so that no one will ever look for when our Lord Jesus will make His appearance at the Rapture.


The following scripture are regarding the mystery (secret). If, as Eph 3:9 states it was hid in God and not fully revealed until Paul received it by revelation from Jesus Christ, It…. (in essence) did not exist in our realm until God revealed it. If it did not exist... how could there be any mention of it …via OT prophecy or gospel prophecy…even in a cryptic way.

The angels and the prophets could see something between the suffering and the glory, but it was not brought into fruition until God determined it to be so. 1Pe 1:10-12

Since the culmination of the administration of Grace… is the rapture, it was also hidden. God has disclosed to us the information we need to know about the rapture. And while it is understandable why God has given timeline events in Revelation….. But if He gave a timeline to the rapture that would prove to be totally unproductive and detrimental to the movement of His Word and the building of one body of Christ.



Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ ↓
3:5, Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the dispensation (administration) of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things.



Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,



Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints.



1Pe 1:10
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.



1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
 

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Hello Davy,
You said "Don't believe these two clowns above that think God told them the 'date' when the rapture will take place. They don't know any more than a man in the moon"!

You are calling the Holy Spirit a Clown?
 

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INTRO/ JESUS GAVE US THE TIMELINE FOR THE RAPTURE
You mean like this?:

In my own Bible study (18 months) of God's Great Grace Departure (aka rapture)
From 17 Parts, this is (3b):
Three "Ages" Rightly Divided (Rule #2 of BSR) = God's Timelines!

---- Ages past --------- ===== ("But Now!") ===== --------- Ages To Come
earthly (physical) ---- ===== heavenly (spiritual) ==== ------ back to the earth
Prophecy ------- ==== ([Secret] Mystery Revealed) ==== --- Prophecy (cont'd)

Good News of ------- === Greatest News of === ------- The Everlasting Gospel
The Kingdom ----- === Amazing Grace of God === ----------- of The Kingdom

--------------------------- === [ “The Faith” ]
Gen – Acts 1-8 -- == ( Acts 9 – [ Romans - Philemon # ] ) === ------- Heb – Rev
{ LAW - ( transition period ) - Amazing Grace! } === ------------------- NT cont'd?:

God's Prophetic Program (Context) Ages Past! –
“earthly” Under LAW, preaching "gospel of the kingdom":

Jesus as Humble Servant - to the Jews Only - to Suffer/Die/Rise -
12 apostles - ** Warnings = Great Tribulation / angels / Trumpets
/ Second Coming ** (Matthew 24:27-31)

(so-called) “Great” Commission - Kingdom offered / rejected =
Israel “fell,” blaspheming The Holy Ghost – Thus Israel Cannot
Be A Blessing to the world {until the future}, and:

The Scripture “Now Concludes All Jews with” Gentiles, Under Sin
and Guilty Before A Holy And Just God, And, God In Mercy And Grace
Saves His Other apostle [ Paul, “born out of due time,” to preach
The Gospel Of Grace! ]...
►►
{ God's Voice (1st 'Trump') "Opening!" The Current Age Of Grace! =
JESUS, From Heaven, Said: "Saul, Saul, Why persecutest thou Me?"
(Acts 9:4 KJB!) } ◄◄

...And, to Paul, our Grace apostle, “Reveals to him His Hidden”
Secret, for:
============================================
God's Revelation Of The Mystery ( While
placing HIS Law/Prophetic
Program "On HOLD!" ):

(( "But Now!" = Time Present = heavenly, Under GRACE:

The LORD JESUS CHRIST = At Right Hand Of God, Risen/Glorified Head

of The Church Seated In Heaven = “Spiritual Organism” = His Body -

One [ Both Hebrew/Roman ] “apostle to the Gentiles, representing
Reconciliation By The
BLOOD Of The CROSS of Jew/Gentile [ two ]
Into His One “New-Joint Creation,” The One Body of CHRIST -
By One [ Divine ] "Spiritual Baptism" - All found in:

One “Faith + practice” Doctrine [ Romans – Philemon # ]
- And,
Now, IF we may prayerfully/carefully Consider this Closing!:

"Closing!" The Current “Age of Grace,” By One Prophetic Doctrine Of:


Great Grace Resurrection/Departure! (aka rapture)​

►► { Note }: This Is "Voice" { Not "trumpet" } ( Note The First "Voice"
above ) **At "The Last Trump ( Of God )" For This Church Age**
( 1 Thessalonians 4:16 cp Acts 9:4! ) { God's Wonderful Voice Calling:

"My Church, Come Up Hither!" }? ◄◄

[0 {Zero} “signs” = “Imminent”] Resurrection/Departure Of Body
Of CHRIST! to heaven for The Judgment Seat of CHRIST ))
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15!)

Precious friend(s), Are you prepared?
==
This Resurrection/Departure,
of course, Is God “Recalling His
ambassadors” Before Declaring War on the wicked in:
-------------------------
Ages To Come! -

God's "Prophetic" Program { Which Was On Hold During Grace! }
- Continued:

The Wicked one (man of sin, son of Perdition) Revealed -
one-world peace/First half? TOJT

►► Mid-TOJT Departures!: 2 witnesses Resurrected/Raptured
(Rev 11:1-13)
+
144,000 witnesses "redeemed from earth" And Then Found in
"heaven" (Rev 7:1-8; 13:18 -- 14:1-5) ◄◄

...Second Half: Time of Jacob's (Israel's) Trouble (Great Tribulation) -

Armageddon War - **After the last trumpet (of an ANGEL!)
immediately After Great Tribulation**
(Revelation 8:6, 11:15, 15:1, 16:1 cp Matthew 24:27-31)

2nd Coming with (4) “signs” of KING (of kings) JESUS CHRIST -

“smite the nations” + Kingdom [David's throne] Established –

{Another trumpet!} Judge the nations + 12 thrones for 12 apostles
over the 12 Tribes of Israel – Millennial Reign – Last Rebellion
Squelched – Final Judgment – New Heavens/Earth – Eternity
-----------------------------
Precious friend(s):

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
!
-----------------
# Romans – Philemon {KJB!} = God's Grace/Peace Love Letters Directly To/For us Today, For:

Consolation, Comfort, Edification, Enjoyment, Encouragement, And spiritual Building Up Of
All The
BLOOD-Washed "members ( saints!" ) In The Body Of CHRIST!, HIS Church, Seated
In Heaven!
{Start here, but remember: "All Scripture Is Profitable For learning!"} Amen?
 
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INTRO/ JESUS GAVE US THE TIMELINE FOR THE RAPTURE

This may shock you as it did me, but there are many prophets in the bible that knew the timeline for the Rapture and Jesus was one of them.

All these prophets have one thing in common, they all received the same timeline for the Rapture as Yeshua gave.

The Father told me when the Rapture will take place so all I did to find out when the Great Tribulation will commence is count backwards three and a half years from the day God's Two Witnesses go up to Heaven. When God’s Two Witnesses go up so too will all who have died in Christ, this is the First Resurrection taking place. Find the First Resurrection and you get the Rapture too because they take place back to back.

If I am right the Seven-Year Tribulation will start around Passover 2023.


Once you discover the timeline for the Rapture, you will be able to find it everywhere throughout the bible.

I will post the revelation of Jesus revealing the timeline for the Rapture in Matthew 24 next.

Yeshua appeared in my bedroom while in prayer and gave me the timeline for the Rapture in just one verse of the bible. I think I will share that message second.

Don't believe them anymore when they say no one knows because it was Jesus Himself who revealed when the Rapture will take place in the soon to be posted message not me.

The more you know your bible the more you will understand that Jesus really did reveal the timeline for the Rapture.
If you don't know your bible you may not get it.

For those who don't know the word of God I suggest you read and reread the message over and over while praying that the Holy Spirit will help you understand.

If you are having a hard time letting go of the lie that Jesus said, "no one knows the day nor the hour for when the Rapture will take place watch this video.


This video will offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that when Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour He was talking about His Second Coming not the Rapture.

I may be wrong about many things but please don't quote Jesus out of context by saying, "No one knows the day nor the hour."
Watch the video and you will see that Jesus never said, "No one knows the day nor the hour of the Rapture."

I really should redo this video because I made a few mistakes and I have so much more clarity on this topic now.
But as we continue to discus this topic it will be clear to all that Jesus really did give this last generation that will go up in the Rapture the timeline.

You will soon see what the Father told me about His Son Yeshua's arrival at the Rapture.

We will soon see that Yeshua even told us what Jewish Feast day He will appear on at the Rapture.

The Father revealed to me exactly when Joel's blood-red-moon will take place. Get Joel's blood-red-moon and you get the Day of the Lord which also known throughout the bible as the Wrath of God. When you discover when God's Wrath commences you also get the time for when we will no longer be on this earth. For the bible states we are not appointed to God's Wrath.

You will be shocked that the very hour of the Rapture Israel time is found in the bible.

We will discover that the very date of the Rapture means Rapture in Strong's.

I was in Israel for the last full-blood-red-super moon on Sept-23-15. I boarded my plane home and said to the Lord, "Nothing happened"
Yeshua told me that the last full-blood-red- super moon was a sign, a warning and a dress rehearsal for the very day when the Rapture will take place.

By the way the 2017 sign in the Heavens was the official sign and countdown to Rapture. I will show you what the Lord showed me in one of my messages.

I remind everyone to follow house rules and let us be courteous and respectful at all times or I will be gone before you can say, bobs your uncle.



FALSE TEACHING OF NO ONE CAN KNOW WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE EXPOSED


Eliyahoo
The main problem w/ this is that the GT is "not" the last 3 1/2 yrs. of the 70th week nor is it wrath upon the world and you won't find a scripture that says it is. The GT is upon the church and will start towards the beginning of the 70th week before the 5th seal.
 

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There can be nothing in the gospels or Old Testament prophecy that give reference to the rapture…. since the entire administration of grace (which includes the rapture) was a mystery (secret) ….and not fully revealed until after Pentecost.
Hi Tommy,

I changed my mind, I think I will stick around because I need the exercise in refining what the Father has told me about His Son Yashua's arrival at the Rapture. I was just having a bad hair day while overreacting in my brief moment of futility.

If I understand you correctly, you believe that there can't be any reference to the Rapture in the Old Testament.

Three times Daniel the prophet told us exactly when the Rapture will take place but you have to be like a spiritual detective and dig around a little because Daniel never uses our modern word Rapture when he describes the Rapture.

The major clue that indicates that Daniel knew when the Rapture will take place is when he said, "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."

Again, notice that Daniel never mentions the word Rapture but he states that Multitudes who sleep will awake to everlasting life, meaning of course he is pinpointing when the First Resurrection will take place. Find when the First Resurrection takes place and you get the Rapture too because these two events take place back to back, you know, "The dead in Christ will rise first. Then, we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

DANIEL 12 AND REVELATION 12 ARE BEST FRIENDS BECAUSE Daniel 12 tells us that Multitudes who sleep will awake to everlasting life and Revelation 12 tells us when this event will take place.

NOW LET'S BREAK DOWN DOWN THESE TWO CHAPTERS TO DISCOVER WHEN THE RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE

LET'S TALK ABOUT DANIEL 12 FIRST AND THEN LET'S COMPARE WHAT WE DISCOVER IN REVELATION 12.
Daniel 12:1
V: 1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

Daniel 12:2a
V:2 a Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life.
Tommy,
All we have to do to discover when the Rapture will take place according to the prophet Daniel is find exactly when Michael the great Prince stands up to protect God's people Israel. Find when Michael arises and you get Daniel's timeline for the First Resurrection. Find the First Resurrection and we get the timeline for the Rapture too because once again these two events take place back to back.

NOW LET US COMPARE DANIEL 12 WITH REVELATION 12 AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND THE TIME WHEN MICHAEL THE GREAT PRINCE WILL ARISE TO PROTECT GOD'S PEOPLE ISRAEL.

Let's now go to Revelation 12, which is another layer of the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation to have another look at what the very day of the Rapture will look like.

REVELATION 12:7-8
V: 7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

There is what Daniel was referring to when He said Michael will stand up or arise to protect Israel and look this event is once again taking place at the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation.

NOW LOOK AT WHAT ELSE IT IS TIME FOR AT THE EXACT HALFWAY POINT IN THE SEVEN-YEAR TRIBULATON

REVELATION 12:13-14
V:13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times, and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

Times, times, and a half a time is the last three and a half years of the Tribulation which according to Revelation 11:18 is known as the Wrath of God.
REVELATION 11:18
V:18 The world was angry and your Wrath has come.

The Wrath of God is also known throughout the bible as the Day of the Lord or when the Wrath of God will commence.

Q- How do we know for certain that Revelation 12 is the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation?
A-We know that Revelation 12 is a description of another layer of the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation because it describes that this is the time when salvation and the power of the Kingdom of our God and the authority of the Messiah has come.

REVELATION 12:10
V:10 “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah."

Now if we go to Revelation 11 we find the very same events taking place where Jesus is once again taking His authority and the Kingdom with power and it also states that this is the time when salvation will take place.

REVELATION 11
The Seventh Trumpet
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Now, let's read verse 17-18 that reveals that this is the time when the Rapture will take place.

REVELATION 11:17-18
V:17 “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. 18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—

Q-How can God reward all of His people unless all of His people are now in Heaven at the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation?

LET'S DO THIS ONE LAST TIME

Q- How do we know for certain that Revelation 11 is the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation?

A- We know that Revelation 11 is the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation because God's Two Witnesses are appointed by God to prophecy for three and a half years. They begin their ministry at the beginning of the seven-year Tribulation and their ministry ends when they are killed by the beast that comes up from the abyss and they raise back to life at Revelation 11:11, which is the exact halfway point in the seven-year Tribulation and when they rise back to life so too will all who have died in Christ, this is the First Resurrection taking place and then the Rapture will follow immediately.

There is proof that the prophet Daniel knew when the Rapture will take place.

LET US GIVE THANKS FOR THE GREAT THINGS THAT OUR FATHER HAS TAUGHT US AND THE GREAT THINGS HE HAS DONE


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May I remind you that the house rules state that there will be no name calling aloud.

This is a good rule that helps to keep the peace and to keep people objective when presenting what they believe is true rather than responding emotionally by reverting to name calling.
Sorry for spouting that out, but I actually have worse names for those who 'blatantly slander The Word of God as written, especially Christ's Own Words'...

Matt 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
KJV

Matt 24:42
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
KJV

Matt 24:44
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
KJV



NO man knows the day, nor the hour, of Christ's future return, period.
 
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Hello Davy,
You said "Don't believe these two clowns above that think God told them the 'date' when the rapture will take place. They don't know any more than a man in the moon"!

You are calling the Holy Spirit a Clown?
I'm calling 'another spirit' that goes AGAINST WHAT LORD JESUS SAID a clown.

In Matthew 24, Lord Jesus said NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY NOR HOUR OF HIS COMING, period.

That means those who try to set DATES FOR HIS COMING are tuned to ANOTHER SPIRIT, like clowns.
 

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I'm calling 'another spirit' that goes AGAINST WHAT LORD JESUS SAID a clown.

In Matthew 24, Lord Jesus said NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY NOR HOUR OF HIS COMING, period.

That means those who try to set a DATE FOR HIS COMING are tuned to ANOTHER SPIRIT, like clowns.
 

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Sorry for spouting that out, but I actually have worse names for those who 'blatantly slander The Word of God as written, especially Christ's Own Words'...

Matt 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
KJV

Matt 24:42
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
KJV

Matt 24:44
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
KJV



NO man knows the day, nor the hour, of Christ's future return, period.
Hi Davy,
I know that you are sincere is what you say and you love the Lord.

But if you will just give my messages a chance to prove that what I am saying from the bible is true you might like me change your mind on the matter.

May I suggest that you do what I do now all the time.

Take another look at the truth that is in your hand and only consider that it may not be true.

Have you ever thought you were right only to find out that you were dead wrong about something? Welcome to the human race.

My position is the Devil has pulled the rug over our eyes so that we will believe his lie that Jesus Himself said no one knows the day nor the hour when the Rapture will take place. When Jesus said no one knows the day nor the hour He was clearly talking about His Second Coming not the Rapture. How can one catch their plane if they don't know when their plane will leave? And how can we truly watch for our Lord's arrival if no one knows when He will arrive?

The Devil doesn't want anyone watching and waiting for our Lord's arrival at the Rapture because it's the very day that God's Wrath will commence and he doesn't want you to know that either. The Devil and all of His fallen angels will be cast to the earth once the Rapture takes place and God's people are off the earth. God's people need to know when these events will take place so that we will not be caught unaware.

DO YOU REMEMBER THIS SCRIPTURE
1 Thessalonians 5:4-8
King James Version
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Please be completely objective without preconceived ideas and watch my video where I prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jesus never once said no one knows when the Rapture will take place. And while you're at it read my messages where I show many prophets telling us exactly when the Rapture will take place and they all have one thing in common, they all got the same timeframe for the Rapture as I showed Jesus gave in Matthew 24.

Please Just start reading about all the prophets that knew when the Rapture will take place and see if you agree.



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I was glancing over a few of your you tube things, and it seems that you have set dates for things before.Looks like you based some stuff that is contingent upon trump returning to power.

The Bible speaks of the Second Coming as a visible audible event.

1 Thess 4"15-18 " 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words."
Rev 1:7 "
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen"

No rapture, Jesus will come a second time.

Who was the we Paul was addressing when he says "we who are alive and remain" ? Surely if he believed in a rapture, he wouldn't have included himself and those like him to have to hang around here to the Second coming. Paul is addressing other Christians, including us. That makes no sense if we were to be carried off earlier.